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[QUOTE=Cville;3542891]Tchalla was my favorite part of the movie.[/QUOTE]
as I've rewatched it I kind of agree. I like how measured he is. He's not this overly emotional dude or a caricature spouting off a bunch of one-liners. He is relaxed and caring around his friends and loved ones but stern and patient when he needs to be.
I can't wait for this to come out on Blue Ray. I need to rewatch the scene where he confront his ancestors a second time. That scene was so powerful.
I think the story really built nicely to the first fight with Killmonger. As T'Challa came full circle and understood what his father and Zuri had done. In a way T'Chala was almost doing for Wakanda's sins. At that point the movie arguably presents Killmonger as justified, especially as he is speaking truth to the elders. Than he goes and beats T'Challa convincingly. It's almost as if T'Chala is dieing for Wakanda's sins at that moment. Zuri dies and a new king is crowned.
However, we see what Killmonger intends to do to the world. He just wants to perpetuate this cycle of war, killing and vengeance. I think that harkens back to the ending of Civil War. Even though Killmonger's intent is positive for Africans in one sense he's also leading everyone down a path of colonization and repeating the mistakes of history all over again. When all is said and done Wakanda would arguably be just as bad as the Europeans, the Spanish or the Romans etc. etc.
When T'Challa is reborn/given his second chance I think it symbolizes the rebirth of Wakanda. We see him talking to M'Baku and the two leaders are able to come to terms. We even see his group of ragtag comrades rally around him against insurmountable odds. It flipped the tone of the movie and was very inspiring.
I loved how T'Challa confronts his ancestors on the spiritual plane. He really calls them out for their mistakes and how they've indirectly allowed the word to become the way that it has. How they helped create Killmonger in the first place. T'Challa knows he must not let this stand. Not just for Wakanda but for the world. Than I think the movie followed up nicely by having Wakanda start taking steps to make the world a better place...... I just wish that last part was real.
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I don't see why coogler couldn't have given T'Challa better lines at least. Killmonger got his fairytale line and his last line and much more. Okoye got the guns are primitive and when she wants too lines. Shuri and m'baku get their quibs and even n'jobu who's only in it for a short time got his no tears for me line. You wouldn't think it would be hard to give the main character some good and memorable dialogue yet he spends most of the movie listening to people and not saying anything half as interesting as the rest of the cast. He doesn't even have good action scenes to fall back on. You know they botched a character when "we're vegetarians" and "are you done?" is all it took to overshadow him.
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I think Black Panther is probably the most enlightened superhero since Ironman in 2008. Tony is this the unbelievably wealthy playboy who also happens to be a genius inventor somehow seemingly oblivious to the pain and suffering his weapons have caused throughout the world ( :confused: i know right). So he eventually figures it out and takes steps to changes things and grow as a person. Granted his solution is to build an even more ridiculous weapon just for himself, and he happens to discover fusion in the process potentially solving the worlds energy problem and environmental problems in one go....not that he bothers to share any of this with the world *cough* *cough* but baby steps right. Anyway where was I.... so Stark goes full circle stands up to the military industrial complex and despite some potential flaws with Stark's revelation we really haven't seen another mainstream hero I can think off do this till BP. Cap doesn't count, his character and ideals pretty much don't waver since we first met him. Honestly, I don't know if Tony has grown too much since the first movie...maybe if you count Civil war and Spider-Man I guess.
[video=youtube;11AsaccZJCE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11AsaccZJCE[/video]
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Both Black panther and Eric are right. The colonizers are the ones who are wrong.
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[QUOTE=goku200;3542975]Both Black panther and Eric are right. The colonizers are the ones who are wrong.[/QUOTE]
LOL, amen to that!
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[QUOTE=Jabare;3542956]I think Black Panther is probably the most enlightened superhero since Ironman in 2008. Tony is this the unbelievably wealthy playboy who also happens to be a genius inventor somehow seemingly oblivious to the pain and suffering his weapons have caused throughout the world ( :confused: i know right). So he eventually figures it out and takes steps to changes things and grow as a person. Granted his solution is to build an even more ridiculous weapon just for himself, and he happens to discover fusion in the process potentially solving the worlds energy problem and environmental problems in one go....not that he bothers to share any of this with the world *cough* *cough* but baby steps right. Anyway where was I.... so Stark goes full circle stands up to the military industrial complex and despite some potential flaws with Stark's revelation we really haven't seen another mainstream hero I can think off do this till BP. Cap doesn't count, his character and ideals pretty much don't waver since we first met him. Honestly, I don't know if Tony has grown too much since the first movie...maybe if you count Civil war and Spider-Man I guess.
[video=youtube;11AsaccZJCE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11AsaccZJCE[/video][/QUOTE]
Tony has grown tremendously in the 3 Iron Man movies First he became Iron Man and then he saw his purpose. The armor freed him In part 2 the armor is killing him. He feels the weight of the world on his shoulders and tries to handle it alone. In part 3 he ends up discovering that he doesn't need the armor, that without it he's still Iron Man. Also from Avengers Tony was doing clean energy to stop us from using stuff that pollutes the world. Also he built that ridiculous weapon to save peoples lives. Instead of landmines that hurt children. Tony chose to stop selling weapons. Could you imagine if Wal-Mart did that?!?! I digress. I just wanted to show that Tony did grow as a person. He even started just seeing one woman. That's growth. Didn't mean to change the subject. This is T'challa's Appreciation thread.
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Tony is the best character the MCU has produced. He's grown tremendously in his 10 years.
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[QUOTE=goku200;3542975]Both Black panther and Eric are right. The colonizers are the ones who are wrong.[/QUOTE]
I think Erik's motivation is justified doesn't mean his solution is correct. Wakanda is a tiny nation according to the movie after all. Waging war on the world clearly won't bring any benefit at the end. Though to Erik, death is better than bondage, so I don't think he cares about where his radical acts will lead to. But T'challa is born to the throne so that he has to be responsible to the kingdom.
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[QUOTE=Magnusilver;3543100]I think Erik's motivation is justified doesn't mean his solution is correct. Wakanda is a tiny nation according to the movie after all. Waging war on the world clearly won't bring any benefit at the end. Though to Erik, death is better than bondage, so I don't think he cares about where his radical acts will lead to. But T'challa is born to the throne so that he has to be responsible to the kingdom.[/QUOTE]
That's what I said when a friend of mine wanted Killmonger to win. He would destroy Wakanda if he ruled it for a long period of time.
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[QUOTE=goku200;3542348]Bp didn't killed anyone Eric killed himself because he didn't want to be locked up.[/QUOTE]
[B] Erik pulled the. Blade out of his chest that Tchalla stuck in there. He was dying, had he not taken The blade out he still would of died. He basically just sped up the process by removing the blade.[/B]
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[QUOTE=Tony Stark;3543103]That's what I said when a friend of mine wanted Killmonger to win. He would destroy Wakanda if he ruled it for a long period of time.[/QUOTE]
Yep. Being a king means being more visionary and less impulsive. Erik would make a good fighter though if he didn't commit suicide at the end of movie.
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3543126][B] Erik pulled the. Blade out of his chest that Tchalla stuck in there. He was dying, had he not taken The blade out he still would of died. He basically just sped up the process by removing the blade.[/B][/QUOTE]
Ross was restored to full-health by Shuri so I believe Erik would be fine if he didn't pull out the blade.
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[QUOTE=Pulp Fiction;3542750]Lmaooooo how can you not?[/QUOTE]
[B] Because it wasn't. That's like saying the dark Knight was a joker movie because they actually gave him enough screen time to be a 3 dimensional villain. I swear people would rather see a "I want to rule the world because I'm evil! Yet I also don't pose an actual threat to the hero unless they Hero is brought down to my level" then a Villain that is actually good. Look up articles about how to write a good villain and Coogler did just that. Good villains are Characters who, of they changed their method of getting things done, would actually be heroes.
This is a pretty good video that talks about it as well
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[url]https://youtu.be/anndNbRjOeE[/url]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3543153][B] Because it wasn't. That's like saying the dark Knight was a joker movie because they actually gave him enough screen time to be a 3 dimensional villain. I swear people would rather see a "I want to rule the world because I'm evil! Yet I also don't pose an actual threat to the hero unless they Hero is brought down to my level" then a Villain that is actually good. Look up articles about how to write a good villain and Coogler did just that. Good villains are Characters who, of they changed their method of getting things done, would actually be heroes.
This is a pretty good video that talks about it as well
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[url]https://youtu.be/anndNbRjOeE[/url][/QUOTE]
I do agree Erik was the most well-developed character even though his screen time wasn't the longest. Don't get me wrong. T'challa was great and I can understand his every choice throughout the movie but as a lead character comparing to like Ironman and Captain America, I don't see a strong core belief this character holds just like others do. Hopefully it will be made up in next Black Panther movie.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3543153][B] Because it wasn't. That's like saying the dark Knight was a joker movie because they actually gave him enough screen time to be a 3 dimensional villain. I swear people would rather see a "I want to rule the world because I'm evil! Yet I also don't pose an actual threat to the hero unless they Hero is brought down to my level" then a Villain that is actually good. Look up articles about how to write a good villain and Coogler did just that. Good villains are Characters who, of they changed their method of getting things done, would actually be heroes.
This is a pretty good video that talks about it as well
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[url]https://youtu.be/anndNbRjOeE[/url][/QUOTE]
I'm not saying he should have changed the way he wrote killmonger or any character. They're good characters. I'm saying he should have wrote T'Challa better. Google what a passive protagonist/reactive protagonist is. That's what T'Challa was in the movie. I bet articles about how to write a good protagonist would contain everything Coogler didn't do.
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[QUOTE=Magnusilver;3543141]Yep. Being a king means being more visionary and less impulsive. Erik would make a good fighter though if he didn't commit suicide at the end of movie.
Ross was restored to full-health by Shuri so I believe Erik would be fine if he didn't pull out the blade.[/QUOTE]
[B] Erik could of been saved, but he still died by Tchallas hand. As said earlier in the thread, Erik didn't stab himself in the chest. T'Challa killed him, but also offered him mercy.
For the First part of this Post o fully agree. This is what people need to realize is that Tchalla listened and responded in a way that a King should. Like his father told him, surround yourself with people you trust, so he did that. He was looking at the big picture taking everything in. He can't act like Thor and run from his responsibility and play Hero, his actions affect a nation. That's what Makes T'chadwicks performance so good. T'Challa had to wear multiple hats and his personality is more subtle and less bombastic then kilmonger, but he is far more nuanced[/B]