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[QUOTE=ed2962;355513]Three years ago was simply the most recent script tweeking. The movie's been in and out of development for at least 15 years. But yeah, I agree we shouldn't be getting too excited over every rumor.[/QUOTE]
no it hasn't. Marvel's Film Studios haven't been around 15 years.
Are you talking about when Wesley Snipes tried to get a BP film made? That's different and was never going to happen. From what I hear no studios or studio heads gave that any attention. 15 years ago it would take someone like Oprah backing the film and getting a few other people involved. Hypothetical scenario since Oprah wouldn't be that interested, but you know what I mean.
Basically ever since Guardians of the Galaxy was announced instead of BP and that quote came out about the rigors of doing a BP film, as oppose to a Thor or Guardians of the Galaxy film, I gave up what little hope I had of a BP solo film.
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Have to agree Jabare. as long as Feige is in charge I have no hope
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[QUOTE=Jabare;358481]no it hasn't. Marvel's Film Studios haven't been around 15 years.
Are you talking about when Wesley Snipes tried to get a BP film made? That's different and was never going to happen. From what I hear no studios or studio heads gave that any attention. 15 years ago it would take someone like Oprah backing the film and getting a few other people involved. Hypothetical scenario since Oprah wouldn't be that interested, but you know what I mean.
Basically ever since Guardians of the Galaxy was announced instead of BP and that quote came out about the rigors of doing a BP film, as oppose to a Thor or Guardians of the Galaxy film, I gave up what little hope I had of a BP solo film.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JaggedFel;358500]Have to agree Jabare. as long as Feige is in charge I have no hope[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://i39.tinypic.com/s31rhh.jpg[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=Jabare;358481]no it hasn't. Marvel's Film Studios haven't been around 15 years.
Are you talking about when Wesley Snipes tried to get a BP film made? That's different and was never going to happen. From what I hear no studios or studio heads gave that any attention. 15 years ago it would take someone like Oprah backing the film and getting a few other people involved. Hypothetical scenario since Oprah wouldn't be that interested, but you know what I mean.
Basically ever since Guardians of the Galaxy was announced instead of BP and that quote came out about the rigors of doing a BP film, as oppose to a Thor or Guardians of the Galaxy film, I gave up what little hope I had of a BP solo film.[/QUOTE]
It's [I]sorta[/I] what I was referring to, but my main point was that the scripts and proposals have been floating around for years. Heck, I think a BP film was probably more likely to happened back then with Wesley and Goyer expressing interest and coming off the success of the Blade movie. People who had the money to back the project said no then, just like they're doing to Marvel Productions now that MP has the rights back.
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Point Man: "Thanks Kevin!"
Kevin Feige: "What for?"
Point Man: "The attention you gave Black Panther in this link right here..."
[url]http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=54442[/url]
Kevin Feige: "But I didn't mention Black Panther at all!"
Point Man: "Exactly!"
Kevin Feige: "Sometimes I just don't get you man!"
Point Man: "Less is more!"
Kevin Feige: "WTF does that mean?"
Point Man: "You mentioned Neil Degrasse Tyson's Cosmos so you are slowly acclimating yourself to intelligent black men!"
Kevin Feige: "Well I guess so uhm... What are you watching there?"
Point Man: "It's a fan made Black Panther film!"
Kevin Feige: "Not bad but we would have put more technological advancements in that scene!"
Point Man: "Really!"
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;357554]You aint ready for it but this was posted on blacksciencefictionsociety.com... This is so Rated R but quite good for a Black Panther fan film!
[video=youtube_share;UVVBSYuAu5c]http://youtu.be/UVVBSYuAu5c[/video][/QUOTE]
Yo....
yo!!
YO!
I'm bout to spread this over the internet like a virus.
Amazing!!
to hell with marvel, I'll fund a kickstarter for these guys to make it an hour long
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[QUOTE=ed2962;358774]It's [I]sorta[/I] what I was referring to, but my main point was that the scripts and proposals have been floating around for years. Heck, I think a BP film was probably more likely to happened back then with Wesley and Goyer expressing interest and coming off the success of the Blade movie. People who had the money to back the project said no then, just like they're doing to Marvel Productions now that MP has the rights back.[/QUOTE]
yeah but I feel the landscape now is different. Blade gave studios confidence in these types of films giving us Spider-Man and the X-men and all these otehr films.
But now Superhero films are a genre all their own and insanely profitable. Marvel's making movies about Z listers (well formerly Z listers, I guess they are A listers now) the Guardians of the Galaxy. Basically there's the strong belief right now if you attach Marvel's name to something it will sell like hotcakes. I don't know how long this success will go on, but they haven't made an economical misstep yet . I mean I personally think they missed some opportunities by not pushing some other properties, but every film they've made since 2008 has been a hit at the box office.
A Black Panther film is far more viable now than it was back than, in terms of promotion, production (special effects) and interest from actors and the general audience.
Prior to 2008 over half my friends and family didn't even know who Ironman was, now he's a global icon.
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[QUOTE=Jabare;358804]yeah but I feel the landscape now is different. Blade gave studios confidence in these types of films giving us Spider-Man and the X-men and all these otehr films.
But now Superhero films are a genre all their own and insanely profitable. Marvel's making movies about Z listers (well formerly Z listers, I guess they are A listers now) the Guardians of the Galaxy. Basically there's the strong belief right now if you attach Marvel's name to something it will sell like hotcakes. I don't know how long this success will go on, but they haven't made an economical misstep yet . I mean I personally think they missed some opportunities by not pushing some other properties, but every film they've made since 2008 has been a hit at the box office.
A Black Panther film is far more viable now than it was back than, in terms of promotion, production (special effects) and interest from actors and the general audience.
Prior to 2008 over half my friends and family didn't even know who Ironman was, now he's a global icon.[/QUOTE]
I see what you're saying and I definitely agree that the superhero genre has become a viable film genre, but I think it's more certain franchises within that genre that are insanely popular rather than the genre itself. There's still things Marvel Productions can't get made and we can look at a number of superhero (not saying MP) movies over several years that have under performed. I personally don't think that you can sell a movie based on Marvel's name alone...otherwise we'd be seeing folks dusting off those old Silver Surfer and Submariner scripts. Other studios wouldn't have let the rights to several characters revert back to Marvel. Sure they wouldn't be technically Marvel Productions, but they could still advertise them as "based on Marvel Comics characters." (like Sony and Fox) Plus, I don't think the movie going general public cares any more about Marvel/DC/Dark Horse than they care about which film is affiliated with say MGM vs Universal.
Now, a Black Panther movie if it got made [B]IS[/B] more likely to get a big push (promotion, write ups, etc) now days, but again...Hollywood execs have to want to green-light it. And that's out of Marvel Productions hands.
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[QUOTE=ed2962;359103]I see what you're saying and I definitely agree that the superhero genre has become a viable film genre, but I think it's more certain franchises within that genre that are insanely popular rather than the genre itself. There's still things Marvel Productions can't get made and we can look at a number of superhero (not saying MP) movies over several years that have under performed. [B]I personally don't think that you can sell a movie based on Marvel's name alone.[/B]..otherwise we'd be seeing folks dusting off those old Silver Surfer and Submariner scripts. Other studios wouldn't have let the rights to several characters revert back to Marvel. Sure they wouldn't be technically Marvel Productions, but they could still advertise them as "based on Marvel Comics characters." Plus, I think the movie going general public cares and more than they care about which film is affiliated with say MGM vs Universal.
Now, a Black Panther movie if it got made is more likely to get a big push (promotion, write ups, etc) now days, but again...Hollywood execs have to want to green-light it. And that's out of Marvel Productions hands.[/QUOTE]
I completely disagree with this.
Guardians of the Galaxy is a prime example of Marvel selling a film on their name alone. When that film was announced the general public had no idea who the GOTG were and once they found out the team included a talking tree and raccoon they laughed, but they also said they'd see it because it's a Marvel Studios film.
If a Guardians of the Galaxy film can be made and ends up being successful ANYTHING can get made and be successful.
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[QUOTE=Kasper Cole;359124]I completely disagree with this.
Guardians of the Galaxy is a prime example of Marvel selling a film on their name alone. When that film was announced the general public had no idea who the GOTG were and once they found out the team included a talking tree and raccoon they laughed, but they also said they'd see it because it's a Marvel Studios film.
If a Guardians of the Galaxy film can be made and ends up being successful ANYTHING can get made and be successful.[/QUOTE]
My thing is though, if the general public are going to go see GoTG, it's cuz they think a talking raccoon with a machine gun is funny not because it's a Marvel property.
The general public actually likes silly cartoon characters. They will go to see movies about talking fish, talking toys, talking birds, talking sponges and singing tea cups and singing crabs. They're going to go see a low rent Star Wars/Firefly sci-fi flick with violent cartoon characters in it.
To me this is the same situation as Blade, folks went to see Snipes kill vampires not cuz they cared about Tomb of Dracula or Night stalkers.
However, and this is just my opinion...I think the lack of a Black Panther movie really speaks to mainstream Hollywood's lack of faith in minority led projects more than anything else. It's just like they feel female led movies are a big risk, even though you can point to a number or either black lead of female centric films from the last few years that turned a profit, they'll still look at these movies as flukes and throw all their money at chancy tent pole movies.
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So uh...
I guess we'll have a bit to talk about when it comes to the recent New Avengers issue. I'm very curious as to where Hickman is taking T'Challa, especially after what happened and the implications of it.
I mean, IMO, it was a rock and a hard place situation, and despite there being not much of a choice, I don't blame T'Challa for not making the call. He was always the Illuminati member that wasn't willing to play ball, and no amount of pressure could dissuade that. That decision puts him in a bind though, and I want to see how he gets out of it.
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;357554]You aint ready for it but this was posted on blacksciencefictionsociety.com... This is so Rated R but quite good for a Black Panther fan film!
[video=youtube_share;UVVBSYuAu5c]http://youtu.be/UVVBSYuAu5c[/video][/QUOTE]
Lol I just saw this elsewhere and was going to put it here. It's great and I love BP's dialogue. BP, I think, is sifu Desmond Jackson. He teaches martial arts in Florida.
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[QUOTE=Double 0;359989]So uh...
I guess we'll have a bit to talk about when it comes to the recent New Avengers issue. I'm very curious as to where Hickman is taking T'Challa, especially after what happened and the implications of it.
I mean, IMO, it was a rock and a hard place situation, and despite there being not much of a choice, I don't blame T'Challa for not making the call. He was always the Illuminati member that wasn't willing to play ball, and no amount of pressure could dissuade that. That decision puts him in a bind though, and I want to see how he gets out of it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah... how much more can T'challa take man?
He literally has nothing in his life.
[spoil]I like T'challa looking at the whole picture... if it eventually ends iwth Namor's death. But that is a big if TBH.
T'challa has always been the different Black Panther all around from the very start. It would be like him to look ahead and see the use of Namor instead of killing him instantly.
But he has to kill him eventually or he just looks like a chump
I am glad he couldn't pull the trigger though[/spoil]
I wonder what Bast is thinking about all of this. Regretting her choice? Proud? Is this what she expected?
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;360119]Yeah... how much more can T'challa take man?
He literally has nothing in his life.
[spoil]I like T'challa looking at the whole picture... if it eventually ends iwth Namor's death. But that is a big if TBH.
T'challa has always been the different Black Panther all around from the very start. It would be like him to look ahead and see the use of Namor instead of killing him instantly.
But he has to kill him eventually or he just looks like a chump
I am glad he couldn't pull the trigger though[/spoil]
I wonder what Bast is thinking about all of this. Regretting her choice? Proud? Is this what she expected?[/QUOTE]
At this point, he has all the justification in the world to kill him, lol.
As for Bast... Oh boy, Bast has some explaining to do.
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[QUOTE=Double 0;360135]At this point, he has all the justification in the world to kill him, lol.
[B]As for Bast... Oh boy, Bast has some explaining to do[/B].[/QUOTE]
You guys are forgetting something. T'challa role is salvation.
That's a spiritual redemption, and I think we're going to see that played out.
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[QUOTE=Spear of Bashenga;360179]You guys are forgetting something. T'challa role is salvation.
That's a spiritual redemption, and I think we're going to see that played out.[/QUOTE]
Ah, good catch.
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The great thing about T'challa IMO is...
[spoil]I think it would have been in character for him to pull the trigger or do what he did in this issue and breakdown. [/spoil]
but..
[spoil]his own father abandoning him like that seems a bit... harsh. T'chaka raised T'challa to be different. He is the one who sent him outside of Wakanda for school and such, no? [/spoil]
and...
[spoil] those KoD powers haven't exactly worked out lol[/spoil]
I am down to see where this ride takes us. There is no way Hickman is going to be allowed to destory BB, Reed, T'challa, Hulk, Strange, Beast as characters. He is going to have to put the pieces back together to an extent by the time the end runs. Plus, super heroes have to end up on top eventually as that is just part of the genre.
We could see an epic rise from the ashes from T'challa and Co.
I just wish this book double shipped....
When does the time jump happen?
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;360254]
When does the time jump happen?[/QUOTE]
I think #24 or #25.
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Awesome issue of NA. I feel bad for T'challa
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;360254]The great thing about T'challa IMO is...
[spoil]I think it would have been in character for him to pull the trigger or do what he did in this issue and breakdown. [/spoil]
but..
[spoil]his own father abandoning him like that seems a bit... harsh. T'chaka raised T'challa to be different. He is the one who sent him outside of Wakanda for school and such, no? [/spoil][/QUOTE]
He did but I understand why T'chaka was mad. He didn't go to the extreme to protect Wakanda.
[spoil]I'm happy he didn't pull the trigger people would hold that against him forever like that cure for cancer nonsense[/spoil]
The next issue of NA comes out next week
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;360119]Yeah... how much more can T'challa take man?
He literally has nothing in his life.
[spoil]I like T'challa looking at the whole picture... if it eventually ends iwth Namor's death. But that is a big if TBH.
T'challa has always been the different Black Panther all around from the very start. It would be like him to look ahead and see the use of Namor instead of killing him instantly.
But he has to kill him eventually or he just looks like a chump
I am glad he couldn't pull the trigger though[/spoil]
I wonder what Bast is thinking about all of this. Regretting her choice? Proud? Is this what she expected?[/QUOTE]
If you take the stuff Bast says to Tchalla in the FF story where she gives him the mission in the first place, its not clear at all that she ever wanted him to push the button.
She may have wanted him to find a way NOT to push the button at all.
Remember Bast gave him a choice and told him that Wakanda needed MORE than a king. The dead kings all would have pushed the button. So would Shuri.
If Bast had wanted a button pusher, she would have just picked Shuri from the jump.
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[QUOTE=Double 0;360135][B]At this point, he has all the justification in the world to kill him, lol.[/B]
As for Bast... Oh boy, Bast has some explaining to do.[/QUOTE]
i've become more and more convinced that it's coming. Notice T'Challa always says he wont kill him as long as he feels he still need him. He never says all is forgiven on that he wont kill him.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;360579]If you take the stuff Bast says to Tchalla in the FF story where she gives him the mission in the first place, its not clear at all that she ever wanted him to push the button.
She may have wanted him to find a way NOT to push the button at all.
Remember Bast gave him a choice and told him that Wakanda needed MORE than a king. The dead kings all would have pushed the button. So would Shuri.
If Bast had wanted a button pusher, she would have just picked Shuri from the jump.[/QUOTE]
it should also be kept in mind that she said Reed and T'Challa's fates were going to be tied together and they'd need to lean on one another. we really hadn't seen much of that until today.
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Is it too early to post scans? I loved this panel
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/D0tRQxj.jpg[/IMG]
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Well I'm with T'Chaka on the Namor part. Thats why Shuri is Black Panther now and ruler of Wakanda.
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That side-eye T'Chaka is giving him is straight up lethal.
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Force Ghost T'chaka is cold man...
[img]http://s12.postimg.org/taein18od/1406731353114.jpg[/img]
So, T'challa's present pretty much sucks and his eternity will as well.
Thanks Bast lol
Well, I think we know why Reed is his "second" or "brother." T'challa literally has no one else. No family, no doras, non kingdom, no ghosts... all he has left is Reed really.
And God, that art sucks. Soem fo the panels T'challa looks 12.
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[QUOTE=Jabare;360822]Well I'm with T'Chaka on the Namor part. Thats why Shuri is Black Panther now and ruler of Wakanda.[/QUOTE]
Hickman keeps reiterating Namor will die AFTER he is no longer useful.
There is no reason to keep bringing it up again and again unless it means something.
I believe 100% T'challa will end Namor now. 100%. It will just be AFTER Namor isn't useful to him.
I think T'challa is 10 steps ahead of Ghost Panthers.
And Hell, Namor already proved useful. Everyone would be dead right now without Namor. EVERYONE.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;360858]Hickman keeps reiterating Namor will die AFTER he is no longer useful.
There is no reason to keep bringing it up again and again unless it means something.
I believe 100% T'challa will end Namor now. 100%. It will just be AFTER Namor isn't useful to him.
I think T'challa is 10 steps ahead of Ghost Panthers.
And Hell, Namor already proved useful. Everyone would be dead right now without Namor. EVERYONE.[/QUOTE]
people were saying that after AvX. I don't see Namor dieing. somehow there will be some magical kumbaya and everyone will get over it just like characters did Civil War and World War Hulk and all the other horrible things that no real person would let go off.
T'Challa was on point back in 2006
[IMG]http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/starwolf_oakley/11581300/484456/484456_1000.jpg[/IMG]
This is my T'Challa. This is the dude who was 2o steps ahead and wouldn't have gone along with this foolishness in the first place.
I barely bring it up, because I don't post in this thread nearly as much as I use to on the old forums. Honestly, I don't expect T'Challa to kill him and at this point I'm kind of over it.
Besides we bring up the same old topics all the time. I hate seeing that picture of Storm beating on T'Challa but every few weeks someone always posts it. (I'm looking at you Maj :p ).
I already gave Namor props in the New Avengers discussion thread. Well as much props as I'm willing to give current Namor.
I'll just patiently wait for the inevitable Marvel Universe reboot or retcon so T'Challa gets his kingship back.
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I enjoyed this issue. I think it really emphasized the the fact that T'Challa more than the others really wrestles with the moral implications of their actions.
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Man, I think only T'challa can see the ghosts...
The illuminati probably think he was having a nervous breakdown.
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[QUOTE=Jabare;360955]people were saying that after AvX. I don't see Namor dieing. somehow there will be some magical kumbaya and everyone will get over it just like characters did Civil War and World War Hulk and all the other horrible things that no real person would let go off.
T'Challa was on point back in 2006
[IMG]http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/starwolf_oakley/11581300/484456/484456_1000.jpg[/IMG]
This is my T'Challa. This is the dude who was 2o steps ahead and wouldn't have gone along with this foolishness in the first place.
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I disagree with the notion that the portrayals are that different. The situations are very different this time. For one, it started on his turf and no matter what happens, it will affect Wakanda. And also, if he had decided to tell the wider community instead of keeping it low-key, more so than even the Kree-Skrull War, this would have caused wide-scale panic and some questionable moves.
And I don't just mean by other heroes (though one of them could have called Cap Britain earlier), but also by the villains, like a certain rival of Reed Richards. To many moving parts for a situation this big.
There's no way he could either ignore it or work by himself because that wouldn't be as effective.
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[QUOTE=Double 0;361019]I disagree with the notion that the portrayals are that different. The situations are very different this time. For one, it started on his turf and no matter what happens, it will affect Wakanda. And also, if he had decided to tell the wider community instead of keeping it low-key, more so than even the Kree-Skrull War, this would have caused wide-scale panic and some questionable moves.
And I don't just mean by other heroes (though one of them could have called Cap Britain earlier), but also by the villains, like a certain rival of Reed Richards. To many moving parts for a situation this big.
There's no way he could either ignore it or work by himself because that wouldn't be as effective.[/QUOTE]
Oh I don't think he could of ignored it, but I do think he could have involved more people. I'm not suggesting he tells Doctor Doom (although he's suppose to be a hero now), but this is a matter where I think it would have been prudent to bring in some more heroes such as the Avengers. I don't really know how things are in X-men land but if they are stable maybe even bring in the X-men. I think the Illuminati limited themselves and their options by moving in the shadows and only relying on their group.
I'm not saying they put it out youtube or announce it on CNN, but telling the Avengers and informing Shuri seem like good ideas. T'Challa is someone that trusts his family imo.
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[QUOTE=Jabare;361061]Oh I don't think he could of ignored it, but I do think he could have involved more people. I'm not suggesting he tells Doctor Doom (although he's suppose to be a hero now), but this is a matter where I think it would have been prudent to bring in some more heroes such as the Avengers. I don't really know how things are in X-men land but if they are stable maybe even bring in the X-men. I think the Illuminati limited themselves and their options by moving in the shadows and only relying on their group.
I'm not saying they put it out youtube or announce it on CNN, but telling the Avengers and informing Shuri seem like good ideas. T'Challa is someone that trusts his family imo.[/QUOTE]
You could look at it as if Bast wanted Shuri to know... she would have just told her. There is a reason she chose T'challa.
I do agree they could involve others (like you know... Reeds god like Son) but... comic books. Sometimes you just gotta shrug and say "comic books."
And plus, everyone thought they could do what was necessary and involving others who may NOT have been able to do it (like Cap) would have been problematic.
They just now figured out they COULDN'T do it... except Strange and Namor.
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[QUOTE=Jabare;361061]Oh I don't think he could of ignored it, but I do think he could have involved more people. I'm not suggesting he tells Doctor Doom (although he's suppose to be a hero now), but this is a matter where I think it would have been prudent to bring in some more heroes such as the Avengers. I don't really know how things are in X-men land but if they are stable maybe even bring in the X-men. I think the Illuminati limited themselves and their options by moving in the shadows and only relying on their group.
I'm not saying they put it out youtube or announce it on CNN, but telling the Avengers and informing Shuri seem like good ideas. T'Challa is someone that trusts his family imo.[/QUOTE]
This Story is based on that Story. But when you really look at it, Bendis just used that to exclude him. He was excluded. That's all that scene did. Hickman took it and is going to use it to once again prove the scene right, but without excluding him and putting him at the front of a major story.
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Marvel.com: Do you find it easier to side with the Black Panther or with the other characters’ thinking when it comes to the ethics of the Illuminati? Do you think it’s a good idea?
Jonathan Hickman: No, I think it’s a terrible idea. And that’s kind of the beauty of it. I’m writing it in a necessary evil kind of way. I think some of the best gray morality tales take place in scenarios where decent people are forced to do indecent things for a greater cause. And so that’s what the book is kind of about, and that’s why the Black Panther is so important. In this group of guys, if there is a moral center to the group, it would be him. That’s kind of how that whole mechanism works.
Black Panther
Marvel.com: How would Black Panther put into words what he thinks the Illuminati represents? What is it that he doesn’t so much like?
Jonathan Hickman: I think he would probably say that this is the kind of thinking that is a very anachronistic way of looking at society. And by that, I’m saying that even though Black Panther is a king, he’s smart enough to understand that aristocracy is not the lynchpin of the future of the human race. This has all of the substructure of a bunch of aristocrats getting together and deciding what’s best for all of the people, and I think most people would argue that society now and society going forward has moved beyond that.[/quote]
[quote]Marvel.com: And Black Panther? You said he’s royalty, but he also has really good intentions coming into it?
Jonathan Hickman: If there’s a character that embodies the hope that all of this is going to turn out ok, and that these guys are going to do to the right thing all the time, and that they are going to somehow overcome these circumstances and be the heroes that we all want them to be, that it’s somehow going to be facilitated through them, then that’s Black Panther.
Marvel.com: Is there something innate in Black Panther that makes him more hopeful than the others?
Jonathan Hickman: Yeah, he was wise enough to say no. He was wise enough at the beginning of this thing to say, oh, this was a bad idea. It’s not that he’s not arrogant; it’s not that he’s not royalty; it’s not that he’s not all those things that define men of power. But even being that, he was wise enough to see what a bad idea this was.[/quote]
The interesting thing is what he mentioned here is showing up.
I also think Namor is a dead man. He might not kill him next issue, but before it's done. Dude is dead.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;361079]You could look at it as if Bast wanted Shuri to know... she would have just told her. There is a reason she chose T'challa.
I do agree they could involve others (like you know... Reeds god like Son) but... comic books. Sometimes you just gotta shrug and say "comic books."
And plus, everyone thought they could do what was necessary and involving others who may NOT have been able to do it (like Cap) would have been problematic.
They just now figured out they COULDN'T do it... except Strange and Namor.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Or else you would never have drama. I Liked the Bendis-Illuminati Panther. Good scene, but that was it. Sometimes you need drama and tension. I like stories with both. How characters deal with those situations makes the stories.
As I said in the review thread, I'm convinced that blowing up the earths isn't the way to stop it. Hickman said long ago that Cap was right. So when when T'challa threw down the bomb, I was like yes. :shrugs:
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[QUOTE=Victor Freeman;361364]This Story is based on that Story. But when you really look at it, Bendis just used that to exclude him. He was excluded. That's all that scene did. Hickman took it and is going to use it to once again prove the scene right, but without excluding him and putting him at the front of a major story.
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I know he was excluded and I'm fine with that. The Illuminati was just a retcon made by Bendis in 2005 that appeared for a handful of times in the original New Avengers title. At the time BP had otehr things going on his own solo and defending Wakanda etc. Besides outside of that wonderful scene Bendis can't write BP, nor do I think he wants too. Just a guess but I don't think he's big on the character. I'm actually still amazed at how highly competent and authorattative bendis portrays BP in this scene, compard to how terribly he's written him in other instances.
Will see about Namor. I think your all counting your chickens before they hatch. I could easily see Namor surviving ad we know he's alive in October because of the All-New Invaders
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[QUOTE=Jabare;361683]I know he was excluded and I'm fine with that. The Illuminati was just a retcon made by Bendis in 2005 that appeared for a handful of times in the original New Avengers title. At the time BP had otehr things going on his own solo and defending Wakanda etc. Besides outside of that wonderful scene Bendis can't write BP, nor do I think he wants too. Just a guess but I don't think he's big on the character. I'm actually still amazed at how highly competent and authorattative bendis portrays BP in this scene, compard to how terribly he's written him in other instances.
Will see about Namor. I think your all counting your chickens before they hatch. [B]I could easily see Namor surviving ad we know he's alive in October because of the All-New Invaders[/B][/QUOTE]
Everything isn't going to come to a head until next year apparently. It's also looking like Namor is going to put himself in a position where he HAS to be taken out.
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[QUOTE=Jabare;361683]I know he was excluded and I'm fine with that. The Illuminati was just a retcon made by Bendis in 2005 that appeared for a handful of times in the original New Avengers title. At the time BP had otehr things going on his own solo and defending Wakanda etc. Besides outside of that wonderful scene Bendis can't write BP, nor do I think he wants too. Just a guess but I don't think he's big on the character. I'm actually still amazed at how highly competent and authorattative bendis portrays BP in this scene, compard to how terribly he's written him in other instances.
Will see about Namor. I think your all counting your chickens before they hatch. I could easily see Namor surviving ad we know he's alive in October because of the All-New Invaders[/QUOTE]
Indeed was a good scene, but after that T'challa was no where to be found in that major book or the Avengers really. Notice how they might do the World War Hulk (Movie). Look how easy it is to exclude T'challa, who similarly was left out of stories in the past (in a different manner though).That scene while good, is overrated for that reason. It's like two pages. Instead of being actually involved in the story--like he is now. I would take Hickman's New Avengers over that scene any day of the week. Where he actually matters to the story and is front and center. But that is just me.
Namor showing up in October means nothing. He not going to die in the next few issues regardless. It will be a climax thing, as It should (If it happens). But It's pretty noticeable that he has a "death flag" flying over his head. This is no different than Secret Warriors and Gorgon making his threat and then fulfilling it at the end to me. Only, he is added more drama and tension to the situation.
In the end, I think T'challa is going to come out looking heroic and will have made the right choice. He has (Hickman) already said that Cap was right choice. I think after this issue T'challa might view what his father said being partly right. Had he killed Namor, Strange might not have had to act and they might have been able to work with GS to figure something out.
I just think dude is going to die, otherwise it's pretty bad writing with the way he is hinting it.
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[QUOTE=Double 0;361019]I disagree with the notion that the portrayals are that different. The situations are very different this time. For one, it started on his turf and no matter what happens, it will affect Wakanda. And also, if he had decided to tell the wider community instead of keeping it low-key, more so than even the Kree-Skrull War, this would have caused wide-scale panic and some questionable moves.
And I don't just mean by other heroes (though one of them could have called Cap Britain earlier), but also by the villains, like a certain rival of Reed Richards. To many moving parts for a situation this big.
There's no way he could either ignore it or work by himself because that wouldn't be as effective.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention that it was clearly shown that he hates the idea of working with them in this way. People are really overlooking how dire the situation actually is and how short on time they are. I don't know of Hickman has done a poor job of getting how dire things actually are of if some readers are just willfully ignoring it.
I have to go back and read the first couple of issues but i thought a reason was given for them keeping things to themselves and even Cap agreed with them doing so. The only problem Cap had was in them putting all options on the table.
People are also making the mistake of thinking they got all their info from Black Swan and that it's wrong. They've independently verified the info, they've see others deal with incursions, and we as readers have seen the nature of incursions from the perspective of others.
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[QUOTE=Jabare;360955]people were saying that after AvX. I don't see Namor dieing. somehow there will be some magical kumbaya and everyone will get over it just like characters did Civil War and World War Hulk and all the other horrible things that no real person would let go off.
T'Challa was on point back in 2006
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This is my T'Challa. This is the dude who was 2o steps ahead and wouldn't have gone along with this foolishness in the first place.
I barely bring it up, because I don't post in this thread nearly as much as I use to on the old forums. Honestly, I don't expect T'Challa to kill him and at this point I'm kind of over it.
Besides we bring up the same old topics all the time. I hate seeing that picture of Storm beating on T'Challa but every few weeks someone always posts it. (I'm looking at you Maj :p ).
I already gave Namor props in the New Avengers discussion thread. Well as much props as I'm willing to give current Namor.
I'll just patiently wait for the inevitable Marvel Universe reboot or retcon so T'Challa gets his kingship back.[/QUOTE]
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