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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;385207]T'Challa refused to pull the trigger because he didn't want that on his conscious, he didn't want that stain on his soul. That's how Hickman wrote the story. And if Bast were so bothered, she would have taken his KotD powers away. Disagreeing with his ancestors doesn't make him wrong or put him at odds with Bast. She's above them.[/QUOTE]
Wakandans died because of the junta doom financed in Doomwar to T'challa he should e the same as Namor.
it is not actually show that T'cahalla's feats in that issue are not technologically based so there is that. The Ancestors work for Bast and manifest through her power any line they take will be based on what Bast wants. Also Bast and T'challa not being close does not necessarily take his powers way especially if it is written in Sampson type way. No reason was given for T'challa not pressing the switch any inference you come up with in relation to that is your own and does not necessary reflect why Hickman had him do it.
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... Have we ever seen Panther give Thanos a heavy beat-down? I'd like to see that for once, not just dealing with lieutenants, but the big man himself.. T'Challa should have detailed files on him..
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[QUOTE=Hypestyle;385618]... Have we ever seen Panther give Thanos a heavy beat-down? I'd like to see that for once, not just dealing with lieutenants, but the big man himself.. T'Challa should have detailed files on him..[/QUOTE]
Odds of that happening are incredibly low.
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[QUOTE=Hypestyle;385618]... Have we ever seen Panther give Thanos a heavy beat-down? I'd like to see that for once, not just dealing with lieutenants, but the big man himself.. T'Challa should have detailed files on him..[/QUOTE]
Has anyone EVERY given Thanos a heavy beatdown?
He did JUST RECENTLY take an enraged Thor's best blasts and asked him if that is all he has
BP would get his handed to him. The detail files on Thanos probably say, "find a deux ex machina right now we are doomed"
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;386173]Has anyone EVERY given Thanos a heavy beatdown?
He did JUST RECENTLY take an enraged Thor's best blasts and asked him if that is all he has
BP would get his handed to him. The detail files on Thanos probably say, "find a deux ex machina right now we are doomed"[/QUOTE]
It would have to be like Batman v Darksied. And that was a pyrrhic victory.
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And I don't care how in character it would have been for T'challa to pull that trigger (I could see him doing it tbh)
I am just glad he didn't. Namor is being pulled down a path I want no part of as a fan.
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[QUOTE=Zuri;385604]Wakandans died because of the junta doom financed in Doomwar to T'challa he should e the same as Namor.
it is not actually show that T'cahalla's feats in that issue are not technologically based so there is that. The Ancestors work for Bast and manifest through her power any line they take will be based on what Bast wants. Also Bast and T'challa not being close does not necessarily take his powers way especially if it is written in Sampson type way. No reason was given for T'challa not pressing the switch any inference you come up with in relation to that is your own and does not necessary reflect why Hickman had him do it.[/QUOTE]
We'll just have to disagree. I stand by my statement.
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Do you think T'Challa will be the one to take out Black Swan/work out her manipulations and stop her?
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[QUOTE=Kieran_Frost;386438]Do you think T'Challa will be the one to take out Black Swan/work out her manipulations and stop her?[/QUOTE]
Nope, I think it's more likely Reed does that. He seems to be much more invested in her than the others. Or it might be Strange since they already seem to have some kind of beef based on him being a sorcerer.
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[QUOTE=Kieran_Frost;386438]Do you think T'Challa will be the one to take out Black Swan/work out her manipulations and stop her?[/QUOTE]
No, I think BP/Namor will be enough.
I have a slight feeling Swan may end up being a "good girl" afterwards somehow.
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I really enjoyed the last issue, it was nice to see T'Challa kick Namor's but on panel.
I know they likely aren't that different in terms of effectiveness than the other claws that he's had, but I really liked the way these ones looked. The same magenta/purple energy as his daggers, but irradiating off with power. It was a cool look and I think his next action figure should come with those as accessory gloves.
I've got to find the e-mail for Marvel's toy line...
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I was just reading the Black Panther wiki, and pretty much all of T'Challa's powers were said to be "enhanced by Bast, but to what extent is unknown."
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[QUOTE=SKJoker;390127]I was just reading the Black Panther wiki, and pretty much all of T'Challa's powers were said to be "enhanced by Bast, but to what extent is unknown."[/QUOTE]
That happens when you have had enhanced powers for all of 20ish issues in a non-action packed book.
What we know for a fact is that T'challa has gone toe-to-toe with the likes of Black Swan and her minions (and ripped one of them in half), Black Dwarf (that was killed by FOUR cosmic powerhouses), Rider (powerset unknown really), and Namor... and beat all their asses.
Sure, we haven't gotten moments where he has lifted cars and building so we can go "see, he is class 40!" or whatever stupid label but whatever.
And honestly, it doesn't matter what happens on panel. The people that do not like him that are very vocal about negatively about his powers are goign to do it no mattter what anyway.
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[QUOTE=Kieran_Frost;386438]Do you think T'Challa will be the one to take out Black Swan/work out her manipulations and stop her?[/QUOTE]
I dont think BP will be the one. I think it will be Namor. ( I am serious)
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[QUOTE=Kieran_Frost;386438]Do you think T'Challa will be the one to take out Black Swan/work out her manipulations and stop her?[/QUOTE]
B swizzle is just another predator ìn this survival of the fittest game and T'Challa will find out that he didn't have to play at all
the way it was explained to him
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;390317]That happens when you have had enhanced powers for all of 20ish issues in a non-action packed book.
What we know for a fact is that T'challa has gone toe-to-toe with the likes of Black Swan and her minions (and ripped one of them in half), Black Dwarf (that was killed by FOUR cosmic powerhouses), Rider (powerset unknown really), and Namor... and beat all their asses.
Sure, we haven't gotten moments where he has lifted cars and building so we can go "see, he is class 40!" or whatever stupid label but whatever.
And honestly, it doesn't matter what happens on panel. The people that do not like him that are very vocal about negatively about his powers are goign to do it no mattter what anyway.[/QUOTE]
Great post. People ignore the fact that "class __" isn't everything. It's clear the T'challa has a insane combination of Intellect, skill, combat speed, technology in tandem with superhuman prowess that is not defined by how much he can lift. He's more in line with the Gorgon (who has never done those feats either) or Midnighter.
Black Widow and Shang-Chi are highly skilled near-peak humans, who lost to Black Dwarf and they had two other people with them. T'challa beat Dwarf (even though it was off panel). So clearly listening to the writer, who has said he is superhuman should not be a problem.
I think the Rider at worst was Batman High-Peak Human prowess, and T'challa clearly out classed him physically. No on is staying that he's 100 class, but his durability isn't peak human. Namor hit him with his mask off and they were trying to kill each other.
You are right, they will try to write it off and down play it. That's the main reason it should not go anywhere.
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[QUOTE=ExcelsiorPrime;390340]I dont think BP will be the one. I think it will be Namor. ( I am serious)[/QUOTE]
That would be a great twist and some sort of redemption for Namor.
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And Namor doesnt pull punches (verbally or physically). This is the main reason I dont get into feats or classification and such, because they are often abandoned for the sake of story.
[QUOTE=Victor Freeman;392026]Great post. People ignore the fact that "class __" isn't everything. It's clear the T'challa has a insane combination of Intellect, skill, combat speed, technology in tandem with superhuman prowess that is not defined by how much he can lift. He's more in line with the Gorgon (who has never done those feats either) or Midnighter.
I think the Rider at worst was Batman High-Peak Human prowess, and T'challa clearly out classed him physically. No on is staying that he's 100 class, but his durability isn't peak human. Namor hit him with his mask off and they were trying to kill each other.
You are right, they will try to write it off and down play it. That's the main reason it should not go anywhere.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Victor Freeman;392026]Great post. People ignore the fact that "class __" isn't everything. It's clear the T'challa has a insane combination of Intellect, skill, combat speed, technology in tandem with superhuman prowess that is not defined by how much he can lift. He's more in line with the Gorgon (who has never done those feats either) or Midnighter.
Black Widow and Shang-Chi are highly skilled near-peak humans, who lost to Black Dwarf and they had two other people with them. T'challa beat Dwarf (even though it was off panel). So clearly listening to the writer, who has said he is superhuman should not be a problem.
I think the Rider at worst was Batman High-Peak Human prowess, and T'challa clearly out classed him physically. No on is staying that he's 100 class, but his durability isn't peak human. Namor hit him with his mask off and they were trying to kill each other.
You are right, they will try to write it off and down play it. That's the main reason it should not go anywhere.[/QUOTE]
Rider seems more Deathstroke like to me. Batman is not shrugging over Namor tossing a trident through him or maybe Bruce when he is wearing his armor.
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[QUOTE=JaggedFel;392060]Rider seems more Deathstroke like to me. Batman is not shrugging over Namor tossing a trident through him or maybe Bruce when he is wearing his armor.[/QUOTE]
Owlman (Batman). He wears a suit of armor. The current Batman is outfitted with a ton of crap including body armor. But Deathstroke is a good guess too. I always thought T'challa was similar to Deathstroke in a few ways.
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;392055]And Namor doesnt pull punches (verbally or physically). This is the main reason I dont get into feats or classification and such, because they are often abandoned for the sake of story.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely, the writers and editors at least at Marvel from what I can tell, do not care for battle board logic. But I think that in the case of T'challa, Namor not pulling punches and T'challa taking it--just showing that T'challa isn't restricted to the limitations that some fans try to place and stick him with.
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Anyway, could the Next Avengers be Marvel's Young Justice (the Animated show). In Avengers World, they are a kill team. I would like to see a teen squad in that role for Marvel.
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[QUOTE=Victor Freeman;392110]Absolutely, the writers and editors at least at Marvel from what I can tell, do not care for battle board logic. But I think that in the case of T'challa, Namor not pulling punches and T'challa taking it--just showing that T'challa isn't restricted to the limitations that some fans try to place and stick him with.[/QUOTE]
Also as far as durability, T'Challa tanked a blast from PF Namor and it didn't stop him. Not to mention the hit he shrugged off from the Herald. I kinda doubt that Luke Cage could do that. I think T'Challa is way more durable now a days.
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[QUOTE=The_Panther;393995]Also as far as durability, T'Challa tanked a blast from PF Namor and it didn't stop him. Not to mention the hit he shrugged off from the Herald. I kinda doubt that Luke Cage could do that. I think T'Challa is way more durable now a days.[/QUOTE]
T'Challa himself isn't more durable than Luke Cage.
T'Challa just wears something made out of a material that absorbs vibrations and kinetic energy and also amplifies mystical energies.
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I can't say I'm a fan of T'challa using grenades that's too batmanish. I hope that's the one and only time he uses those or did he take them from Rider?
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[QUOTE=UltimateTy;394104]I can't say I'm a fan of T'challa using grenades that's too batmanish. I hope that's the one and only time he uses those or did he take them from Rider?[/QUOTE]
I would have preferred they were energy daggers personally. I need some more energy daggers in my life.
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[QUOTE=UltimateTy;394104]I can't say I'm a fan of T'challa using grenades that's too batmanish. I hope that's the one and only time he uses those or did he take them from Rider?[/QUOTE]
He didn't take them from Rider but this is what happens when a writer makes things up on the fly without adequate build up.
To me it appears as if Hickman has incorporated aspects of the Maberry introduced Shadow Physics and Nowhere Room into T'Challa's current repertoire which would explain the energy gauntlets and mini-bombs virtually appearing from out of nowhere (pardon the pun) during T'Challa's brief battle with Namor. (It's not as if T'Challa was wearing a utility belt)
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[QUOTE=Kasper Cole;394103]T'Challa himself isn't more durable than Luke Cage.
T'Challa just wears something made out of a material that absorbs vibrations and kinetic energy and also amplifies mystical energies.[/QUOTE]
I will agree to some point about the suit. BUT there are times when the suit was shredded (PF Namor blast) and he still survived. Also with this recent fight with Namor. He took a full punch to his unprotected face, and just got slightly more bloody then Namor. So for me to say that I doubt Cage could do that then, is not only my opinion but it is steeped in my own knowledge of BP and Cage.
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Yea I was on that rumbles thread a bit this morning. I'm done with that stuff, they aren't even consistent and argue about characters they aren't familiar with.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;394191]He didn't take the from Rider but thi i what happens when a writer makes thin up on the fly without adequate build up.
To me it appears as if Hickman has incorporated aspects of the Maberry introduced Shadow Physics and Nowhere Room into T'Challa's current repertoire which would explain the energy gauntlets and mini-bombs virtually appearing from out of nowhere (pardon the pun) during T'Challa's brief battle with Namor. (It' not as if T'Challa was wearing a utility belt)[/QUOTE]
The gauntlets were part of his gloves but the grenades came from nowhere that's why I thought he got them from Rider
[QUOTE=Spear of Bashenga;394295]Yea I was on that rumbles thread a bit this morning. I'm done with that stuff, they aren't even consistent and argue about characters they aren't familiar with.[/QUOTE]
He seems to do better in the comicvine Battle Threads
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[QUOTE=UltimateTy;394301]The gauntlets were part of his gloves but the grenades came from nowhere that's why I thought he got them from Rider
He seems to do better in the comicvine Battle Threads[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing the people there have actually read his comics.
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T'challas strength isnt so much durability but elusiveness. Its why Muhammad Ali is the greatest. It wasnt because he could take the most punishment, and he often fought stronger opponents. Way stronger.
He was able to excel because he slipped their haymakers and counter-punched. Stunning his opponents. T'challa is the same..he Frustrates foes by making them miss and takes advantage.
Same as Bruce Lee. And most MMA champions.
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[QUOTE=Spear of Bashenga;394321]I'm guessing the people there have actually read his comics.[/QUOTE]
Or people who've actually read his comics with an openly unbiased mind set.
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[QUOTE=ExcelsiorPrime;394368]T'challas strength isnt so much durability but elusiveness. Its why Muhammad Ali is the greatest. It wasnt because he could take the most punishment, and he often fought stronger opponents. Way stronger.
He was able to excel because he slipped their haymakers and counter-punched. Stunning his opponents. T'challa is the same..he Frustrates foes by making them miss and takes advantage.
Same as Bruce Lee. And most MMA champions.[/QUOTE]
Agreed
But (and I am not countering your statement) There is a notable increase in his durability.
Example 1
The Phoenix blast rips through his Habit.
It could be akin to getting hit by a firehose in a ripped wet suit at point blank range.
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Example 2
This show T'Challa not being able to dodge (because Namor had a choke hold on his throat).
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This is what I was referring to. I doubt a pre KotD T'Challa would be able to handle this. Also not to derail the thread I would feel (and I could be wrong) that Cage would be hard pressed to equal these feats.
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[QUOTE=The_Panther;394497]Agreed
But (and I am not countering your statement) There is a notable increase in his durability.
Example 1
The Phoenix blast rips through his Habit.
It could be akin to getting hit by a firehose in a ripped wet suit at point blank range.
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Example 2
This show T'Challa not being able to dodge (because Namor had a choke hold on his throat).
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This is what I was referring to. I doubt a pre KotD T'Challa would be able to handle this. Also not to derail the thread I would feel (and I could be wrong) that Cage would be hard pressed to equal these feats.[/QUOTE]
I feel ya.
I didn't say he wasn't more durable. Just that Panther likes to avoid being hit.
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[QUOTE=ExcelsiorPrime;394566]I feel ya.
I didn't say he wasn't more durable. Just that Panther likes to avoid being hit.[/QUOTE]
True true.
I agree with his fighting style. Getting hit is never really a good thing.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;394404]Or people who've actually read his comics with an openly unbiased mind set.[/QUOTE]
It's a combo if that and they haven't read A comic in a very very very very very long time
Gold medals in mental gymnastics yo
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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;394634]It's a combo if that and they haven't read A comic in a very very very very very long time
Gold medals in mental gymnastics yo[/QUOTE]
Coupled with selective memory/cherry picking protocols in full effect.
Totally uncool.
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[QUOTE=Spear of Bashenga;394295]Yea I was on that rumbles thread a bit this morning. I'm done with that stuff, they aren't even consistent and argue about characters they aren't familiar with.[/QUOTE]
Well it's better to have scans and such. BP is a guy who if you give him prep for an opponent he can waylay a LOOOT of dudes