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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3607125][B] In two years since Coates started writing BP. Evan's is the only writer who actually champions T'Challa in his own book and gave him actual feats to be proud of and can give Cats like MoS a long list of things to add to blog's noting all of his feats.. a book that started this year..... The Best that Tchalla looked in Coates Story, last Issue 171, STILL gave the KO blow to fraking Thunderball. TChallas most hated villain..... Let that sink in for a second[/B][/QUOTE]
Dude at this rate Coates is T’Challas biggest villain. Dudes been on this run for two damn years now and he’s still too damn uncomfortable with writing BP in character and giving him solid feats but has no problem doing those things for everyone else. And it’s gonna be more of the same **** with 12 years a slave in space next month. Complete and utter garbage.
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[QUOTE=Cville;3607094]@butterflykyss
Would you agree that the outcome of this story was to promote Storm?[/QUOTE]
hmm.. yes but also tchalla as well:
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it promoted them as a team, as a unit.
he was promoted as the planner, the tactician, the leader, she as the powerhouse the goddess. both of their attributes were promoted not just one or the other.
this showed how great his mind can work even when others involved may not grasp the whole plan.. not seeing how that is a bad thing here.
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[QUOTE=Cville;3607127]What exactly was the manipulation? I would have said there was if he told her all the things she wanted to hear to get her help them called her a cab home.
But he played it pretty straight.
Did he force the portals to open in the area where she dispelled the storm?
Did he hold back his skills to create a situation where she "had" to save everyone?[/QUOTE]
Hello? What is happening? BP was manipulative with his kingly "old spice" charm. Lol T'Challa did tell her everything she wanted to hear. He kept laying on the mushy talk. Women love that ****! She kept wanting to change the subject and he was just pouring on the charm. It turns out he knew Storm had Goddess potential. H3 knew who Sefako really was. That means he knew what was causing the storms. He knew the portals were to blame. He knew how to close the portals. He knew how to beat Adversary. He knew his ex-wife held the answer. He knew how to get her to realize that power. That's just off the top of my head. None of which he disclosed to his woman until after they handled the threat TOGETHER.
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3607128]I'm sorry, but that's utterly ridiculous. "I've battled him in the past" + "He's afraid of me" does not by any rational form of thought process suggest "he is attacking now because we used to be married".
By that token, that means Namor attacked Black Panther because of how close he is to Susan Storm. They have quite a lot of history (even more than Storm and the big A) and T'Challa is certainly a threat. It's perfectly clear....
ETA: Say, that's true of Doctor Doom, too![/QUOTE]
I don't know how you are forcing Doom, the FF, Namor and whoever the hell else into a storyline or running narrative between the characters Forge, Adversary, BP, Wakanda and Storm. The ones your presented do NOT have the same ties or connections as the others. Those connections are left by the wayside because the ones you brought up do not share the proposal aspect that I pointed out.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3607165]hmm.. yes but also tchalla as well:
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it promoted them as a team, as a unit.
he was promoted as the planner, the tactician, the leader, she as the powerhouse the goddess. both of their attributes were promoted not just one or the other.
this showed how great his mind can work even when others involved may not grasp the whole plan.. not seeing how that is a bad thing here.[/QUOTE]
This is one of a few things I've noticed T'Challa and Tony have in common. They do a lot of 10 steps a head of your enemies and 5 steps a head of your friends thing.
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[QUOTE=Tony Stark;3607195]This is one of a few things I've noticed T'Challa and Tony have in common. They do a lot of 10 steps a head of your enemies and 5 steps a head of your friends thing.[/QUOTE]
exactly and that's why they are among marvels most intelligent characters.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3607114][B]LOL that's your counter argument?? Really... Yes the BP Mythos has supporting cast members, people who the writer of said mythos has full control over. Got it? Ok good.
Now, Storm is not apart of the Black panther mythos, can you guess why? It's because the writer (and the following writers after) do not have full control over her. The simple fact that this "I am yours, only mine" nonsense os being thrown around and just as quickly in a x book Storm is shown swapping spit with an x Character (that happened just a few issue's ago) debunks your supposed idea that storm is apart of the Mythos.
Just like Thunderball and Eden, she is simply a guest in the series who has overstayed her welcome and has taken away much needed feats from the title character and actually supporting cast members
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If you look up the word mythos, you will see no aspect of the definition having anything whatsoever to do with whether or not a particular comic book writer has full control of the character or not.
Storm is a major part of BP's mythology. She is his ex wife, ex queen, and presently the love of his wife who he presently is in a relationship with. The moment they were married, she became a major aspect of the charaacters life and Wakandan history regardless of the outcome or what degree of control the writer had over the character. Storm being a significant aspect of T'Challa's mythology is a statement of fact.
If Eden or Thunderball had married T'Challa I'd say the same about them. But they haven't... so the get the guest label for the moment.
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[QUOTE=Tony Stark;3607195]This is one of a few things I've noticed T'Challa and Tony have in common. They do a lot of 10 steps a head of your enemies and 5 steps a head of your friends thing.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I liked that aspect about this story. There was a Priest like vibe in that T'Challa in his head basically had the fight won at the very beginning... we as readers just didn't know it yet. He identified the threat, came up with a plan to deal with it, and brought together the things he needed to get it done. Executing it was almost a formality in the end, because he basically had the adversary beat before he even showed up.
And it also makes him look a little bit like a jerk... which is also Priest like. But it's just a part of the characters charm.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3607229]Yeah, I liked that aspect about this story. There was a Priest like vibe in that T'Challa in his head basically had the fight won at the very beginning... we as readers just didn't know it yet. He identified the threat, came up with a plan to deal with it, and brought together the things he needed to get it done. Executing it was almost a formality in the end, because he basically had the adversary beat before he even showed up.
And it also makes him look a little bit like a jerk... which is also Priest like. But it's just a part of the characters charm.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=XPac;3607226]If you look up the word mythos, you will see no aspect of the definition having anything whatsoever to do with whether or not a particular comic book writer has full control of the character or not.
Storm is a major part of BP's mythology. She is his ex wife, ex queen, and presently the love of his wife who he presently is in a relationship with. The moment they were married, she became a major aspect of the charaacters life and Wakandan history regardless of the outcome or what degree of control the writer had over the character. Storm being a significant aspect of T'Challa's mythology is a statement of fact.
If Eden or Thunderball had married T'Challa I'd say the same about them. But they haven't... so the get the guest label for the moment.[/QUOTE]
well said....
10char
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3607165]hmm.. yes but also tchalla as well:
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it promoted them as a team, as a unit.
he was promoted as the planner, the tactician, the leader, she as the powerhouse the goddess. both of their attributes were promoted not just one or the other.
this showed how great his mind can work even when others involved may not grasp the whole plan.. not seeing how that is a bad thing here.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I think them being a team that needed each other to achieve victory was pretty cool.
As great as Storm looked in that issue, I don't think anyone (even hardcore Storm fans) would likely argue she could have defeated Adversary on her own. His brains and his leadership, and on a personal level his faith in her and support was needed for her to do what she did.
Coogler deserves just as much credit as Boseman for the success of the Black Panther despite never once showing up on screen. Bill Walsh deserves just as much credit as Joe Montana for the 49ers winning the super bowl despite literally not touching the ball in a single quarter of the game. And yes T'Challa deserves just as much credit as Storm does for defeating the Adversary. He was the brains behind it all. Without him, they would have lost plain and simple.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3607229]Yeah, I liked that aspect about this story. There was a Priest like vibe in that T'Challa in his head basically had the fight won at the very beginning... we as readers just didn't know it yet. He identified the threat, came up with a plan to deal with it, and brought together the things he needed to get it done. Executing it was almost a formality in the end, because he basically had the adversary beat before he even showed up.
And it also makes him look a little bit like a jerk... which is also Priest like. But it's just a part of the characters charm.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you. It's parts of T'Challa and Starks charm. And people call them dicks for being that way.
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[QUOTE=Tony Stark;3607250]I agree with you. It's parts of T'Challa and Starks charm. And people call them dicks for being that way.[/QUOTE]
I think it's fair that in both Tony and T'Challa's case they're usually at their best when they are at their worst.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3607229]Yeah, I liked that aspect about this story. There was a Priest like vibe in that T'Challa in his head basically had the fight won at the very beginning... we as readers just didn't know it yet. He identified the threat, came up with a plan to deal with it, and brought together the things he needed to get it done. Executing it was almost a formality in the end, because he basically had the adversary beat before he even showed up.[/QUOTE]
As Sun Tzu said, “the victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory.”
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[QUOTE=BBeeryan;3607172]I don't know how you are forcing Doom, the FF, Namor and whoever the hell else into a storyline or running narrative between the characters Forge, Adversary, BP, Wakanda and Storm. The ones your presented do NOT have the same ties or connections as the others. Those connections are left by the wayside because the ones you brought up do not share the proposal aspect that I pointed out.[/QUOTE]
Because your ridiculous assertion that the Adversary's motivation is "attacking Ororo's lovers" falls apart under even the most casual scrutiny, and every justification you have set forward boils down to "because I think it is true". There is NO PROOF, other than your belief, that her romantic partnerships, whether there was a proposal or not, have ANYTHING to do with this story. It's by no means clear or obvious.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3606910][B]Yea naw I don't want to read about how T'Challa gives orders/feats to other characters. Tchalla is the title Character. You wouldn't expect Cap to stand around giving orders to all hos supporting cast to show how much of s "leader" he is. I fact, other writers have shown him as a capable leader while giving him the feats without making Tchalla the lame who barks orders and does little else. Who wants to read a series about the title Character not doing all the cool stuff. This is T'Challas Solo, not a team book/ pseudo Storm solo[/b][/QUOTE]
I think Captain America is absolutely the wrong example there because, yeah, Cap does exactly that. The "Call it Cap" was the iconic moment from the Avengers and when he has a team, the idea of him being a master of strategy and using that team is important. I wouldn't have a problem with a Cap book where he comes up with a plan that Bucky, Sharon, and Sam execute.
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3607125][B] In two years since Coates started writing BP. Evan's is the only writer who actually champions T'Challa in his own book and gave him actual feats to be proud of and can give Cats like MoS a long list of things to add to blog's noting all of his feats.. a book that started this year..... The Best that Tchalla looked in Coates Story, last Issue 171, STILL gave the KO blow to fraking Thunderball. TChallas most hated villain..... Let that sink in for a second[/B][/QUOTE]
Again, why are the only feats that matter physical ones? Why does the fact that he came up with a brilliant plan and executed it perfectly not matter? Why does the fact that he's brought so many people to his side as a leader not count? I don't get that.
Anyway, the next arc seems like it'll take T'Challa away from his support, so it'll be interesting to see what he does when alone. It's also interesting, after exploring the Storm relationship, he'll be in space with Nakia instead.
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I'm alway open to giving chances and I try not judge something before reading it. But reading this in one go and seeing how haphazardly put together this arc was, the seemingly reactionary movie additions and the randomness of an impersonal villain with no ties to T'Challa and wakanda just doesn't inspire faith. I look forward to Acuna's art and I think Jason Aaron's gonna knock it outta the park with T'Challa but coates man... I dunno. Did editorial read this arc and go "damn, that's some hot s***t"? Man idk