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[QUOTE=BBeeryan;3257920]Oh no. Say it isn't so. Black people will not apologize for Wakanda. And we ain't giving **** back. Wakanda til we die!
These posts make sad. I don't like admitting the truth of this situation. I just can't wait to see T'Challa in all his glory come February.[/QUOTE]
It's literally unbelievable and astonishing that an actual black person giving an opportunity to write the "captain america/batman/spider-man" of black heroes, would opt to make that character's mytho a metaphor for what racist white people did to native americans. Because apparently no way could africans living in africa be indigenous to the african soil they built their country on. No way can men and women co-exist without rape culture, that's just something that [I]had[/I] to be introduced to ensure Black Panther could be some little kid's Spider-Man. Remember, Ta-Nehisi stated that as his goal.
Ultimately it's irrelevant, because nobody reads the comics and it's just about the movies and outside media. But just the principle of what this coon syndrome negro is doing is disgusting.
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With the analogy to Batman, this issue is very much going with "the hero the city needs" type motif. T'Challa is burdened with keeping the secret of Wakanda's past to protect Wakanda today and is leaping into that action because that's what Kings and that's what heroes do. There is nothing in this issue at all against T'Challa. He is in command and heroic, at least so far (for the most part, it's setting up what's to come). He's figured out what Klaw is doing and seeks and learns the answers to the rest of the mystery.
There's also some wonderful moments where he brings Thunderball into the mix and uses his expertise without compromising on what he needs to do.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3258080]Keep in mind that's not what Priest wrote, it's what Hudlin retconned. I feel Hudlin is not given enough credit for his invention of Wakanda as we know it. If you want simplicity of origin, the origin of Wakanda until the time Hudlin wrote "Who is the Black Panther"is as follows: Wakanda was just an African nation until T'Chaka was murdered and T'Challa took over. At that point, T'Challa sold some of the Vibranium they had to bring in scientists both from the east and the west (since they had no interest in the Cold War). Combined with their traditional Wakandan values, they created the most advanced nation on Earth. All that was thrown out with Reginald Hudlin, but that was the origin story.[/QUOTE]
Priest dealt with inter-tribal conflict & Wakanda being hesitant to open its borders during his run (which was how Achebe was able to enter Wakanda, IIRC). The very first arc of his run showed unrest within the land, and also the arc about that showed QDJ was part of Man-Ape's tribe.
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[QUOTE=Anthony Shaw;3258094]Hopefully the next creative team will completely ignore his rubbish.[/QUOTE]
That's pretty much what's going to happen. At this point, ideally, they just need to press the reset button on the mytho. Like how they did with "The Client" and "Who is the Black Panther". Just a new jumping off point that brings back the OG cast, the movie cast, and focuses on his 007 adventures and the types of interactions with other Marvel characters that people actually want to see.
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[QUOTE=4sake Baned;3258107]Coates work is trash simple as that..No deeper meaning to understand or overdig[/QUOTE]
I guess some people don't understand what subjective opinions are. I have no problem with people disliking or hating Coates run. If it isn't for them, for whatever reason, great. That's totally valid. But someone's dislike of something doesn't mean that it is inherently lacking in value for everyone.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3258142]It was. It was created by Don McGregor as part of the Panther's Rage story arc. It was where Baron Macabre was mutating people on behalf of Erik Killmonger. Priest's story is where they revealed the energy coming from it was an transdimensional portal.[/QUOTE]
So what I'm hearing is that you owe me money ;)
No personal checks!
[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3258142]There's a blurry line between magic and science (any sufficiently advanced technology and all that). The Resurrection Altar was magic until it was revealed to not be. It also always did more than bring people back from the dead. My suggestion isn't even that magic wasn't used to banish them. My suggestion is that the originators were not originally from Earth but from the portal. It would explain why they settled in Wakanda as opposed to elsewhere. Basically, I'm suggesting that the Originators did not "originate" in Wakanda.[/QUOTE]
I do not feel as if we'll be that lucky with this arc, nor do I get the sense that these characters tie into a larger mythos
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[QUOTE=Anthony Shaw;3258159]Priest dealt with inter-tribal conflict & Wakanda being hesitant to open its borders during his run (which was how Achebe was able to enter Wakanda, IIRC). The very first arc of his run showed unrest within the land, and also the arc about that showed QDJ was part of Man-Ape's tribe.[/QUOTE]
Oh bbb-but that was different! lol smh
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I saw an interview a while ago with Coates, who explained he likes asking tough questions without having the answers.
In the real world, that's fine. It's what we need.
But I think increasingly, in comics, it undermines T'Challa.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3258153]With the analogy to Batman, this issue is very much going with "the hero the city needs" type motif. T'Challa is burdened with keeping the secret of Wakanda's past to protect Wakanda today and is leaping into that action because that's what Kings and that's what heroes do. There is nothing in this issue at all against T'Challa. He is in command and heroic, at least so far (for the most part, it's setting up what's to come). He's figured out what Klaw is doing and seeks and learns the answers to the rest of the mystery.
There's also some wonderful moments where he brings Thunderball into the mix and uses his expertise without compromising on what he needs to do.[/QUOTE]
Tchalla came out okay, in just undermines Wakanda as a civilization. lol
So aliens comes from that portal which is hundreds of miles from the central city and people come and because humans are evil there is a war.
There was a middle ground the Coates could have found by saying they're both from the area, but the distance never led to interactions until 10,000 or more years ago.
Pretty sure the prison dumping was done post Wakanda as the explanation was aliens wanted to keep human busy.
But why they have to put Thunderball on the Atkins diet. lol
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3258171]I saw an interview a while ago with Coates, who explained he likes asking tough questions without having the answers.
In the real world, that's fine. It's what we need.
But I think increasingly, in comics, it undermines T'Challa.[/QUOTE]
Ha ha. Comics have enough plot holes without the writer doing it on purpose.
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[QUOTE=Anthony Shaw;3258109]In Priest's first arc, we saw tribal warfare within Wakanda, plus Achebe took over [B]while BP ripping out the devil's heart in America.[/B]
Speaking of the Mephisto....Ross & Peter Parker would have a deep conversation about marriage & pants.[/QUOTE]
I'd love Mephisto to be the next Black Panther villain. Boseman said his favorite BP story and moment ever is that scene. I think they should explore it, at least as subplot and hopefully Achebe is introduced in this first movie.
The good thing with the MCU and the marvel formula is that, barring contract disputes, the cast you see in the first movie is pretty much what they'll be sticking with for the duration of the trilogy. Plus rape camps and rape culture is something Disney probably doesn't care for in their movie franchise meant to reach out to little black girls.
[QUOTE=Anthony Shaw;3258104]This is BP, not CP (Color Purple)![/QUOTE]
Who would've thought someone would ever think to confuse the two?! lmao
smh!
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[QUOTE=Rumble;3258197]I'd love Mephisto to be the next Black Panther villain. Boseman said his favorite BP story and moment ever is that scene. I think they should explore it, at least as subplot and hopefully Achebe is introduced in this first movie.
The good thing with the MCU and the marvel formula is that, barring contract disputes, the cast you see in the first movie is pretty much what they'll be sticking with for the duration of the trilogy. Plus rape camps and rape culture is something Disney probably doesn't care for in their movie franchise meant to reach out to little black girls.
Who would've thought someone would ever think to confuse the two?! lmao
smh![/QUOTE]
Everything you've done to me, I already done to you. lol
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3258090]It wasn't clear cut, but the subtext was barely that.
"They lived in peace, thrived. Then came man, obsessed with title and lacking in grace."
And off the originators (God damn subtle, that name) get kicked.[/QUOTE]
But I think that's what layers the story. I'd the Originators just attached the gums ms for no reason, we could just write them off as tour atypical bad guys.
This creates a conflict with a bit of depth to it. The humans somehow insulted the Originators but the originators attacked the humans. The originators are now fighting for their homelamd, but obviously the Wakamdans can't just give it back.
The social and political issues dogging this conflict are where T'Calla had to be more than just a super hero punching out the monsters. I think he needs to be a king here too. To me this is the perfect sort of story for a character like him.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3258236]But I think that's what layers the story. I'd the Originators just attached the gums ms for no reason, we could just write them off as tour atypical bad guys.
This creates a conflict with a bit of depth to it. The humans somehow insulted the Originators but the originators attacked the humans. The originators are now fighting for their homelamd, but obviously the Wakamdans can't just give it back.
The social and political issues dogging this conflict are where T'Calla had to be more than just a super hero punching out the monsters. I think he needs to be a king here too. To me this is the perfect sort of story for a character like him.[/QUOTE]
Why can't they give it back. If Coates was a true SJW that is what should happen.
Didn't Priest make it clear enough that he is not a superhero.
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[QUOTE=Rumble;3258170]Oh bbb-but that was different! lol smh
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I don't need to post this, but the point of the Doras was to keep the various tribes on chill within the land by selecting women from various tribes (where one might become a queen).
That came from Priest.
Tribal warfare & ethnic cleansing were hot topics on the 1990s in Africa, Europe, and the Middle East.
I am sure Priest drew upon that while writing BP during the late 90s.
Each tribe, with their totems, are not that different than the 9 realms of Asgard, imo.