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[QUOTE=Kasper Cole;2615836]They don't use other characters tech when it's already been established that they have their own. For instance you'll never see Reed Richards talking about using T'Challa's designs for the Quinjet, because Reed already designed the Fantasticar and bunch of other spacecraft, so he doesn't need T'Challa's designs. You also wont see Tony Stark talking about using armor based on the Wakandan Design of T'Challa and Shuri's power armor, because Stark doesn't need it considering he's got thousands of ideas for Iron Man armor.
Priest's run took place LONG before Doomwar, so it doesn't make sense for T'Challa ot be using Doom's nanotech when he already has his own (which was good enough to circumvent Tony's security).[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=XPac;2615776]Same reason he used Doom tech against the Surfer and the same reason people use Dooms time machine I suppose. It's stuff used from better known stories so it's a bit more memorable, and Doom probably has the best stuff. Even Reed regularly will use Doom tech.[/QUOTE]
He used Doom's tech prior to Doom War so that reasoning doesn't fly at all. It's just poor choices by the writer. Using the tech of an enemy when you already have that same tech is ridiculous.
Also, Reed's father invented a time machine years before Doom so there's no need for the FF to use his tech.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2615825]If he's being deliberate then theres no mistake on his part. imo[/QUOTE]
He's deliberately ignoring canon when it comes to Wakanda.
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[QUOTE=Kasper Cole;2615836]They don't use other characters tech when it's already been established that they have their own. For instance you'll never see Reed Richards talking about using T'Challa's designs for the Quinjet, because Reed already designed the Fantasticar and bunch of other spacecraft, so he doesn't need T'Challa's designs. You also wont see Tony Stark talking about using armor based on the Wakandan Design of T'Challa and Shuri's power armor, because Stark doesn't need it considering he's got thousands of ideas for Iron Man armor.
Priest's run took place LONG before Doomwar, so it doesn't make sense for T'Challa ot be using Doom's nanotech when he already has his own (which was good enough to circumvent Tony's security).[/QUOTE]
That was nanites used in wiring and technology... these are nanites effectively turning human beings into cameras. That I presume is something harder to detect, and it's also something from a story which Coates run briefly references.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2615900]He used Doom's tech prior to Doom War so that reasoning doesn't fly at all. It's just poor choices by the writer. Using the tech of an enemy when you already have that same tech is ridiculous.
Also, Reed's father invented a time machine years before Doom so there's no need for the FF to use his tech.[/QUOTE]
I think Stark once used a time machine too... but everyone still regularly uses Dooms iconic platform.
I think Doom is like Apple... his stuff just seems cooler and better.
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To me, the fact that he used Doom's nanites isn't the point. They were a plot device, no more.
The problem is the plan that they were used in is amateurish at best: "I'll let myself get captured, and trick Stane into monologuing. Then I'll broadcast it to the world, and have the Crew break me out."
It's not even new. I've seen the EXACT same trick used elsewhere (perhaps most famously in the final arc of [I]Transmetropolitan[/I]).
And what's worse, it didn't even have much effect on the plot, since the People are still out there and active, and not one person has mentioned the broadcast since.
It feels like the entire scene was crafted merely to give Coates' pet team someone to fight. They left, Stane left, and the plot moved on.
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[QUOTE=Random4;2615361]Well think about it, the most advanced country in the world should probably be the one overlooking the most powerful human
Reed might be the top genius in Marvel (well 2nd cause of Moon Girl now) but he is too irrresponsible and doesn't have the overall power of Wakanda[/QUOTE]
That type of thinking is what leads to Wakanda getting destroyed again in another crossover arc. lol
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2615966]To me, the fact that he used Doom's nanites isn't the point. They were a plot device, no more.
The problem is the plan that they were used in is amateurish at best: "I'll let myself get captured, and trick Stane into monologuing. Then I'll broadcast it to the world, and have the Crew break me out."
It's not even new. I've seen the EXACT same trick used elsewhere (perhaps most famously in the final arc of [I]Transmetropolitan[/I]).
And what's worse, it didn't even have much effect on the plot, since the People are still out there and active, and not one person has mentioned the broadcast since.
It feels like the entire scene was crafted merely to give Coates' pet team someone to fight. They left, Stane left, and the plot moved on.[/QUOTE]
Debuting Coates team probably was the MAIN reason this was done. And PERHAPS the Stane situation will bleed more into Crew when that book starts. He doesn't make a bad big bad for that book if one is needed.
It also gives the book a sub-boss to fight and beat in the middle of the story, since you obviously can't have T'Challa beat the real big bad until the end of the story. Assuming this is broken up in trades, defeating Stane can be the finale of the third trade or whatever.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2615966]To me, the fact that he used Doom's nanites isn't the point. They were a plot device, no more.
The problem is the plan that they were used in is amateurish at best: "I'll let myself get captured, and trick Stane into monologuing. Then I'll broadcast it to the world, and have the Crew break me out."
It's not even new. I've seen the EXACT same trick used elsewhere (perhaps most famously in the final arc of [I]Transmetropolitan[/I]).
And what's worse, it didn't even have much effect on the plot, since the People are still out there and active, and not one person has mentioned the broadcast since.
It feels like the entire scene was crafted merely to give Coates' pet team someone to fight. They left, Stane left, and the plot moved on.[/QUOTE]
And the "Crew" was pretty much overkill when it came to dealing with Stane and co.
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[QUOTE=Kasper Cole;2615595]The nanites thing was a slap in the face considering T'Challa was using nanites back in Priest's run. There was no need for him to be using Doom's old tech, let along for him to be injecting into his body. He could have just had some nanites in his suit or he could have transmitted footage via the lenses in his mask.
That's the type of stuff myself and others are talking about when we say this story has holes in it. It has T'Challa doing downright dumb or in explainable things just to move the story forward. The whole 'He's distracted" thing just doesn't cut it considering we've seen him stay focused in MUCH more dire situations.[/QUOTE]
[B]Yep Coates had to takeaway so much to make his story work its ridicules marvel let him do it
No h2h skills, struggles with goons, no tech, tetu needed time to do the plant dance to capture him.
Lack of superhuman stats, as Coates shows him barely enhanced, more so seems peak human
No prep, gets outsmarted by despots, runs in blindly early on and gets beat by Zenzi and Tetu in back to back issues lets goons punch him in the face. his end game is to rescue Shuri because she must know how to restore Wakanda
No tech, relies on old doom tech, has none of his tech (Daggers would of made quick work of Tetu then and there with how slow his attack manifested) Gives Doom and Maximus praise while tearing himself down for his lack of ability to develop his own tech, to get the job done.
Priests Panther had an inoperatble brain aneurysm and was more formidable, more focused and stronger then Coates Panther.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2615718]That's actually not an uncommon thing for comic book smart guys though. T'Challa used Doom tech to defeat the Surfer in McDuffie's FF book... and pretty much everyone uses Dooms time travel plat form.[/QUOTE]
[B]Wasn't actually a similar desgin to Dooms tech but it was his own? [/B]
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2615987]And the "Crew" was pretty much overkill when it came to dealing with Stane and co.[/QUOTE]
I think Stane's group was out matched but not my much... with some tweaking they potentiall work as a Masters of Evil or Brotherhood to the Crew.
Stane is a credible enough opponent to Iron Man... so he potentially is smart enough and had techy enough to pose a credible opponent to T'Challa.
And Fenris have fought the X-Men in the past. They're credible enough opponents to Storm, provided she doesn't go Omega Storm on her.
Eden and Vanisher effectively serve the same fucntion.
And Misty is just kinda there... provide some random underling goons for her to beat up in the background and she's fine.
I think the team needs a strong guy. It's something the Crew has and Stane doesn't. Throw in someone like Hyde, and they work well enough.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2616021][B]Wasn't actually a similar desgin to Dooms tech but it was his own? [/B][/QUOTE]
He said it's based on technology Doom used.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2614707]With all those Storm fans, 40 should be a shoe in
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Never change lol..
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2614680][B]Yea honestly, I want the ultimates team he was talking about in his interviews, a team where the heavy hitters could cut loose without feeling like its overkill. You have a team full of powerhouses and the leader of the most advanced nation on earth who is a prep master, and you fill the book with lots of monolgues and talking heads, with the occasional fist thrown once every 4 issues? Its such a waste And Ewing should do more of what he is doing in Season 2 (action wise, not the talking heads, its taking away from the story because it drags on) again Mcduffies FF run with t'Challa and storm guest starring had cosmic threats, cosmic theories and action all wrapped into one, and there were things to punch and it was a cool and exciting advuenture. Ewing can do the same if he just does it instead of all. the. constant. talking. [/B][/QUOTE]
Me too, and we know he can do better ( see Mighty & New Avengers)... His editor need to have a sit down.with him or he needs a co writer for Ultimates & maybe for USAA ( while better than Ult has its issues aswell) ..