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Remember when the headlines
"Solo presales outpace Black Panther"
Solo just bombed
[QUOTE=XPac;3690917]The thing is, as far as hand me down rogues, in most cases you won't get the noteworthy ones because obviously a franchise will want to keep their big name characters in house. So yeah... you most get the fringe seldom used ones.
That said, I think both Stane and Adversary are very viable villains. In Stanes case, he's actually pretty cool if he's written better. In Adversarys case, he's just vastly powerful... and I think it's nice having at least one cosmic level uber bad guy in ones rogues gallery. It's a nice constrast from the more street level guys (or slightly above street level) that make up a good portion of his gallery. I just wanna see opponents with higher power levels in there because as it stands, minus Klaw (and maybe Tetu) Iron Man could probably solo T'CHalla's entirely gallery in 5 minutes flat in a straight fight.[/QUOTE]
Adversary isn't in t'challa rogues though.
He showed up in one issue, T'challa barely interacted, and he was beaten by Storm.
He is still an X-men rogues.
Should have just made an original villain and had him show up a couple issues earlier. It isn't like Adversary is a villain that brings in comic readers.
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3690948]Adversary isn't in t'challa rogues though.
He showed up in one issue, T'challa barely interacted, and he was beaten by Storm.
He is still an X-men rogues.
Should have just made an original villain and had him show up a couple issues earlier. It isn't like Adversary is a villain that brings in comic readers.[/QUOTE]
He's more a Storm rogue than a BP rogue certainly... but he now has history with Wakanda which makes a potentially viable villain to return. In some ways he's got more reason to bug Wakanda than the X-Men at the moment. Unless maybe Forge shows up again in the X books (which he has so ya never know).
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3690948]Adversary isn't in t'challa rogues though.
He showed up in one issue, T'challa barely interacted, and he was beaten by Storm.
He is still an X-men rogues.
Should have just made an original villain and had him show up a couple issues earlier. It isn't like Adversary is a villain that brings in comic readers.[/QUOTE]
Morlun isn't in his rogue's gallery. Dr. Doom isn't in his Rogue's Gallery (I'm sure plenty of people would have been fine with that, though). Hydroman isn't in his rogue's gallery. Mephisto isn't. The Kingpin and Typhoid Mary aren't. The Juggernaut isn't. Ghaur isn't. But the Black Panther is in the Marvel Universe and capable of borrowing characters to use in a story.
Let's be blunt here. The Adversary is a FORGE rogue. In literally EVERY OTHER APPEARANCE of the character as villain, Forge was either the primary protagonist or served a major supporting role. While Storm served a large part in his first storyline, she was not even mentioned in the others, either by the heroes or the Adversary himself. He went after Forge specifically, more than once.
Assigning the Adversary to Storm is risible sophistry.
Honestly, if editorial wanted to have a major mystical threat for T'Challa, they could have used Mephisto (who we know has a history with BP), or even Seth (who, as a Heliopolitan god, might very well consider Bast an enemy). Hell, with the latter, there's even a Storm connection, through her Egyptian ancestor.
That is, if the character was indeed brought in to bolster T'Challa's rogues gallery, and not just as a plot device to give Storm an unnecessary deification.
[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3690956]Morlun isn't in his rogue's gallery. Dr. Doom isn't in his Rogue's Gallery (I'm sure plenty of people would have been fine with that, though). Hydroman isn't in his rogue's gallery. Mephisto isn't. The Kingpin and Typhoid Mary aren't. The Juggernaut isn't. Ghaur isn't. But the Black Panther is in the Marvel Universe and capable of borrowing characters to use in a story.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah I know. I was referring to Xpac saying:
[quote=xpac]In Adversarys case, he's just vastly powerful... and I think it's nice having at least one cosmic level uber bad guy in ones rogues gallery.[/quote]
Wait did T'challa fight Juggernaut at one point? I need that story lol.
Is Mephisto in anyone's rogue gallery these days?
In hindsight, Zenzi should have been captured and Tetu should have escaped and played the role that QDJ played (I forget the heretics name) to build him up more and make him more legitimate.
And considering how little Adversary was actually used, they should have just made a new guy.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3690730][COLOR="#000080"]I was on a brief hiatus but like the Chaos Bringer, I have returned. :cool:[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
I noticed your absence.
Good to have you back. :cool:
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3690965]Let's be blunt here. The Adversary is a FORGE rogue. In literally EVERY OTHER APPEARANCE of the character as villain, Forge was either the primary protagonist or served a major supporting role. While Storm served a large part in his first storyline, she was not even mentioned in the others, either by the heroes or the Adversary himself. He went after Forge specifically, more than once.
Assigning the Adversary to Storm is risible sophistry.
Honestly, if editorial wanted to have a major mystical threat for T'Challa, they could have used Mephisto (who we know has a history with BP), or even Seth (who, as a Heliopolitan god, might very well consider Bast an enemy). Hell, with the latter, there's even a Storm connection, through her Egyptian ancestor.
That is, if the character was indeed brought in to bolster T'Challa's rogues gallery, and not just as a plot device to give Storm an unnecessary deification.[/QUOTE]
The book was screaming for whatever god got sent to portal land with the originators to come back with a vengeance.
Seth would have worked. Or that god from Hickman's story that I can't remember at the moment. Anubis maybe?
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3690735][B]Bad habit. It's time to wash my hands clean of the useless conversation. Some Will see through the BS, others will continue to let it blind them from the truth[/B][/QUOTE]
My bro, I understand why you do what you do.
I just feel it's not worth getting banned especially when some choose to get "offended" when actual fact as opposed to flights of fantasy are posted herein.
[QUOTE=KingNomarch;3690888]Let him design his new suit for sequel and I'll be happy.[/QUOTE]
[B]Doesn't even have to design a new suit even. Just have him walk up to Shuri and say along the lines"I sent you design schematics for some updates I will need to my habit, will you be able to have those done in time?" To which Shuri could reply "Those were quite complex and detailed designs, but I'm sure we will be able to make it so"[/B]
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3690965]Let's be blunt here. The Adversary is a FORGE rogue. In literally EVERY OTHER APPEARANCE of the character as villain, Forge was either the primary protagonist or served a major supporting role. While Storm served a large part in his first storyline, she was not even mentioned in the others, either by the heroes or the Adversary himself. He went after Forge specifically, more than once.
Assigning the Adversary to Storm is risible sophistry.
Honestly, if editorial wanted to have a major mystical threat for T'Challa, they could have used Mephisto (who we know has a history with BP), or even Seth (who, as a Heliopolitan god, might very well consider Bast an enemy). Hell, with the latter, there's even a Storm connection, through her Egyptian ancestor.
That is, if the character was indeed brought in to bolster T'Challa's rogues gallery, and not just as a plot device to give Storm an unnecessary deification.[/QUOTE]
Don"t ever change Mario. :cool:
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3690970]Oh yeah I know. I was referring to Xpac saying:
Wait did T'challa fight Juggernaut at one point? I need that story lol.
Is Mephisto in anyone's rogue gallery these days?
In hindsight, Zenzi should have been captured and Tetu should have escaped and played the role that QDJ played (I forget the heretics name) to build him up more and make him more legitimate.
And considering how little Adversary was actually used, they should have just made a new guy.[/QUOTE]
For the record, I wasn't necessarily saying Adversary was in T'Challas rogues gallery. MOre like I was saying I sort of hope he becomes a part of it. And the same goes for Stane.
I think BP's gallery needs a bit of an upgrade. Apart from Klaw and maybe Tetu, they're a bit on the underpowered side. Like I said, I just want a bit more depth beyond the street level to barely meta human collection that makes up the bulk of his gallery. But hey, just my opinion.
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3690970]Wait did T'challa fight Juggernaut at one point? I need that story lol. [/quote]
Sorry, I meant Rhino. The BET cartoon adaptation of Who is the Black Panther used Juggernaut, the comic used Rhino.
[quote]Is Mephisto in anyone's rogue gallery these days?[/quote]
He was traditionally a Silver Surfer villain and maybe a Ghost Rider villain (I don't really read Ghost Rider). Part of me wants to say Spider-Man, though.
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3690965]Let's be blunt here. The Adversary is a FORGE rogue. In literally EVERY OTHER APPEARANCE of the character as villain, Forge was either the primary protagonist or served a major supporting role. While Storm served a large part in his first storyline, she was not even mentioned in the others, either by the heroes or the Adversary himself. He went after Forge specifically, more than once.
Assigning the Adversary to Storm is risible sophistry.
Honestly, if editorial wanted to have a major mystical threat for T'Challa, they could have used Mephisto (who we know has a history with BP), or even Seth (who, as a Heliopolitan god, might very well consider Bast an enemy). Hell, with the latter, there's even a Storm connection, through her Egyptian ancestor.
That is, if the character was indeed brought in to bolster T'Challa's rogues gallery, and not just as a plot device to give Storm an unnecessary deification.[/QUOTE]
Honestly I think it's fair to say Adversary has issues with both Storm and Forge but yes... it's fair to say that Forge is his primary playmate. But there's enough history with Storm to warrant using him and her for this story. Throwing Forge in there could have worked too... though in the end he wasn't needed because T'CHalla came up with a plan to defeat the Adverary on his own.
But it's certainly fair to say that Adversary isn't the ONLY major mystical threat which could have been used. There are several good options. Adversary was just one. But he's a viable character who has been sitting on the shelf collecting dust for quite a bit now, so I think it's nice he was used.
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3690940]Remember when the headlines
"Solo presales outpace Black Panther"
Solo just bombed[/QUOTE]
was that really a thing?