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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3804545]Do you think we will get a bunch of, "omg how can advanced society have fights for the crown?" Like we did with black panther?
I highly doubt it[/QUOTE]
Of course not.
DC have no problem sticking to their characters respective mythos.
Marvel on the other hand, just let anyone come in and change stuff willy nilly.
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3804767]In fairness, it was the electoral college that gave us Trump, even though Hillary won the majority of votes.
And it's not that advanced, as we've been using it...since the founding of our country *cough*
...maybe we oughta update?[/QUOTE]
electoral college= our advanced system
maybe quotes around "advanced" is in order. I was being sarcastic. POint is our system is not necesarily optimal nor advanced.
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Black Panther is full of political intrigue with ideologies and theologies that often clash or contradict each other!
Once you mix the three R's Race, Religion and Rhetoric (politics) emotions can run rampant and reveal something about each of us and our value systems!
In this video see if you can tell which character more reflects Obama or Trump...
[video=youtube;hur6LcyuTuU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hur6LcyuTuU[/video]
Hint: After multiple mutinies at the end of this movie the military judges found that both of these rival individuals were right!
Compare that to Nakia and Okoye agreeing to disagree about overthrowing Killmonger or T'challa blasting his deceased elders about hiding Wakanda from the outside world!
Politics always had moving parts that you may not like but they are always a necessary evil one way or another!
The U.S. does not have a Warriors Falls type of presidential election otherwise only UCF fighters with head trauma brain damage would be leaders of the free world!
An electoral college did not stop Obama, Bill Clinton, Bush Sr and Jr etc... Hillary Clinton straight dropped the knife like Jamie Lee Curtis in Halloween instead of finishing off Michael Myers when he was down allowing him to get back up and stalk her some more!
Put the emotions aside and use your Michael Corleone poker face and never let them see you sweat and live to fight another day!
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[QUOTE=XPac;3804872]I use Priests version, because it's the only instance we know of where someone outside of T'Challas family has actually won the contest. We never saw anyone outside of T'CHalla's family win the challenge in Hudlins version.
Trump wasn't a flaw in the system. It worked like it was supposed to. The flaw was in Hillary and how she campgained… something even her husband and Obame criticized her on. The point of the electoral college is that it forces the candidates to campaign the ENTIRE country, not just the high population centers like California, New York and Florida. Every states counts, to some degree at least. That's where she blew it. It's not the systems fault... it's hers. But this is probably a bit off topic, so I'll leave it there.[/QUOTE]
I'm assuming some people have been living under a proverbial rock for the last few months or so especially as regards President Putin's admission that he gave the order for his operatives to do all possible to ensure Trump's "victory" in the 2016 Presidential election.
Go check out the video of Trump and Putin's joint statement at the Helsinki Summit for verification.
Applying real world politics to the fictional Wakanda setting is quite silly especially when the same does not occur in other fictional societies within the MU.
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barring any legal issues, I'm wondering just how the Supremacists would even be updated in the comics. I severely doubt they would end up in the films.
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[QUOTE=Hypestyle;3805155]barring any legal issues, I'm wondering just how the Supremacists would even be updated in the comics. I severely doubt they would end up in the films.[/QUOTE]
Just make them a black ops team sent in by another country to bring down Black Panther. Problem solved. And obviously change the name as well.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3804606]If they're not going the Malice route, I'm thinking Lupita should have been Monica Lynn. Not necessarily the version we saw in comics... but they can just say Monica Lynn is her undercover identity when she's acting overseas.
Course, the movie version is nothing like the comic version of Monica... but it's not like she's anything like the comic version of Nakia either.[/QUOTE]
I doubt "Monica" is a very popular Wakandan name lol
[QUOTE=Yaw;3804623]that **** annoyed me so much. While, our advanced system gave us Trump.[/QUOTE]
It was just a way to hate. No one will say a word about Atlantis, another hyperadvanced culture, doing it.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3804629]you think.they will take nakia down the malice route?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Yaw;3804633]yeah but she was exactly like malaika, except or the Peggy Bundy hair of course. lol.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=XPac;3804640]Not necessarily, but it's possible.
They gave her the name of a super villain. That doesn't obligate them to turn her into a super villain, but they have to know some people familiar with the source material will expect that to happen. It's like watching a SpiderMan movie and seeing a Norman Osborn show up. You sort of guess how that turns out.
So either they have a long term plan to turn her into Malice, or they just randomly picked a name out of the mythos to give to the character without giving any thought whatsoever to it. I wouldn't be shocked either way. And honestly I'm fine with it either way. I'm against T'CHalla being with Nakia in comics for obvious reasons... but those reasons don't apply to the movie version whatsoever.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3804658]I see. your points make sense. I'm very sure the creative team behind bp knew exactly who nakia was to him in the comics; however, the writer for the current wakamda forever mini made it clear that the Nakia in her book was not the one people are familiar with in the movie. so as you mentioned it could go either way.[/QUOTE]
They used Nakia because she is one of the few named Doras.
At the time of the movie, the only named Doras in the comics were:
- Okoye: in the movie and rather comic accurate
- Nakia
- QDJ: isn't Wakandan
- Ayo and Aneka: new and Lesbian
- Trainer Chick in Priest Run
And then, spy wise, Malakai, who mcuNakia was really patterned after, can't be used because of dispute with Gillis.
That only leaves Nakia or making up a completely new name.
[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3804762]I doubt that they're gonna make MU Nakia a villain. She has none of the setup Nakia had in the comics.
Look at Ghost. She's a departure from canon in every way except powers (and the movie was better for it). I think the TV/movie people are using canon as a compass more than anything else.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. mcu Nakia is the complete opposite of 616 nakia/malice
- she isn't 16. She's a grown ass woman
- she isn't a Dora
- she isn't obsessed with T'challa. She loves T'challa but was 100% ready to leave him again to "do good in the world"
- she isn't crazy. In fact, she may have been the most level headed character in the whole movie.
[QUOTE=Cville;3804823]Even if you win, you have to climb a mountain without equipment and help to retrieve the herb. And answer historical questions from the tribal council. And fight six of Wakandas best fighters at once.
Winning a fight against a peak human is probably the easiest part.[/QUOTE]
and get judged by a weird/fickle god
[QUOTE=Mantis Dad;3804811][I]Maybe they should have him drink from the "Small hands shaped herb", then challenge him on top of the water fall. Killmonger might be a more effective leader.[/I][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3804452]I dont give a poop about continuity
It had thought balloons....
The writing was amateurish[/QUOTE]
I was coming in to say that I agreed with everyone that World of Wakanda was not a good book and wasn't deserving of awards, but the thought balloons weren't the issue. The comics industry needs more thought balloons, not fewer. It's a shame they fell out of favor.
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[QUOTE=Hypestyle;3805155]barring any legal issues, I'm wondering just how the Supremacists would even be updated in the comics. I severely doubt they would end up in the films.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BlackClaw;3805161]Just make them a black ops team sent in by another country to bring down Black Panther. Problem solved. And obviously change the name as well.[/QUOTE]
For comics... you don't change much. They are like the wrecking crew or something. the are basically the "avengers" of a shitty country.
Movie... BC nailed it. We know SHIELD used powered individuals for missions (ant-man, wasp, Ghost, Cap)... Supremacists woudl simply be a shitty countries version of the same thing.
or they are mercenaries.
opening scene (since MCU movies like to open in action) in the next movie could be T'challa on a diplomatic mission to say.... Sudan and he is attacked by the "supremacists." After defeating them, Okoye makes a comment on how this is the 4th assassination attempt on T'challa since Wakanda opened up or something.
If you go the mercenary route, they could be getting hired by someone like... Achebe, who is trying to destablize Wakanda and keep T'challa distracted. Hell, the "supremacists" could get their powers from a bastardized HSH and it could be a "mystery" movie of T'chalal trying to figure out who exactly is doing this.
You could get smart/prep Wakanda as we find out towads the end that T'challa was countering what Achebe was doing and actually trying to draw him out. Because Achebe is just the front man, the real bad guy is *insert villain*
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3805162]I doubt "Monica" is a very popular Wakandan name lol
[B]It was just a way to hate. No one will say a word about Atlantis, another hyperadvanced culture, doing it. [/B]
They used Nakia because she is one of the few named Doras.
At the time of the movie, the only named Doras in the comics were:
- Okoye: in the movie and rather comic accurate
- Nakia
- QDJ: isn't Wakandan
- Ayo and Aneka: new and Lesbian
- Trainer Chick in Priest Run
And then, spy wise, Malakai, who mcuNakia was really patterned after, can't be used because of dispute with Gillis.
That only leaves Nakia or making up a completely new name.
Exactly. mcu Nakia is the complete opposite of 616 nakia/malice
- she isn't 16. She's a grown ass woman
- she isn't a Dora
- she isn't obsessed with T'challa. She loves T'challa but was 100% ready to leave him again to "do good in the world"
- she isn't crazy. In fact, she may have been the most level headed character in the whole movie.
and get judged by a weird/fickle god
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Exactly, I'm waiting to see if Ben Shaprio does video criticizing Aquaman's society the way he BP's before the movie even came out.
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A couple of thoughts about the Aquaman trailer..
1. Man I really hope Marvel takes its TIME with the Black Panther sequel. Aquaman had 5 months of production (BP 3 and a half) and about 14 months after wrapping production (BP 10 months) is when the film will be released.
Maybe I'm still salty because IW's CGI looked amazing and Aquaman looks pretty great too. I know part of that is Ryan and Morrison have to get better pre-vis shots, but still if they had TIME it would have worked out better.
2. If Marvel does get Namor it will be interesting how Coogler/Marvel approaches that character and his homeland. Certainly can't cut back on time and budget.
The main thing is there better not be another Avengers movie released the same year as a Black Panther movie. The movie made 1.3 billion, might get oscar nominations and thats while having mediocre CGI in the 3rd act of movie. More resources towards BP's sequel.
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Now we judging CGI greatness by a 3 minute trailer as a way to compare to and criticize BP movie?
Bast have mercy
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[QUOTE=Klaue's Mixtape;3805208]A couple of thoughts about the Aquaman trailer..
1. Man I really hope Marvel takes its TIME with the Black Panther sequel. Aquaman had 5 months of production (BP 3 and a half) and about 14 months after wrapping production (BP 10 months) is when the film will be released.
Maybe I'm still salty because IW's CGI looked amazing and Aquaman looks pretty great too. I know part of that is Ryan and Morrison have to get better pre-vis shots, but still if they had TIME it would have worked out better.
2. If Marvel does get Namor it will be interesting how Coogler/Marvel approaches that character and his homeland. Certainly can't cut back on time and budget.[/QUOTE]
In my honest opinion, Aquaman in terms of scope/spectacle does look a bit bigger than BP. As for the actual quality of the movie, we will have to wait and see.
It all comes down to marvel having to release multiple movies per year which leads to a situation where looking after the production of all movies will be difficult especially with Avengers Infinity War taking much of the time and money spent and the hype that has been building for years, thereby putting pressure on Marvel to live up to expectations.
Funny how BP still made more money domestically than the most anticipated superhero movie ever made.
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[QUOTE=Dboi654;3805232]In my honest opinion, Aquaman in terms of scope/spectacle does look a bit bigger than BP.
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It's almost like the Ocean is bigger than one African country
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3805241]It's almost like the Ocean is bigger than one African country[/QUOTE]
It's not really much about that.
There is a certain feel of potential ambitiousness in the film i.e Atlantis, sea monsters/creatures, contest battles, different locations, Atlantis vs the rest of the world kind of vibe (Although BP had a bit of that) etc.
It feels a bit like BP but on a slightly bigger scale. Maybe I'm wrong but that is how I see it.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3804872]I use Priests version, because it's the only instance we know of where someone outside of T'Challas family has actually won the contest. We never saw anyone outside of T'CHalla's family win the challenge in Hudlins version.
Trump wasn't a flaw in the system. It worked like it was supposed to. The flaw was in Hillary and how she campgained… something even her husband and Obame criticized her on. The point of the electoral college is that it forces the candidates to campaign the ENTIRE country, not just the high population centers like California, New York and Florida. Every states counts, to some degree at least. That's where she blew it. It's not the systems fault... it's hers. But this is probably a bit off topic, so I'll leave it there.[/QUOTE]
[B] True, however we did see someone besides Tchallas family take the Herb and be judged by Bast the same way one is judged to be the Black Panther. So it's not a rigged system unless your going to claim that they use a different version of the Herb for the challenge.
Did I say Trump is the flaw? No, stop putting words in my mouth. I said the flaw is in the electoral college. Because the representatives of a State can Vote against what the people in that state want and then it becomes X State has voted for y presidential candidate[/B]
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[QUOTE=Dboi654;3805232]In my honest opinion, Aquaman in terms of scope/spectacle does look a bit bigger than BP. As for the actual quality of the movie, we will have to wait and see.
It all comes down to marvel having to release multiple movies per year which leads to a situation where looking after the production of all movies will be difficult especially with Avengers Infinity War taking much of the time and money spent and the hype that has been building for years, thereby putting pressure on Marvel to live up to expectations.
Funny how BP still made more money domestically than the most anticipated superhero movie ever made.[/QUOTE]
Don't get me wrong I don't think Aquaman is going to be a better movie. Probably not even close. I think BP is better than IW and deserves its praise.
However, there's a bit of of a cut corners vibe from Wakanda. One of the criticisms people point out is that we only saw the people on one street in The Golden City. You'll find a lot of people who feel like Wakanda seemed a bit more impressive in IW as well. Despite not showing all the gadgets and tech, but don't get me started on that..
Coogler reportedly wanted to film a scene where BP runs to all parts of Wakanda and interacts with the people, Muhammad Ali style, but Marvel said no.
Marvel, imo, needs to decide the direction they are going with the sequel. Either bump up the CGI to Infinity War levels or start filming in Africa to give it a more grounded/authentic feel. That way it doesn't look so soundstagey and restricted.
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[QUOTE=Dboi654;3805255]It's not really much about that.
There is a certain feel of potential ambitiousness in the film i.e Atlantis, sea monsters/creatures, contest battles, different locations, Atlantis vs the rest of the world kind of vibe (Although BP had a bit of that) etc.
It feels a bit like BP but on a slightly bigger scale. Maybe I'm wrong but that is how I see it.[/QUOTE]
[B]To me, Aquaman at first glance Looks like starwars underwater. Black panther was more like a look Shakespeare 50 from now[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3805293][B]To me, Aquaman at first glance Looks like starwars underwater. Black panther was more like a look Shakespeare 50 from now[/B][/QUOTE]
I do agree with that assessment.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3805293][B]To me, Aquaman at first glance Looks like starwars underwater. Black panther was more like a look Shakespeare 50 from now[/B][/QUOTE]
Double post.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3805293][B]To me, Aquaman at first glance Looks like starwars underwater. Black panther was more like a look Shakespeare 50 from now[/B][/QUOTE]
And I'm good with the Shakespeare angle. That type of storytelling is why the movie is so great.
However, at the end they tried to go LOTR/Star Wars style. The hope was probably that it would feel intimate, but instead thats when the movie felt small. It really looks like they filmed in some small area in Atlanta and got half effort CGI because the focus was on IW. It becomes jarring.
The movie was trending towards an EPIC conclusion because of the story. However, in terms of execution, resources, it was just a solid ending. I know haters, cynics don't matter, but it really sucks that they couldn't end on a high note so haters wouldn't have anything to latch on. Now they try to dismiss it as Wonder Woman status when its so much more.
Also that Godzilla trailer is pretty great visually as well.
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[QUOTE=Klaue's Mixtape;3805265]Don't get me wrong I don't think Aquaman is going to be a better movie. Probably not even close. I think BP is better than IW and deserves its praise.
However, there's a bit of of a cut corners vibe from Wakanda. One of the criticisms people point out is that we only saw the people on one street in The Golden City. You'll find a lot of people who feel like Wakanda seemed a bit more impressive in IW as well. Despite not showing all the gadgets and tech, but don't get me started on that..
Coogler reportedly wanted to film a scene where BP runs to all parts of Wakanda and interacts with the people, Muhammad Ali style, but Marvel said no.
Marvel, imo, needs to decide the direction they are going with the sequel. Either bump up the CGI to Infinity War levels or start filming in Africa to give it a more grounded/authentic feel. That way it doesn't look so soundstagey and restricted.[/QUOTE]
I do kind of agree with the criticism that they only showed one street of people walking in the Golden City. I actually wanted to see some other ways of how Wakadan's lived i.e Mode of transportation (Like what we saw in the Ms Marvel comic where Bruno goes to Wakanda), schools, healthcare etc. but I wasn't kind of bothered with that as this was the first movie and Coogler probably didn't want to put everything out in the first movie and also for budgetary reasons.
With the already existing runtime, the scene where T'Challa visits all parts of Wakanda may have made the movie slower so I get why Marvel didn't want to go on that that route.
Just hope Marvel/Feige don't get too comfortable with the franchise.
Who knows? Maybe we could get a Dark Knight situation here.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3805261][B] True, however we did see someone besides Tchallas family take the Herb and be judged by Bast the same way one is judged to be the Black Panther. So it's not a rigged system unless your going to claim that they use a different version of the Herb for the challenge.
Did I say Trump is the flaw? No, stop putting words in my mouth. I said the flaw is in the electoral college. Because the representatives of a State can Vote against what the people in that state want and then it becomes X State has voted for y presidential candidate[/B][/QUOTE]
Certainly Spiderman took the herb (in a scene which made no sense whatsoever), but his powers grant him a degree of immunity to poisoning, so it doesn't retcon Priest's book.
Though yes, it is possible a different herb was used for Killmonger than in other instsnces. It's frankly not that hard to speculate that Hunter flat poisoned him ... but it's hard to say. Course, if that is the case it's a matter of the thing being rigged. Guy outside BP'S family eind, and guy outside BP'S family gets poisoned. It's naive to assume that's coincidental one way or the other.
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[QUOTE=Dboi654;3805319] I actually wanted to see some other ways of how Wakadan's lived i.e Mode of transportation (Like what we saw in the Ms Marvel comic where Bruno goes to Wakanda), schools, healthcare etc. [/QUOTE]
Yeah, me too.
Like tax time, do they have a Wakandan HR block? is turbotax available in Wakanda?
What does the grocery store look like? Do Wakandans have to sell part of their soul to go to Wal-Mart to save a bit of cheddar or do they splurge for Whole Foods?
I wonder what the Wakandan checkbook looks like. How do they balance it? Does the kymoyo do it for them? are their overdraft fees?
What kind of mattresses do they use? Does it have vibranium laced through them so they don't disturb their partner?
Is there Amazan Prime?
Can parents have sex in the house with the kids home because those walls be vibranium laced and block all sound?
I wonder how they fold their laundry?
Do they wash whites with colors in Wakanda?
We DID only see one street. Do other streets have crosswalks? Do pedestrians have the right away?
Do they have a decent plus size clothing selection at Wakandamart?
I would have given BP 10/10 but lack of this riveting stuff drops it to an 4/10 at most.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3805348]Yeah, me too.
Like tax time, do they have a Wakandan HR block? is turbotax available in Wakanda?
What does the grocery store look like? Do Wakandans have to sell part of their soul to go to Wal-Mart to save a bit of cheddar or do they splurge for Whole Foods?
I wonder what the Wakandan checkbook looks like. How do they balance it? Does the kymoyo do it for them? are their overdraft fees?
What kind of mattresses do they use? Does it have vibranium laced through them so they don't disturb their partner?
Is there Amazan Prime?
Can parents have sex in the house with the kids home because those walls be vibranium laced and block all sound?
I wonder how they fold their laundry?
Do they wash whites with colors in Wakanda?
We DID only see one street. Do other streets have crosswalks? Do pedestrians have the right away?
Do they have a decent plus size clothing selection at Wakandamart?
I would have given BP 10/10 but lack of this riveting stuff drops it to an 4/10 at most.[/QUOTE]
Or How Wakandans detect diseases
How do Wakandans deal with Mortgages
Do they pay student loans in Wakanda
Or better yet Do they have barbing Salons in Wakanda?
All that would have made it a 50/10 for me.
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Feige has no power when it comes to how much money they spend on a film. If Bob Iger wants Black Panther 2 cgi to look better, it will. Ryan Coogler can't make the CGI better without more money. That's what happens when you put all the time and money into IW cgi and Black panther still had a better story.
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[QUOTE=Klaue's Mixtape;3805313]And I'm good with the Shakespeare angle. That type of storytelling is why the movie is so great.
However, at the end they tried to go LOTR/Star Wars style. The hope was probably that it would feel intimate, but instead thats when the movie felt small. It really looks like they filmed in some small area in Atlanta and got half effort CGI because the focus was on IW. It becomes jarring.
The movie was trending towards an EPIC conclusion because of the story. However, in terms of execution, resources, it was just a solid ending. I know haters, cynics don't matter, but it really sucks that they couldn't end on a high note so haters wouldn't have anything to latch on. Now they try to dismiss it as Wonder Woman status when its so much more.
Also that Godzilla trailer is pretty great visually as well.[/QUOTE]
[B]Two things. One it was a "Small" affair because it was a family affair. All of Wakanda had not descended into a civil war. It came down literally to cousin vs cousin, and husband vs wife with family and friends choosing sides in between. This wasn't half of Wakanda vs the other half.
Also even if it had an epic ending (it did the ending was very smooth an crisp with a powerful message) haters find something to hate one regardless. Haters have double standards, contradict themselves constantly, and try to downplay the significance of BP. Nothing would of changed that. Infact what the movie has accomplished has proven the haters wrong as it blew away all expectations [/B]
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[QUOTE=XPac;3805324]Certainly Spiderman took the herb (in a scene which made no sense whatsoever), but his powers grant him a degree of immunity to poisoning, so it doesn't retcon Priest's book.
Though yes, it is possible a different herb was used for Killmonger than in other instsnces. It's frankly not that hard to speculate that Hunter flat poisoned him ... but it's hard to say. Course, if that is the case it's a matter of the thing being rigged. Guy outside BP'S family eind, and guy outside BP'S family gets poisoned. It's naive to assume that's coincidental one way or the other.[/QUOTE]
[B]it's naive to think that Hudlin didn't already address this to to where the herb fair to all as now they are judged by their god to determine if they worthy or not. And there is no proof that there are two different types of herbs. Pure speculation[/B]
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Simple solution to the Nakia 'problem':
"Nakia was the name of Bashenga's mate, the first queen of Wakanda. Because of this, it is a very popular name among Wakandan girls, including in the village Malice came from. Since it is a recognizably Wakandan name, external intelligence operatives (a.k.a. 'izinja zemfazwe') tend to use aliases, like 'Malakia' or 'Monica Lynne'."
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3805385][B]it's naive to think that Hudlin didn't already address this to to where the herb fair to all as now they are judged by their god to determine if they worthy or not. And there is no proof that there are two different types of herbs. Pure speculation[/B][/QUOTE]
No, there's no proof that Hunter pulled a fast one. The book tells us the herb is poisonous.
But the point is that Hunter was poisoned. Either the herb poisoned him or someone else did, but either way the point being it was rigged. Hudlin at best retcons the herb being poisonous (though it's usage in the Spider-Man story was ridiculous), but it doesn't retcons that Killmonger was poisoned.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3805348]...Like tax time, do they have a Wakandan HR block? is turbotax available in Wakanda?
What does the grocery store look like? Do Wakandans have to sell part of their soul to go to Wal-Mart to save a bit of cheddar or do they splurge for Whole Foods?
I wonder what the Wakandan checkbook looks like. How do they balance it? Does the kymoyo do it for them? are their overdraft fees?
What kind of mattresses do they use? Does it have vibranium laced through them so they don't disturb their partner?
Is there Amazan Prime?[/QUOTE]Almost all of your questions assume Wakandan use Euro-Western economic models. Everything we saw suggests that they do a lot of things differently.
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3805348]Can parents have sex in the house with the kids home because those walls be vibranium laced and block all sound?
I wonder how they fold their laundry?
Do they wash whites with colors in Wakanda?
We DID only see one street. Do other streets have crosswalks? Do pedestrians have the right away?[/QUOTE]Okay, now this stuff [B][U]matters[/U][/B]! :D
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3805348]Do they have a decent plus size clothing selection at Wakandamart?[/QUOTE]This actually touches on something I've wondered about. Like most Hidden Civilizations in comics, the Wakandans pride themselves on being a superior people (at least in the comics, and some of the comments in the film suggest that too). Does that mean they simply don't tolerate poor health and lack-luster physical conditioning?
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[QUOTE=blacksonic;3805369]Feige has no power when it comes to how much money they spend on a film. If Bob Iger wants Black Panther 2 cgi to look better, it will. Ryan Coogler can't make the CGI better without more money. That's what happens when you put all the time and money into IW cgi and Black panther still had a better story.[/QUOTE]
Again though, BP got over 200 mill. That's more than almost any other solo marvel movie. So the money was there... which is why it's odd the cgi were so-so. It might have just been a rush job more than anything else.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3805293][B]To me, Aquaman at first glance Looks like starwars underwater. Black panther was more like a look Shakespeare 50 from now[/B][/QUOTE]
Aquaman looked like Aquaman to me.
Trailer was legit and really throws down the Gauntlet for MARVEL as regards Namor in much the same way that Wonder Woman did Captain Marvel.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3805408]No, there's no proof that Hunter pulled a fast one. The book tells us the herb is poisonous.
But the point is that Hunter was poisoned. Either the herb poisoned him or someone else did, but either way the point being it was rigged. Hudlin at best retcons the herb being poisonous (though it's usage in the Spider-Man story was ridiculous), but it doesn't retcons that Killmonger was poisoned.[/QUOTE]
[B] Because he doesn't need to? He retconned the HSH so that anyone can take it and they are judged by Bast
We saw this happen. That is the new Canon for how the herb works[/B]
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3805428]Aquaman looked like Aquaman to me.
Trailer was legit and really throws down the Gauntlet for MARVEL as regards Namor in much the same way that Wonder Woman did Captain Marvel.[/QUOTE]
[B]To be frank, I don't Read or know anything about Aquaman, and I think it looks unique just like Black panther, but people were making comparisons to what it reminded them of and at first glance that is where I would point.
And also I'm not into this whole Marvel vs DC thing
I like good movies regardless of what company they come from. And so far it looks good. It could possibly help set DC on the right track Which helps fans of these heroes in General. Everybody wins when there favorite heroes are shown looking legit[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3805434][B] Because he doesn't need to? He retconned the HSH so that anyone can take it and they are judged by Bast
We saw this happen. That is the new Canon for how the herb works[/B][/QUOTE]
I don't know why you're arguing with someone who habitually acts as if Hudlin's run never happened? Lol!
It's a bit like the ridiculous Dora Milaje teenage bride business introduced by Priest.
Hudlin's BP run completely moved away from that by aging up the Dora Milaje but some still chose to keep pushing an angle that had been repurposed for close to a decade whilst wilfully ignoring the FACT that child marriage for kids as young as 12 is actually recognised in at least 24 States in the USA. :smh:
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3805434][B] Because he doesn't need to? He retconned the HSH so that anyone can take it and they are judged by Bast
We saw this happen. That is the new Canon for how the herb works[/B][/QUOTE]
Except nothing in either run states that Killmonger was judged by Bast. Certainly Spider-man wasn't as far as what we saw on panel when he took the herb in that ridiculous scene.
You can speculate that this is what happened, but that's no different than speculating Hunter poisoned him. It's not an unreasonable assumption but nothing on panel verified this is what happened. As it stands, the books explanation is still that the herb poisoned him.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3805441][B]To be frank, I don't Read or know anything about Aquaman, and I think it looks unique just like Black panther, but people were making comparisons to what it reminded them of and at first glance that is where I would point.
And also I'm not into this whole Marvel vs DC thing
I like good movies regardless of what company they come from. And so far it looks good. It could possibly help set DC on the right track Which helps fans of these heroes in General. Everybody wins when there favorite heroes are shown looking legit[/B][/QUOTE]
Agreed 100%.
I like Jason Momoah's Aquaman. :cool:
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You also have to remember that the only person who said the herb was poisonous outside the royal line was Killmonger... and unreliable narrator who has had various enhancements done to him via outside means no one knows about.
Kinda like what Samuels said to Blonsky in Incredible Hulk, "I don't know how much you got inside you already"
T'challa, in the same run, didn't say it was poisonous. And let Kasper try to get access to it... in the same run.
It is murky, but throughout the history of the HSH, circumstantial evidence around whether the herb is truly poisonous outside the royal line leans towards it being not poisonous.
It is all speculation. Last time the herb was given to a non royal line, spider-man, he was good. Which would make the mos trecent canon say its not. It is also speculation that Parker would have an immunity to an herb only found in one place in the world. T'challa didn't seem too worried about it.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3805487]You also have to remember that the only person who said the herb was poisonous outside the royal line was Killmonger... and unreliable narrator who has had various enhancements done to him via outside means no one knows about.
Kinda like what Samuels said to Blonsky in Incredible Hulk, "I don't know how much you got inside you already"
T'challa, in the same run, didn't say it was poisonous. And let Kasper try to get access to it... in the same run.
The circumstantial evidence around whether the herb is truly poisonous outside the royal line says it's not.[/QUOTE]
And that's why I would argue it's very reasonable to assume Hunter poisoned him. It's not something which can be proven on panel, so it's little more than just speculation. But he was acting kinda shady.
On the flip side though, if Spider man is the only person outside Tchallas family not poisoned, it's not great proof that it is poisonous since Peter has a degree of resistance to it.
This may just fall on the next guy to clear up, because that whole Spider-Man thing just sort of muddied the water.