[QUOTE=Random4;3485433]i still don't like the idea of Black Panther beating Logos
thats ridiculous
not a slight against T'challa or anything, but just the general concept[/QUOTE]
You definitely live up to your user name.
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[QUOTE=Random4;3485433]i still don't like the idea of Black Panther beating Logos
thats ridiculous
not a slight against T'challa or anything, but just the general concept[/QUOTE]
You definitely live up to your user name.
[QUOTE=Yaw;3485309]With that post do u really think s/he is a comrade?[/QUOTE]
If I wasn't do you think I'd be so upset? My post was paraphrasing some of the comments I've seen. I blame Ryan Coogler because this must have been the result he wanted as writer and director.
[QUOTE=Yaw;3485309]With that post do u really think s/he is a comrade?[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Comrade, troll, someone just saying stuff to get a reaction by spouting hearsay or nonsense.[/COLOR]
Whatever. As soon as you leave this bubble you run into "BP was the least interesting character" comments in every discussion. Coogler did even worse than Coates in undermining the character.
[QUOTE=Yaw;3485309]With that post do u really think s/he is a comrade?[/QUOTE]
Apart from a select, dedicated few, there are no comrades here.
[QUOTE=Punjabi_Hitman;3485364]You know what feats we can learn from T’Challa. Putting 100% faith into old ways gets you nowhere. That empathy doesn’t make you weak. Us men learning that embracing woman as leaders towards progress is just as effective or even better than just men.
T’Challa learned more from one movie, than Cap did in 3. Why? Because he understood what you think is right isn’t always the case and that putting 100% faith into a system isn’t for the best either. Listening to what others have to say not just men but woman as well and not just people from your own country but people from others as well is the better approach. Embracing change, empathy, nuance, and incorporating it all into finding the best path forward is the way, not forcing your opinion/will on others. Embracing woman and their strengths to help lead the charge. Helping people by making it easier for them to succeed rather than just abandoning them to their own fate. And when you see someone is wrong, stand up to them no matter who they are even if they are your own parents.
Yes woman have Shuri, Okoye, and Nakia to look up to for specific things. But T’Challa has shown what a true MAN should be like.
T’Challa is not the best superhero but the most inspiring MAN in the MCU that every male should inspire to be. Not because he is King of a nation, but because he represents what brings change for the better for everyone. The woman get to shine because he steps aside and doesn’t try to take the spotlight from them. What kind of man does Tony, or Bruce, or Hawkeye, or Thor teach you to be? Other than Cap, no one else has shown they come close.[/QUOTE]
Agreed 100%.
Very nicely stated.
[QUOTE=Shadey;3485478]You definitely live up to your user name.[/QUOTE]
Basically.
I'm suprised you even deigned to respond.
[QUOTE=SKJoker;3485170]Well, here's the thing. I don't necessarily mind Shuri being smarter than him. But outside of the first suit, I don't see much else from him that says "T'Challa is one of the smartest people on Earth." Comparatively, in almost every other adaptation, he's showing off his breadth of knowledge in some way or another. For example, hacking Tony's systems in EMH, or talking science with Nightshade, or keeping up with Reed, and the list goes on. Again, we get the suit thing, but his original suit was basically just bulletproof. And had retractable claws.
Interestingly enough, in the interview with the actors, they say that T'Challa is supposed to be at least as smart as his sister, but nothing really puts him close. Everything he does do feels more subtle. Maybe it's because he's a jack of all trades in a way, but the supporting cast showed off their defining traits in force.
Also, while I do accept using his environment to his advantage as situational awareness, it's not necessarily the cunning we've come to expect from T'Challa. Things felt like they just happened to fall into place. Comic T'Challa would have expected the Jabari to come in, and planned accordingly, among other things. But this depiction felt very "T'Challa lite." When kids say they want to be like MCU T'Challa when they grow up, what feats really come to mind? They want to be kings, they want to be strong. But if you say "what do kids get from Nakia, Okoye, or Shuri?" That's when the actual life-changing part of the movie comes in. It's just not from T'Challa himself.
And the thing is, you don't see that coming up as people hating on T'Challa. It's moreso just... everyone who saw the movie found everyone else more interesting. The people who are coming up with the justifications for why T'Challa had so much impact are the people who were super invested in T'Challa himself - us. Others aren't seeing it or even talking about him. Which kind of makes my point.
EDIT: Just reminds me - the STEM center article I read earlier used Shuri as the cover image.[/QUOTE]
[B]There was nothing to prep for challenge day for the jabari because it was ritual combat. The environmental timing of the train depowering of the suit into a disarm into the roll into the stab to the chest before the suit reforms to the point that Erik is like damn good move, IS cunning we have seen from T'Challa and can expect, not all of tchallas planning is Priest plans upon plans, he also had really good on the fly planning as well, or taking out the car with the energy, of dropping the border tribe and an aircraft in one swift motion, or timing his Fall to disable the traffickers cars.
Plus regardless of civil war, this was T'Challas "Origin story" so you can't expect him to be Priest level planning.
But if you pay attention to the subtle nuances. Tchaka tells him to surround himself with people he trusts, so he does that, he Showed some prep by bugging Ross. There are alot of things Tchalla does in the movie that are more nuanced. He wasn't cracking one liners like Shuri but look at how those back and forths go, they only work so well Based on how he responds to her. I think because T'Challa was more subtle in his approach (just like the comics) people take it as being overshadowed but the dude hit all the ranges, from funny, to empathic, to loyal, to serious, to anger, emotional, proud, etc. By the end of the movie T'Challa was different then when the movie began, and not in the typical ways of "Playboy turned hero" or spoiled Prince turned hero. It was prince embraces that change his needed for his nation, and that they need to do more rather then shut themselves off and stick to the old ways. That's why the scene with him confronting Zuri, and his father, both times were so powerful. There were lots of spotlight stealing in some cases from Nakia Okoye and Shuri, But Tchalla had the most powerful scenes that showed how multifaceted Tchalla AND Chadwick Boseman himself is at pulling those off.
Basically it comes down to the sequels will show an older, more prepared Tchalla as Coogler in interviews stated MCU Tchalla is different, main difference being his father was alive Into adulthood so he wasn't forced into being King at a young age. Being older allows for different stories to be told while he grows as a character [/B]
Regarding 2019 Oscar discussion. I will be stunned if Black Panther isn't nominated for costume design. It's too high profile, and the costumes are something that has garnered near universal acclaim. Even though it's only the end of February I'd bet it has a very good chance at winning as well.
[QUOTE=Pulp Fiction;3485884]Whatever. As soon as you leave this bubble you run into "BP was the least interesting character" comments in every discussion. Coogler did even worse than Coates in undermining the character.[/QUOTE]
The least interesting people are the best ones. They are not out there going they look at me, I'm doing something good, now let everyone know. They are the least interesting because no one notices good deeds being done by good people even when it happens in front of you till someone flashes a catchy headline to bring your attention to it.
That is why everyone thinks T'Challa is the least interesting. He's not yelling at you look I'm having problems like Thing's arrogant ways. Because his struggles are expressed through body language and facial expressions more so than words, mort Will ont notice and chinois ne me one dimensions.
[QUOTE=SKJoker;3485170]Well, here's the thing. I don't necessarily mind Shuri being smarter than him. But outside of the first suit, I don't see much else from him that says "T'Challa is one of the smartest people on Earth." Comparatively, in almost every other adaptation, he's showing off his breadth of knowledge in some way or another. For example, hacking Tony's systems in EMH, or talking science with Nightshade, or keeping up with Reed, and the list goes on. Again, we get the suit thing, but his original suit was basically just bulletproof. And had retractable claws.
Interestingly enough, in the interview with the actors, they say that T'Challa is supposed to be at least as smart as his sister, but nothing really puts him close. Everything he does do feels more subtle. Maybe it's because he's a jack of all trades in a way, but the supporting cast showed off their defining traits in force.
Also, while I do accept using his environment to his advantage as situational awareness, it's not necessarily the cunning we've come to expect from T'Challa. Things felt like they just happened to fall into place. Comic T'Challa would have expected the Jabari to come in, and planned accordingly, among other things. But this depiction felt very "T'Challa lite." When kids say they want to be like MCU T'Challa when they grow up, what feats really come to mind? They want to be kings, they want to be strong. But if you say "what do kids get from Nakia, Okoye, or Shuri?" That's when the actual life-changing part of the movie comes in. It's just not from T'Challa himself.
And the thing is, you don't see that coming up as people hating on T'Challa. It's moreso just... everyone who saw the movie found everyone else more interesting. The people who are coming up with the justifications for why T'Challa had so much impact are the people who were super invested in T'Challa himself - us. Others aren't seeing it or even talking about him. Which kind of makes my point.
EDIT: Just reminds me - the STEM center article I read earlier used Shuri as the cover image.[/QUOTE]
As much as I love the movie, I gotta agree. Every time I come across a comment about "T'challa is the weakest link of the movie" or "he's too reactive he's made into second fiddle in his own movie" (and this is a very common sentiment outside this thread), I feel so disheartened because while other heroes like Iron Man and Cap have their defining traits enhanced in their cinematic versions, a lot of T'challa's traits are watered down or straight-up robbed away from him. Somehow I kinda see it coming considering that Ryan Coogler's muse MBJ stars as the main villain; of course he will give the juiciest role to his golden boy.
[QUOTE=Random4;3485433]i still don't like the idea of Black Panther beating Logos
thats ridiculous
not a slight against T'challa or anything, but just the general concept[/QUOTE]
Batman does this and no one bats an eye ...
Lol some of yall reaching like crazy
T'Challa was fine Chadwick did his thing
[QUOTE=Jabare;3486257]Batman does this and no one bats an eye ...[/QUOTE]
In all fairness there are plenty of things Batman does which people will bat their eyes at.
[QUOTE=mustapantteri;3486231]As much as I love the movie, I gotta agree. Every time I come across a comment about "T'challa is the weakest link of the movie" or "he's too reactive he's made into second fiddle in his own movie" (and this is a very common sentiment outside this thread), I feel so disheartened because while other heroes like Iron Man and Cap have their defining traits enhanced in their cinematic versions, a lot of T'challa's traits are watered down or straight-up robbed away from him. Somehow I kinda see it coming considering that Ryan Coogler's muse MBJ stars as the main villain; of course he will give the juiciest role to his golden boy.[/QUOTE]
[B]That's reaching Really. Kilmonger was freshed out to be an actual Villain with substance. I'll quote this from a different thread as people seem to forget the comics and MCU versions are different:[/B]
[Quote]But that's true of the practically the entire MCU. Comic book Thor is has displayed ten times the power level of movie Thor. Movie hammer only shots lightning, comic hammer shoots many forms of energy and can vaporize a quarter of a planet. Comic book Hulk could probably beat movie Hulk with one hand. Comic book Iron Man's armor has more gadgets. Gamora in comics is the most dangerous woman in the Galaxy and comic Drax once ripped out Thanos' heart.
Even Starlord's gun in the comics is a hundred times better than the movie's . And so on[/quote]