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According to current continuity Wakanda is technologically advanced because they were able to remain unconquered and allowed to develop unencumbered. The Vibranium played a role in that, but that's no different from other nations utilizing their natural resources to grow and remain strong.
The role Bast plays in everything is more about the Panther tribe itself. Bast tasked the Panther tribe with protecting the vibranium mound after it began to mutant the various tribes in the area. The Panther clan protected the mound and united the various tribes into one nation which is now Wakanda.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;1535669]Consequently, what caught my attention was the fact that the writer even felt the need to include someone on the team roster who supposedly can SHUT down the team on a personal whim.
Why Ewing feels he needs to include such a character on this team remains to be seen, but it will be quite interesting to see how many anti-BP fanboys/girls waiting to see Chavez neuter T'Challa, he'll attract to this book in the process.[/QUOTE]
Personally, it's her attitude that irritates me. Sarah Connor and Ripley were/are bad-ass, but they never had this kind of "y'all clowns need to shut up and let me lead" attitude. Heck, if she can close/open holes in the Multiverse, why not just throw Galactus in an empty universe and let him starve to death? The whole thing could be over in a few panels. Ewing is great, but he's made some fairly...bizzare choices lately. Maker vs Squirel Girl and White Tiger, a reality-warper with an attitude in a book with characters that are already kinda OP, Stick in CoC. I don't know, I'm starting to get a bit worried...
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[QUOTE=Darthkostis;1535644][B]To me the mystical aspect is what makes him interesting.[/B] There are tons of super-geniuses around, but none that is actually religious. I talked about it before in this very same thread, but personally, I'm sick and tired of the whole "I'm smart, therefore I can't accept that there's something greater than myself" type of character. Stark, Pym, Reed, Terrific, Batman, every genius-level character is like that. After a while it just becomes stale. I understand where you're coming from, but if you strip him of that element he becomes less unique and interesting. It's the duality between these two sides of his life that makes him much more interesting than your average super-scientist.[/QUOTE] Me too!
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[QUOTE=Maximum;1535665]I see what you're saying but I don't have a problem with the character carrying a religion. It's the magic aspects being used. That's where it ruffles my feathers. It feels like theres nothing special about him and that any person in his position would succeed because...magic. Other than that, I love the character of T'Challa.
I guess that's why David Liss' run was my favorite for BP. It was just the man and he was amazing.[/QUOTE]
Truthfully T'Challa doesn't utilize a whole lot of magic. Really you can argue he doesn't utilize any. Yeah the heart shaped herb gives him enhanced stats but really I give credit to T'Challa for pretty much everything T'Challa does. His thing is less his magically enhanced strength (which relatively speaking in the MU isn't particularly anything to write home about) and more his intellect and skill. And that's all him.
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Met too![/QUOTE]
I know, right? It's a nice change from all the "Gee, I'm far too smart for this bullshit".
PS: MK + BP + Voodoo = Splendacular!
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[QUOTE=Holt;1535641]Wakanda confirmed for one of the new levels in Disney Infinity 3.0
[url]http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/10/11/nycc-15-disney-infinity-3-0/[/url]
There's also this interesting tidbit:[/QUOTE]
Just wondering how wakanda will look like
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[QUOTE=Darthkostis;1535674]Yeah, I get that. But as far as I remember, Bast has remained fairly in the shadows. She helps the BP of the era, but she doesn't do much to "help" Wakanda. She's more concerned with her "champion". But I do get your concerns and they're fairly valid, no argument there.[/QUOTE]
Frankly I'm more critical of Bast not doing enough.
She knew the catastrophies of AvX and Infinity/Time Runs out ahead of time, yet she didn't lift a finger to help. Thanos was walking around in her living room and Bast was nowhere to be seen. I get that gods rarely interfere... but if Thanos walked into Odins or Zeus house, he'd have a fight on his hands.
After all of that, and Doom War to a degree, part of me wonders why they should even continue worshiping Bast. But all that aside, I do think it adds a fun aura of mystique to the character and Wakanda.
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[QUOTE=Dboi654;1535210][video=youtube;ftv4csh7fws]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftv4csh7fws[/video]
Opinions?[/QUOTE]
I agree 100% with everything she said.
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[QUOTE=Darthkostis;1535682]Personally, it's her attitude that irritates me. Sarah Connor and Ripley were/are bad-ass, but they never had this kind of "y'all clowns need to shut up and let me lead" attitude. Heck, if she can close/open holes in the Multiverse, why not just throw Galactus in an empty universe and let him starve to death? The whole thing could be over in a few panels. Ewing is great, but he's made some fairly...bizzare choices lately. Maker vs Squirel Girl and White Tiger, a reality-warper with an attitude in a book with characters that are already kinda OP, Stick in CoC. I don't know, I'm starting to get a bit worried...[/QUOTE]
I'm trying to not even think about it.
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[QUOTE=Darthkostis;1535682]Personally, it's her attitude that irritates me. Sarah Connor and Ripley were/are bad-ass, but they never had this kind of "y'all clowns need to shut up and let me lead" attitude. Heck, if she can close/open holes in the Multiverse, why not just throw Galactus in an empty universe and let him starve to death? The whole thing could be over in a few panels. Ewing is great, but he's made some fairly...bizzare choices lately. Maker vs Squirel Girl and White Tiger, a reality-warper with an attitude in a book with characters that are already kinda OP, Stick in CoC. I don't know, I'm starting to get a bit worried...[/QUOTE]
Ewing has definately made some unconventional choices as far as who he is casting, and you can argue he did in Mighty Avengers as well. But in Mighty Avengers I think he made it work. So I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say the same here.
Generally speaking I think comics need that writer to every once in awhile come in and really throw stuff to the wall to see what sticks. Best case examples of that being the Kooky Quartet and the All New All Different X-Men. The more classic Avengers are GREAT and no one would fault him for sticking with guys like Thor and Iron Man and Wasp. But if you can make a Blue Marvel or a Miss America work, then I think you've really done something unique.
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[QUOTE=Darthkostis;1535682] Maker vs Squirel Girl and White Tiger[/QUOTE]
There's nothing particularly odd about that. I can't think of any superhero team that hasn't had at least one or two underpowered (in comparison to the others) characters. He's writing who he wants to write.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1535697]Frankly I'm more critical of Bast not doing enough.
She knew the catastrophies of AvX and Infinity/Time Runs out ahead of time, yet she didn't lift a finger to help. Thanos was walking around in her living room and Bast was nowhere to be seen. I get that gods rarely interfere... but if Thanos walked into Odins or Zeus house, he'd have a fight on his hands.
After all of that, and Doom War to a degree, part of me wonders why they should even continue worshiping Bast. But all that aside, I do think it adds a fun aura of mystique to the character and Wakanda.[/QUOTE]
Part of me wonders why anyone would blame a fictional character/deity for actions thay had no hand in scripting.
But that's just me.
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[QUOTE=Holt;1535714]There's nothing particularly odd about that. I can't think of any superhero team that hasn't had at least one or two underpowered (in comparison to the others) characters. He's writing who he wants to write.[/QUOTE]
As far as Squirrel Girl being underpowered... yes and no. On paper she's not that powerful. But they don't call her the unbeatable Squirel Girl for nothing.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;1535669]Consequently, what caught my attention was the fact that the writer even felt the need to include someone on the team roster who supposedly can SHUT down the team on a personal whim.
Why Ewing feels he needs to include such a character on this team remains to be seen, but it will be quite interesting to see how many anti-BP fanboys/girls waiting to see Chavez neuter T'Challa, he'll attract to this book in the process.[/QUOTE]
And BP trolls "[I]cleverly[/I]" masquerading as fans. Individuals who have historically taken the opposing side of the fandom 99% of the time [SIZE=1](but not 100%, because that would be too obvious)[/SIZE], to legitimize the rampant foolishness of the people who deliberately dislike the character.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1535697]Frankly I'm more critical of Bast not doing enough.
She knew the catastrophies of AvX and Infinity/Time Runs out ahead of time, yet she didn't lift a finger to help. Thanos was walking around in her living room and Bast was nowhere to be seen. I get that gods rarely interfere... but if Thanos walked into Odins or Zeus house, he'd have a fight on his hands.
After all of that, and Doom War to a degree, part of me wonders why they should even continue worshiping Bast. But all that aside, I do think it adds a fun aura of mystique to the character and Wakanda.[/QUOTE]
"The Gods work in mysterious ways". Seriously though, she's a literal god, I don't think the lives of "ants" matter a lot to her. If Wakandas exist the next day then great, more worshippers. If not, well, it's not the end of her world.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;1535711]I'm trying to not even think about it.[/QUOTE]
Well, me as well, but I'm beggining think MAC is going to be the central POV bad-azz character...
[QUOTE=Holt;1535714]There's nothing particularly odd about that. I can't think of any superhero team that hasn't had at least one or two underpowered (in comparison to the others) characters. He's writing who he wants to write.[/QUOTE]
The rundown is: Wiccan, Hulkling, SG, White Tiger, Hawkeye, Songbird, Power Man 2.0 and powerless Sunspot, plus some AIM Scientists. Hardly a powerhouse team. If anything, they're a bit above street-level. And these guys and gals are supposed to go against the Maker? If you've read about him, you've seen exactly what kind of a beast he is. He's basically the Doctor with no morals. The NA is certainly not equiped to handle him.
[QUOTE=XPac;1535713]Ewing has definately made some unconventional choices as far as who he is casting, and you can argue he did in Mighty Avengers as well. But in Mighty Avengers I think he made it work. So I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say the same here.
Generally speaking I think comics need that writer to every once in awhile come in and really throw stuff to the wall to see what sticks. Best case examples of that being the Kooky Quartet and the All New All Different X-Men. The more classic Avengers are GREAT and no one would fault him for sticking with guys like Thor and Iron Man and Wasp. But if you can make a Blue Marvel or a Miss America work, then I think you've really done something unique.[/QUOTE]
Well, that is valid, but still, the inclusion of so many so-so characters is kinda alarming. For example, he could've brought Richard Rider back. Or used Abigail Brand. The team is OP enough, I don't think a "punch holes in reality and close them by dancing" character is needed.