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[QUOTE=Anonymousmc;2580566]I really would appreciate a story where Africans and African-Americans were celebrated. Part of the problem IMO is what Priest said about most of these major companies only having -insert person of color- writers writing -insert person of color- characters. Funny how that works though, because Bendis (who has yet to write Miles as a true Afro-Borikua or the bring up the concept of cultural assimilation within "ethnic" communities) has been the main writer of Miles Morales for a very long time. I digress tho.[/QUOTE]
Shockingly in his own round about blink and you'll miss it way Bendis has touched on sensitive racial topics, sadly most of it was during the CWII tie ins so most missed it
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2580565]3 lol.
Got an award based on 3/5 of a story
Awards are pointless[/QUOTE]
I think winning awards is a secondardy consideration, but I wouldln't agree it's pointless.
If anything I think getting a bit of publicity by showcasing greater diversity both in their characters and their creative teams is probably one of marvels/disneys goals, and they suceeded in that.
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It was the main book, that won a nomination for an award for its outstanding depiction of LGBT characters not WOW. Personally I thought Aneka and Ayo were depicted excellently and it deserves praise. No matter where yiu stand on Coates's run GLAAD is worthwhile organization that has done good thibgs for tge LGBT community. I think its a little callous to say the nomination is worthless and trash.
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[QUOTE=UltimateTy;2580998]Its the main book that got nominated not WOW
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Ok cool.
I could see that then. Cool beans for the mythos
Kind of sad for the comic community as a whole that its so noteworthy having 2 non male fan service lesbians in a book is considered such an achievement. Long way to go in the entertainment world.
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Any of the asian fans in here... extra's needed!
[spoil]Meanwhile, Black Panther (which is also being shot in Atlanta) is searching for Asian men and women from 25-85 to portray upscale guests, a bartender, card dealers and a hostess "at a very nice event." With parts of the movie shooting in South Korea, chances are this has something to do with that. [/spoil]
The name's Bond... T'chadwick Bond
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[QUOTE=dreyga2000;2581203]It was the main book, that won a nomination for an award for its outstanding depiction of LGBT characters not WOW. Personally I thought Aneka and Ayo were depicted excellently and it deserves praise. No matter where yiu stand on Coates's run GLAAD is worthwhile organization that has done good thibgs for tge LGBT community. I think its a little callous to say the nomination is worthless and trash.[/QUOTE]
An many others such as myself would disagree or don't care.. The joys of having different opinions...
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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;2581129]Shockingly in his own round about blink and you'll miss it way Bendis has touched on sensitive racial topics, sadly most of it was during the CWII tie ins so most missed it[/QUOTE]
It felt like he was going to go into it deeply and then...
just kinda stopped. Bendis gonan Bendis.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2581319]Ok cool.
I could see that then. Cool beans for the mythos
Kind of sad for the comic community as a whole that its so noteworthy having 2 non male fan service lesbians in a book is considered such an achievement. Long way to go in the entertainment world.[/QUOTE]
I think that's essentially why the book is getting the recognition in this regard. There is a long way to go, and the mere fact that Coates is even making an effort in this regard is deserving of praise at least in the eyes of the GLAAD organization and perhaps the community as a whole. And of course readers can be split over whether or not there's any worth to that, but I'll wager marvel at least is happy about it. Again, I think that was one of their intended goals and I think they're achieving it.
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[QUOTE=dreyga2000;2581203]It was the main book, that won a nomination for an award for its outstanding depiction of LGBT characters not WOW. Personally I thought Aneka and Ayo were depicted excellently and it deserves praise. No matter where yiu stand on Coates's run GLAAD is worthwhile organization that has done good thibgs for tge LGBT community. I think its a little callous to say the nomination is worthless and trash.[/QUOTE]
[B]Cool that it got Nominated. You know what of been even cooler? If Coates has gotten the nomination without having to trash T'challa, Wakandan Men in general, and the mythos as a whole to do so. Basically to get the point across, he had to change the mythos to fit his agenda, Men are evil or Inept, Wakanda, when faced with some "defeats", (in which every single one of those attacks had on panel showings of Wakanda coming back stronger then ever) The African nation of Wakanda will dismantle into a stereotypical 3rd world country Boko Haram version of Africa. Nevermind the fact that 10k years has not only allowed Wakanda to advance technologically, but Spiritually as well, but the only answer is to turn to western views (as well as western literature) for the answers to their problems.
See, if the only way a writer can make their story work, is to pick and choose what part of continuity they want to acknowledge, and ignore the other huge aspects of the mythos, then its a problem.
So congratulations to Coates on the nomination, He just had to take an axe and false narratives to the mythos to do so while perpetuating Black Dysfunction, a Black men vs Black women, tearing one down to prop the other up. [/B]
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2580472][SIZE=3]
That would apply to writers of most serially presented comic book characters.
However, I would argue that some writers have also recieved more love than hate just based off of their worthy contributions to the BP mythos.
In this regard pre-X-men Jason Aaron definitely falls into this character just off of the strength of [B]See Wakanda And Die.[/B][/SIZE]
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I wasn't aware of Priest being hated for anything other than portraying T'Challa as the uber prep master that Lee & Kirby created him to be all the way back in 1966.[/SIZE]
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It's worth noting that the retcons some of these supposed "fans" took issue with revolved around the fact that Hudlin refused to write T'Challa as a bungling idiot perrenially unsure of himself.
By portraying the Wakandan civilization as one that had endured for 10,000 unconquered years, Hudlin fell afoul of the cardinal sin of writing African folks as winners as opposed to losers with their hands out begging for foreign aid.
Under those circumstances, forgive me for paying ZERO mind to such "fans" who only seem comfortable when T'Challa is portrayed in a sub-par manner.[/SIZE]
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It all depends on what you're referring to as being alternative facts?[/SIZE]
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You're of course entitled to your opinion but I fail to see how portraying T'Challa as a bungling idiot more clueless than Stacy Dash, and Wakanda as a lawless haven for misogyny, Rape Camps and an aloof and oblivious Monarchy constitutes as anything modern.
The Wakanda that Jack Kirby and Stan Lee envisioned was light years ahead of the rest of the Marvel Universe as a result of having never been conquered, enslaved or despoiled by Western powers.
This enabled Wakanda to develop in isolation from the rest of the world with their cultural, social and spiritual identity intact and untainted by outside influences.
You speak of changing roles of superhero Kings changing while failing to highlight what was supposedly wrong with how these kings were portrayed previously.
All of the problems Coates foisted upon T'Challa's shoulders from the very first issue of his BP run, were based on a totally false narrative and in essence flew in the face of T'Challa's characterization under Christopher Priest, Reginald Hudlin, Dwayne McDuffie and David Liss's pens respectively.
All of the previous writers showed how much T'Challa loved his fellow Wakandans but all of a sudden under Coates pen, T'Challa became this reluctant King unsure of himself and unsteady on his intellectual feet just because the current writer couldn't wrap his head around the character and his mythos.
There's nothing remotely bold or intriguing about trashing a character and his respective mythos just because you lack the imagination to so,ething truly productive.[/SIZE]
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Hudlin's primary objective was to establish T'Challa as a true bad ass ruling a powerful 10,000 year old civilization that was old long before the West discovered their variation on civilization. And unlike Coates, Hudlin recognized the importance on focussing on T'Challa and Ororo as the characters central to the story he wished to tell post the Marriage of the Century.
Hudlin did the same for Shuri when circumstances led to her having to take up the mantle of Black Panther.
Hudlin had the supporting cast members orbitting around the sun of the central titular character which is the way most mainstream stories operate.
It's also worth noting that the Hatut Zeraze didn't even appear or get referenced during Hudlin's run whilst the Dora Milaje well still featured as honored body guards and martial aids to T'Challa during Hudlin's tenure as BP scribe.[/SIZE]
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Subverting aspects of the mythos to justify a intellectually dishonest storyline does not progressive forward momentum ensure.[/SIZE]
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All of the characters you've mentioned here could have been showcased in the [B][I]Black Panther: World Of Wakanda[/I][/B] book but unfortunately, Coates and Gay had other ideas.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
Post of the f****** year. Some one give this guy a medal!
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2581322]Any of the asian fans in here... extra's needed!
[spoil]Meanwhile, Black Panther (which is also being shot in Atlanta) is searching for Asian men and women from 25-85 to portray upscale guests, a bartender, card dealers and a hostess "at a very nice event." With parts of the movie shooting in South Korea, chances are this has something to do with that. [/spoil]
The name's Bond... T'chadwick Bond[/QUOTE]
If only I lived in Atlanta! Sadly, my genetics make me still look like a high schooler lol
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i find it funny that Coates Has Been On Several Talk Shows in recent history and not once has he brought up Black Panther Or Marvel Comics it's always to do with His Journalism Skills and the political happenings of the world
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[QUOTE=Chrysalis_Changling;2581643]i find it funny that Coates Has Been On Several Talk Shows in recent history and not once has he brought up Black Panther Or Marvel Comics it's always to do with His Journalism Skills and the political happenings of the world[/QUOTE]
That is his livelihood though. And that is why people are bringing him on shows. No one that is bringing him on their shows gives a hoot about comics lol. They care about his race stuff.
TBF, promotional wise, Coates was (was) much more active that 99% of the comic writers. He also has avenues to undercover market black panther that writers don't have (The Atlantic).
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2581670]That is his livelihood though. And that is why people are bringing him on shows. No one that is bringing him on their shows gives a hoot about comics lol. They care about his race stuff.
TBF, promotional wise, Coates was (was) much more active that 99% of the comic writers. He also has avenues to undercover market black panther that writers don't have (The Atlantic).[/QUOTE]
it just feels insulting that you have this guy whose writing black panther going on all these shows and getting promoted like that....and he never once draws anything back to marvel
he just comes to ramble about racists and things other people have said a million times already so his presence doesn't change anything
if anything at all it's annoying to just have random angry black man ranting about random political things in the news that we've already had shoved down our throats by other guests
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[QUOTE=Chrysalis_Changling;2581683]it just feels insulting that you have this guy whose writing black panther going on all these shows and getting promoted like that....and he never once draws anything back to marvel
he just comes to ramble about racists and things other people have said a million times already so his presence doesn't change anything
if anything at all it's annoying to just have random angry black man ranting about random political things in the news that we've already had shoved down our throats by other guests[/QUOTE]
Pundit: Hello Mr Coates. How'd did you start writing "My President was Black" and how do you feel about the reception it has garnered?
Coates: It's good. Hey, did you know I write Black Panther? The Midnight Angels are Lit
Pudnit:
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