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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2321604]eh... Coates book right now is 100% isolated and selling like hot cakes. There hasn't bene a single reference to any strife in wakanda in any of the books T'challa is showing up in[/QUOTE]
Indeed, there's barely any references of the overall MU. Non-Wakandans in this story prior to members of the Crew were no-names or borderline D-list villains (Stane). And despite that and more, the book continues to sell at a high rate.
Concerning Storm, I think ultimately she didn't have as much fans as many thought. A lot of her fans, based on what I saw at the time, are X-fans, not necessarily Storm fans. If she's not in the X-verse, they won't care about her as much. Hence the surprisingly low sales and fears of cancellation despite the push she's enjoyed across the board for decades.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;2321580]Usually we only get to hear about the God of the Jabari, Man Ape's people.
There's the African Lion God (Sekmet/Hathor) that fought the Black Panther and the Avengers in the 70's. She was pissed that
the Panther God still had worshippers in the modern age and decided to take it out on T'Challa.
Since T'challa hung out with Thor at the time, this didn't end well for her.
Other than Man-Ape and his people, everybody in Wakanda seems to worship Bast.
You might think there would be some worshippers of Sekmet and/or Anubis (who shows up in Moon Knight every once in awhile) still
around over there in Wakanda, but not that we've seen.[/QUOTE]
I thought I saw that there was a Hyena cult as well?
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[QUOTE=Frontier;2321527]I think there could be some value in keeping some of them alive as recurring villains who can work with other villains or pop up in different movies, but that's me...[/QUOTE]
The Marvel movies seem to really not want to go the "Legion of Doom/Injustice League" route.
The bad guy in Marvel movies almost always dies at the end.
They even killed off the bad guy in Ant Man.
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[QUOTE=Ekie;2321643]I thought I saw that there was a Hyena cult as well?[/QUOTE]
I think there was supposed to be a Croc cult back in the day but they haven't been seen in modern times.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2321642]Indeed, there's barely any references of the overall MU. Non-Wakandans in this story prior to members of the Crew were no-names or borderline D-list villains (Stane). And despite that and more, the book continues to sell at a high rate.
Concerning Storm, I think ultimately she didn't have as much fans as many thought. A lot of her fans, based on what I saw at the time, are X-fans, not necessarily Storm fans. If she's not in the X-verse, they won't care about her as much. Hence the surprisingly low sales and fears of cancellation despite the push she's enjoyed across the board for decades.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure any female character has a lot of fans honestly. Not enough to have a viable franchise at least.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2321699]I'm not sure any female character has a lot of fans honestly. Not enough to have a viable franchise at least.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, the most popular superheroines are X-book ladies. And they started in a team book, which is doubly hard to spin off of.
Its telling that Kamala is probably the most popular female character at Marvel right now and she been on the scene for... 2 years? Jane has really great sales but that obviously isn't a long term scenario.
They can't keep Carol away from cancellation zone and Shulk is might be more popular honestly but is stuck in movie limbo.
Black Widow with one tenth the push Carol gets is outselling her. that is the female marvel should have latched onto but they didn't for whatever reason. Likely bc she doesn't have super powers.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2321604]eh... Coates book right now is 100% isolated and selling like hot cakes. There hasn't bene a single reference to any strife in wakanda in any of the books T'challa is showing up in
For me the book is just F'ing boring. Even throwing out all the bad imagery and ridiculousness of some of hte stuff happening...
its just boring. T'challa has been nerfed instead of the villains elevated. Too much panel space is wasted on stupid **** IMO. Too many things are going on at once to really flesh out any side. Too much is being explained on summary pages instead of shown.[/QUOTE]
ok so with all that being said, as bad as this ongoing has been handled (and from the general consensus on here it is bad) why is it doing so well? like that's the part i don't really get. You would think sales would be tanking but the last issue i believe beat out most if not all of the dc solo character books. because for me I would not want to read about my favorite character doing absolutely nothing; it would seem like an utter waste because I expect action (at the very least) from a comicbook.
oh thanks for the response btw :)
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2321604]eh... Coates book right now is 100% isolated and selling like hot cakes. There hasn't bene a single reference to any strife in wakanda in any of the books T'challa is showing up in
For me the book is just F'ing boring. Even throwing out all the bad imagery and ridiculousness of some of hte stuff happening...
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To be fair to Storm-she doesn't have 5 previous solos, a run in Marvel Comics Present, 2 minis & a book called Fantastic Force that spent a chunk of its run in his kingdom.
In other words Coates had plenty to play with (or ignore) before his first issue.
Yes like Cyborg at Dc-Storm has been seen in a lot of stuff. But where is her PRIVATE life at?
How many issues of X-Men were just devoted to HER.
Pak wasn't the issue-he got stuck with a character that was failed by a franchise with too many characters. They would have done better if they gave her a solo while married to you know who.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2321699]I'm not sure any female character has a lot of fans honestly. Not enough to have a viable franchise at least.[/QUOTE]
I'm honestly leaning towards that direction, tbh. Exceptions aside (Kamala), that appears to be the case unfortunately.
It's even amazing that DC was able to pull it off. They obviously have Wonder Woman, but they managed to make Harley Quinn a top-seller. Granted, Harley became popular outside of comics first, before she entered the comics realm.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;2321725](and from the general consensus on here it is bad)[/QUOTE]
The key words in that sentence are [B]"on here."[/B]
Simply put, this board, specifically this forum, is a very small sampling of the audience that has read and is reading this book. So you really can't judge the book's quality by the reactions of the same dozen or so people who post in this forum every day.
As I said, I (mostly) like it, I just don't bother coming here every month after issue to argue in it's defense. Why bother? I'm happy, I'm getting a book I look, and it's selling well enough to guarantee that it will continue. So I can just carry on. I'm guessing a lot of other fans feel the same. So it's the ones who hate it that are the most active here.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;2321725]ok so with all that being said, as bad as this ongoing has been handled (and from the general consensus on here it is bad) why is it doing so well? like that's the part i don't really get. You would think sales would be tanking but the last issue i believe beat out most if not all of the dc solo character books. because for me I would not want to read about my favorite character doing absolutely nothing; it would seem like an utter waste because I expect action (at the very least) from a comicbook.
oh thanks for the response btw :)[/QUOTE]
Well, to be blunt... general consensus on here is about 25 people hahahahahaha
25 people who have read every issue of every run, people who know who W'kabi and Zuri and Taku and Madam Slay ect ect ect are.
Not everyone is like that. Not everyone is going to see Panther struggle with this rebellion and go, "well he crushed this rebellion in Priests run and crushed a rebellion here in Panther's Rage." or "why is he struggling with Zenzi when he rebuffed Emma Frost in Original Sin?" or "Why are they painting Wakanda as woman haters when we have specifically seen they aren't in Deadliest of the Species and XYZ arc"
Not the general audience. Not even close.
Hell, a lot of these fans could just be "story fans." They aren't obessing abotu one character. They don't care about T'challa in Hulk or T'challa in Ultimates. They are reading the story and liking it.
"the 25" on the other hand are remembering all the past, seeing all the present, and obsessing abotu the future.
Totally different audience.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;2321725]ok so with all that being said, as bad as this ongoing has been handled (and from the general consensus on here it is bad) [B]why is it doing so well?[/B] like that's the part i don't really get. You would think sales would be tanking but the last issue i believe beat out most if not all of the dc solo character books. because for me I would not want to read about my favorite character doing absolutely nothing; it would seem like an utter waste because I expect action (at the very least) from a comicbook.
oh thanks for the response btw :)[/QUOTE]
Simply put, a lot of people actually like it. If they didn't like it, the book would've tanked by now.
Reality is, we in this forum are a minority of the BP fandom. We are but a reflection of a subset of the fandom, not the consensus of the entire fandom.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;2321725]ok so with all that being said, as bad as this ongoing has been handled (and from the general consensus on here it is bad) why is it doing so well? like that's the part i don't really get. You would think sales would be tanking but the last issue i believe beat out most if not all of the dc solo character books. because for me I would not want to read about my favorite character doing absolutely nothing; it would seem like an utter waste because I expect action (at the very least) from a comicbook.
oh thanks for the response btw :)[/QUOTE]
Internet is not always an accurate barometer of overall sucess. During Bending Avengers run was hated by plenty of people on the net yet was the most popular book in the industry for the better part of a decade.
Jon Cena is arguably the biggest star in the last decade and people on the net hate the guy.
The true Guage of success isn'the Internet posts. It's dollars and cents customers actually invest in the product.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2321783]Internet is not always an accurate barometer of overall sucess. During Bending Avengers run was hated by plenty of people on the net yet was the most popular book in the industry for the better part of a decade.
Jon Cena is arguably the biggest star in the last decade and people on the net hate the guy.
The true Guage of success isn'the Internet posts. It's dollars and cents customers actually invest in the product.[/QUOTE]
The invested fans are always hypercritical and lacking perspective in the general consensus.
Cena's a perfect example of that.
Yeah, he was a hilarious heel. But he's so much more popular with kids and females as a face and sells so much merch, that the WWE would be idiots to re-heel him without a guy like the Rock waiting immediately in the wings to replace him.
And faces like Rock, Hogan and Cena come around once every decade if you are lucky (see pre-attitude era WWE to see how bad it could get without a go to face).
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A couple years ago there was some article that came out that ranked the most popular Marvel characters in comics... and they got their data from the CBR forums (or something). What was funny was that Storm and Cyclops were top 10, out of a list of like 100 characters ranked (maybe more, I forget), and someone like Miles Morales was ranked in the 80s or something.
It was funny because at that time, "in the real world", Miles solo in the Ultimates universe was selling more than both Storm and Cyclops 616 solos... combined. And that was before Miles was in cartoons, indoctrinated in the shared comic universe, and rumored to be in Sony's animated feature film.
Some characters always had the potential, for whatever reason. T'Challa, with all the racial and/or editorial politics he had going against him, plus long periods of time on the shelf between runs in which he barely showed up anywhere, was still able to hit that 40-50k mark for stretches at the start of Priests run and hit that for various points during Hudlins. And now that a multi-faceted effort was made, look at him now across multiple mediums.
So comic book popularity can be an interesting study, especially perceived popularity vs purchasing power popularity
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[QUOTE=Rumble;2321976]A couple years ago there was some article that came out that ranked the most popular Marvel characters in comics... and they got their data from the CBR forums (or something). What was funny was that Storm and Cyclops were top 10, out of a list of like 100 characters ranked (maybe more, I forget), and someone like Miles Morales was ranked in the 80s or something.
It was funny because at that time, "in the real world", Miles solo in the Ultimates universe was selling more than both Storm and Cyclops 616 solos... combined. And that was before Miles was in cartoons, indoctrinated in the shared comic universe, and rumored to be in Sony's animated feature film.
Some characters always had the potential, for whatever reason. T'Challa, with all the racial and/or editorial politics he had going against him, plus long periods of time on the shelf between runs in which he barely showed up anywhere, was still able to hit that 40-50k mark for stretches at the start of Priests run and hit that for various points during Hudlins. And now that a multi-faceted effort was made, look at him now across multiple mediums.
So comic book popularity can be an interesting study, especially perceived popularity vs purchasing power popularity[/QUOTE]
Dude, theere was just a huge poll on CBR on favorite Marvel characters
Cyclops was freaking number 10 lol. Moon Knight was 8.
T'challa was 11 for record, Miles 31
hardcore Fandom =/= sales
I don't like the book. I can admit that. Part of it is my expectations (favorite character, I want best book ever!), but mostly I just don't really enjoy reading it.
But I can see why people do. Especially non hardcore fans who don't know the whole characters history front and back.
I mean a lot of our time spent here is saying how stupid the force push is (it is stupid lol).
But how many people outside this thread really give a **** if T'challa force pushes a dude vs speed blitzes him?
Minute nitpicking is just part of it honestly. I do it. I have a god damn blog for one character because it distracts me from real life **** lol.
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Yes, John Cena was a good analogy to this subject. And, see, this is why I do continue to regularly lurk on this forum, and join in when I feel have something to contribute. Even while I may not agree with all the harshest critics of the current series here (except regarding the rape camps, that was absolutely horrendous), at least most are willing to acknowledge that they are in the minority on that. In previous years I've seen comic-book arguments similar to this, where people who don't like a financially successful book will make a billion excuses for why the book sells, despite how bad [B]they[/B] say it is. [I]"It's only selling because of the variant covers!"[/I] or something like that. But you don't get that here.
I do hope Coates wins over many of the critics here in the end. I don't know where this arc is going, but maybe the ending will please some critics, and win them over. Because I do believe everyone here is a genuine fan of the character, and while you can never please [B]everyone[/B], for a character like this who has, let's face, not always been treated like he's A-list, I can imagine how much it sucks for them to not enjoy the book while he's finally getting the push he deserves.
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[QUOTE=iblogalot;2322006]Yes, John Cena was a good analogy to this subject. And, see, this is why I do continue to regularly lurk on this forum, and join in when I feel have something to contribute. Even while I may not agree with all the harshest critics of the current series here (except regarding the rape camps, that was absolutely horrendous), at least most are willing to acknowledge that they are in the minority on that. In previous years I've seen comic-book arguments similar to this, where people who don't like a financially successful book will make a billion excuses for why the book sells, despite how bad [B]they[/B] say it is. [I]"It's only selling because of the variant covers!"[/I] or something like that. But you don't get that here.
I do hope Coates wins over many of the critics here in the end. I don't know where this arc is going, but maybe the ending will please some critics, and win them over. Because I do believe everyone here is a genuine fan of the character, and while you can never please [B]everyone[/B], for a character like this who has, let's face, not always been treated like he's A-list, I can imagine how much it sucks for them to not enjoy the book while he's finally getting the push he deserves.[/QUOTE]
Most excellent post.
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I like that iconic teams have a specific set 3 members that define them. Sure the team can exist without them but the three members are the heart of it. Avengers have Captain America, Iron Man and Thor. Justice League has Wonder Woman, Batman and Superman. Black Panther, Captain Marvel and (insert 3rd member of the team that Marvel wants to Push. Someone with a sense of humor. Not an X-man) would make a great Trinity for a starting team considering the push they're both getting. Also the movies.
If I've leaned anything about the fan reaction to the ANAD Avengers line up is that there's too much history behind it for T'challa to get his guaranteed spot in the limelight. People like Steve Tony and Thor will always get top billing if they're in the team and T'challa will be thrown to the wayside. I don't mind him being on the Avengers but I just think that it shouldn't be his "main" team at all.
I'm cool with the Ultimates line up but it seems like T'challa doesn't get much to do except for make threats and drive the ship. He has a great showing last issue but it also took like what, 12 issues for him to do something worthwhile(granted it was beating Thanos). I doesn't feel like he's one of the main focuses of the book. After this Civil War I'd like a new trinity get formed with T'challa and Carol.
The "Crew" team just doesn't sit well with me. Im not a fan. Also, I really don't like the fact that Storm's on the team. Whenever T'challa is near X-men there's "certain" writers who go out of the way to take digs at T'challa in an effort to vilify him. Those "certain" writers tend to show up whenever Tchalla interacts with X-men.
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[QUOTE=iblogalot;2322006]Yes, John Cena was a good analogy to this subject. And, see, this is why I do continue to regularly lurk on this forum, and join in when I feel have something to contribute. Even while I may not agree with all the harshest critics of the current series here (except regarding the rape camps, that was absolutely horrendous), at least most are willing to acknowledge that they are in the minority on that. In previous years I've seen comic-book arguments similar to this, where people who don't like a financially successful book will make a billion excuses for why the book sells, despite how bad [B]they[/B] say it is. [I]"It's only selling because of the variant covers!"[/I] or something like that. But you don't get that here.
I do hope Coates wins over many of the critics here in the end. I don't know where this arc is going, but maybe the ending will please some critics, and win them over. Because I do believe everyone here is a genuine fan of the character, and while you can never please [B]everyone[/B], for a character like this who has, let's face, not always been treated like he's A-list, I can imagine how much it sucks for them to not enjoy the book while he's finally getting the push he deserves.[/QUOTE]
Most excellent post.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2321992]I mean a lot of our time spent here is saying how stupid the force push is (it is stupid lol).[/QUOTE]
Just curious, may I ask why you think so? To me, it seems like a natural upgrade of BP's technology (which should be constantly evolving). It seems scientifically sound (well, as much as fake comic-book science can sound), that if vibranium absorbs energy, then it could also be used to expel that energy. Hence, the "force push".
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[QUOTE=iblogalot;2322033]Just curious, may I ask why you think so? To me, it seems like a natural upgrade of BP's technology (which should be constantly evolving). It seems scientifically sound (well, as much as fake comic-book science can sound), that if vibranium absorbs energy, then it could also be used to expel that energy. Hence, the "force push".[/QUOTE]
its overused and overshadowing T'challa's innate abilities.
It has a enhanced human with top notch martial arts abilities with a speed that surprises Spider-Man taking shots just so the force push can be used.
It si a cool idea... it is just being waaaaaaaaaaaay over used in the wrong scenarios.
Gettign ganged up on and you need a whole area attack to clear the area? sure, go for it.
fighting someoen above your weightclass and are strategically taking shots to build up enough power to take them down? sure
Getting goon slamed by a henchman? taking punches for no reason? just to use the push? eh.... not so much
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2321604]eh... [B]Coates book right now is 100% isolated and selling like hot cakes[/B]. There hasn't bene a single reference to any strife in wakanda in any of the books T'challa is showing up in [/QUOTE]
Movie Buzz. Plus he's bringing in other high profile Marvel heroes and he's using established villains.
Without that buzz from the movies, you don't get those sales like that.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2321699]I'm not sure any female character has a lot of fans honestly. Not enough to have a viable franchise at least.[/QUOTE]
Rogue. She's been a villain, an X-Man and Avenger. Unique powerset and she's a brawler too. She can play anywhere in the Marvel U. Plenty to play with there.
Her fan base is almost a rabid as BP's.
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Okay, well, saying the force push is just stupid is one thing, saying it's [I]overused[/I], that's a different story. That could certainly be argued.
For the record, the fact that this title is currently self-contained is a huge-plus for me, as I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in Civil War II or any other grand company-wide crossovers. Call me crazy, but I actually like being able to read one book and get everything I need to know in that book.
That was also why I dropped that last Storm ongoing after the 4th issue. The first 3 were basically single-issue stories, which I found interesting. References were made to other events in the Marvel U, but in a way that you were easily caught up without having to go out and buy any other titles. The 4th issue had a "Death of Wolverine" banner on the cover, and ended in a cliffhanger, at which point I realized that I didn't care how the cliffhanger would be resolved, so I just dropped it.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;2321571]
What is the biggest disservice you think Coates has done with Tchalla thus far (I'm sure you have said this already but I haven't seen this so forgive me in advance if you have) in terms of what you know Tchalla to be? [/QUOTE]
Nothing to forgive my friend.
As regards my issues with Coates has done to the BP mythos stem primarily from the writers deliberate ignorance of existing BP characterization, temperament and attendant lore.
Coates has admitted to being wholly beffudled by aspects of said lore that he personally disliked or found hard to wrap his head around but worst of all remains the fact that when he had an opportunity to build on this.....
[IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/x5drit.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/2nav9mr.jpg[/IMG]
He instead opted to tear things down with this....
[IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/1zfhcwo.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;2321571]People (from what I have read) really loved what Pak did with Planet Hulk, so I was hoping for something big and epic with Storm's solo. We didn't get that with Pak's series (which was unfortunate); however, it's the best I have seen her written in quite a long time. [/QUOTE]
Greg Pak's Planet Hulk is a must read.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;2321571]Thanks Friend![/QUOTE]
Anytime my friend.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2322058]Rogue. She's been a villain, an X-Man and Avenger. Unique powerset and she's a brawler too. She can play anywhere in the Marvel U. Plenty to play with there.
Her fan base is almost a rabid as BP's.[/QUOTE]
Rabid and BP fanbase don't go hand-in-hand.
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Y'all are starting to convince me I need to check out that Jonathan Hickman New Avengers run.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;2321725]ok so with all that being said, as bad as this ongoing has been handled (and from the general consensus on here it is bad) why is it doing so well? like that's the part i don't really get. You would think sales would be tanking but the last issue i believe beat out most if not all of the dc solo character books. because for me I would not want to read about my favorite character doing absolutely nothing; it would seem like an utter waste because I expect action (at the very least) from a comicbook.
oh thanks for the response btw :)[/QUOTE]
I'll say this. A lot of fans have been with BP for a longtime, thru the good and the bad. After nearly a decade of BP getting shitted on, those fans who stuck with him wanted to finally get a series that showcases all of his abilities, his genius, his fighting and they wanted to see Wakanda portrayed as the highly advanced nation that it is. They final wanted to see T'Challa get off the "Pyrrhic victory, getting punked by every other despot" merry go round.
Then came CA:CW and we got to see BP on the Big Screen doing some good isht. He didn't dominate the movie but he made his presence felt in a way that Panther fans wanted to see. This is what a lot of us wanted to see in the new solo and it was hyped big time. Instead we get an inept king who lamented his station. Worse, we got rape camps and suicide bombers. No one BP fan was asking for a perfect society but this was not expected whatsoever. The more some of us read, the worse it seemed to get.
I've never criticized anyone for enjoying this story, never said they were wrong. Never said that I hope book fails big time. I, like a few others pointed out the flaws [I][U]we[/U][/I] saw in the Coates story as it pertained to how T'Challa and Wakanda were being played. And yes, we are in the minority as the sales would tell you. And sales will always be the ultimate indicator of a titles success. But that doesn't mean that criticism can't be levelled at the writer whether it's from 1 person or 100 and there's plenty to criticize about this run.
[B]Looking at it objectively, it's great for T'Challa to have this kind of success[/B] because other avenues and options are being opened for him. In the overall scheme it's good for him. But too some of us, it's not worth the character hit that he and Wakanda are taking. And some are criticizing it for other reasons. Should people remain silent because they are the minority and in the face of such success? No, because as always, what's good to some is crap for someone else. And besides, it's a forum, we want our opinions to be heard, good, bad or indifferent.
May the Farce Push Be With You.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2322075]Rabid and BP fanbase don't go hand-in-hand.[/QUOTE]
Hey BCB! You know how BP fans do! We march thru your thread with a million Hatute Zeraze mofos! :cool:
And let's not forget the Doras and MAs are riding shotgun!
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2322058]Rogue. She's been a villain, an X-Man and Avenger. Unique powerset and she's a brawler too. She can play anywhere in the Marvel U. Plenty to play with there.
Her fan base is almost a rabid as BP's.[/QUOTE]
There are a couple X-Women that I do think have potential to be break out stars, though I'm not sure any of them are quite there yet. Rogue is certainly one of them. Maybe the top one. For whatever reason, the X-Men franchise does seem to do a great job creating female characters that fans really take too. Hopefully they'll be able to really push a few of them somewhere down the line.
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Funny we keep talking bout rogue and storm...but x23 is the one holding down a solo by herself
Yiu need a healing factor and adamantium claws to hold an x solo
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[QUOTE=XPac;2322175]There are a couple X-Women that I do think have potential to be break out stars, though I'm not sure any of them are quite there yet. Rogue is certainly one of them. Maybe the top one. For whatever reason, the X-Men franchise does seem to do a great job creating female characters that fans really take too. Hopefully they'll be able to really push a few of them somewhere down the line.[/QUOTE]
The things working in Rogue's favor are:
1. She's a super strong brawler. She's not the strike a pose and point fighter. She can get throw down with the fists.
2. She's an X-Man and Avenger. She gets to play in both sandboxes.
3. Former villain. Always a good angle and that lends to the shady past and shady associates that they will eventually do a story on like....
4. Her mother is Mystique, another villain, sometimes quasi-heroic. Goldmine.
5. Her name, Rogue. Great name for a character. The puns and wordplay write themselves.
6. Guest appearances. Old Man Logan, Gambit, Captain Marvel, Steve Rogers, Nick Fury etc. All have legit reasons to appear.
As long as they don't limit her to X-villains and/or storylines, she's good.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2322194]Funny we keep talking bout rogue and storm...but x23 is the one holding down a solo by herself
Yiu need a healing factor and adamantium claws to hold an x solo[/QUOTE]
Female Logan. Built in audience.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2322194]Funny we keep talking bout rogue and storm...but x23 is the one holding down a solo by herself
Yiu need a healing factor and adamantium claws to hold an x solo[/QUOTE]
She'said sort of like Bat Girl or Supergirl. As a female variety of an existing cash cow it's almost a cheat.
But yeah she's carrying her own book. She's getting it done.
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[QUOTE=iblogalot;2322084]Y'all are starting to convince me I need to check out that Jonathan Hickman New Avengers run.[/QUOTE]
[B]It starts out great and had a lot of build up, however it gets riddled with useless subplot that goes nowhere, times skips wasted issues on I useless info etc etc and alot of talk and not enough action.
It had potential to be so much better. [/B]
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[QUOTE=iblogalot;2322084]Y'all are starting to convince me I need to check out that Jonathan Hickman New Avengers run.[/QUOTE]
Definitely give it a read, if only to get additional context and potential clarity on why certain things on the Coates run are happening, as far as T'Challa and even Wakanda is concerned.
Of all the BP / BP-related stories, New Avengers is referenced the most by the current BP run.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2322206]Female Logan. Built in audience.[/QUOTE]
[B]i wonder how Shuri will end up after she comes back. I wonder of she would be able to hold a Solo [/B]
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[QUOTE=Ekie;2321327]What are all the known cults in Wakanda?[/QUOTE]
Panthers
WG
Loin
Croc
Heyena
Their are 18 tribes and 5 cults that are know to us the readers. It seems from every thing we know from a story stand point that their multiple tribes that are apart of most and all cults. And we also know that some of the have a main branch family/top tribe most lesss..
Panther (Main branch fam T'Challa, Shuri and etc, most tribes/Wakandans seems to be under Panthers cult)
WG (Main branch fam QDJ, M'Baku and their tribe)
Loin (Main branch fam honestly I'm to lazy to look up
characters names and I also think they are dead, but notable other members/affiliates Killmonger and his tribe. KM is doesn't seem overall that interested in Loin God or its regilon imo or whoever fan branch fam is.. For all we kno it could be him that head of this cult at this point.
Croc (Main branch fam no idea, know members not 100% sure, if I had to guess Nakia/Malice due to being born in the wetlands area I believe and maybe some of ppl who work with Solomon Pery in Panthers Prey..
Hyena ( Main branch fam and members, the young Wakandan girl ind F.foundation and parents..
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2322316][B]i wonder how Shuri will end up after she comes back. I wonder of she would be able to hold a Solo [/B][/QUOTE]
She should star in WoW. I would just hope that it's a better read.