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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2493058]
I don't want to detract from the thread, but I'm not sure of your logic here. Marvel hadn't TRIED a Doctor Strange ongoing for about 20 years, so it's impossible to say whether the market wanted him or not.
And I'm not sure which mini you mean that "crashed & burned". The last one that came out, that I can remember, was the Mark Waid one. I don't know if it was planned as a pilot for an ongoing or not, so I can't say it was a failure.
(In any case, he was de-powered back then, so it wasn't "classic Doc", anyway)[/QUOTE]
There were several Doc minis done between the end of his last series and the latest one: Flight of Bones, The JMS non-continuity reboot, The Oath and Master of the Mystic Arts.
If any of them had been a hit, there would have been a regular series resulting from them.
I'll leave it there, as this is off topic.
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Tbf, strange 8 and bp 8 did very similar numbers. I cant remember whuch did more off top of head and not gonna bother with mobile
Strange spin off will likely do better numbers than wow as well
We will see. That last bp drop was vicious whike strange has been more steady in that 40k range
Buttttt honestly its moot. We have the template with carol already
Bp and strange coukd tank below 20k and marvel will relaunch. And relaunch. And relaunch. Like carol, they need the bp book to exist. She aint even in the mcu yet and tgey have relaunched yearly? For 3? Years.
So we are gonna have a bp book for a long time.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2493661]Tbf, strange 8 and bp 8 did very similar numbers. I cant remember whuch did more off top of head and not gonna bother with mobile
Strange spin off will likely do better numbers than wow as well
We will see. That last bp drop was vicious whike strange has been more steady in that 40k range
Buttttt honestly its moot. We have the template with carol already
Bp and strange coukd tank below 20k and marvel will relaunch. And relaunch. And relaunch. Like carol, they need the bp book to exist. She aint even in the mcu yet and tgey have relaunched yearly? For 3? Years.
So we are gonna have a bp book for a long time.[/QUOTE]
Even before the movie, Black Panther kept getting second and third chances while other books didn't. I always felt that marvel editorial had a bit of a soft spot for BP. Since Hudlin's run we never really went or any lengthy of time without a BP appearing somewhere in a monthly title (even if it wasn't a solo book). But now because of the movie I'm fairly certain we never will. I'm cautionsly optimistic that we'll always have a BP book at marvel in some way, shape or form.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;2493008]It's not a hatchet job when you remember that Doc hasn't been able to sell a ongoing comic for 10 years. If the marketplace wanted classic Doc, his last mini wouldn't
have crashed and burned.
The market clearly didn't want Classic Doc. The only choices were a revamp or no Doc at all.[/QUOTE]
Thank you. God, these are second tier character with limited success in terms of sales .
You don't repeat the same formula for a product that doesn't perform well.
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[B]I think Bp's Issue is just that they haven't promoted him as much as they should of, If Priest and Hudlin had this much spotlight On T'Challa with their respective runs, i think there sales would atleast be 20k higher, especially since they kept readers captivated and their build up and pay offs were great[/B]
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2492833]Just out of curiosity, what do you call "significant sales"?[/QUOTE]
What I look at is relative Marvel sales by issue number (e.g., how issue #6 does compared to other issues #6). Every month it comes out, it has outsold any other issue at that same issue number that month. That being said, what I do need to do is go back and see how it compares over all since All-New, All-Different started. The other thing that I tend to notice are times it gets second printings, which I realize is inexact but still noteworthy.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2492202]Not exactly burning up the charts there, either.[/QUOTE]
What stores are selling Coates trade? At most I have only seen Priest and Hudlin's trade.
Also what is happening with BP that was NOT happening in the past?
How many variants featured HIM in various books like we saw nonstop with Deadpool?
For ONCE products with him are popping up in stores unlike in the past you had to be lucky to find it.
How many times has he been featured on Marvel.com? Heck he and Cage are listed when you sign into Marvel insider page.
He falls into the same pit of the company finally acts like they CARE and realize the money potential.
[QUOTE]But the idea that Coates' take is so breathtakingly popular that it beats all others simply isn't backed up by the numbers. It started incredibly hot, and has dropped out of the top 50 in less than a year.[/QUOTE]
Remember we had something called Rebirth and the make comics for a certain demo movement happen-so yes sales will get hurt no matter the story. Also look at competition.
When was the last time you had this many POC lead book out at Marvel?
Look at your black leads alone-Panther, Falcon, Miles, Moon Girl, Cage-sort of, Prowler & Mosaic. You got choices now versus that other company with only one black lead.
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;2493869]What stores are selling Coates trade? At most I have only seen Priest and Hudlin's trade.
Also what is happening with BP that was NOT happening in the past?
How many variants featured HIM in various books like we saw nonstop with Deadpool?
For ONCE products with him are popping up in stores unlike in the past you had to be lucky to find it.
How many times has he been featured on Marvel.com? Heck he and Cage are listed when you sign into Marvel insider page.
He falls into the same pit of the company finally acts like they CARE and realize the money potential.
Remember we had something called Rebirth and the make comics for a certain demo movement happen-so yes sales will get hurt no matter the story. Also look at competition.
When was the last time you had this many POC lead book out at Marvel?
Look at your black leads alone-Panther, Falcon, Miles, Moon Girl, Cage-sort of, Prowler & Mosaic. You got choices now versus that other company with only one black lead.[/QUOTE]
Isn't DC doing a Vigilante comic starring a black guy?
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2493740][B]I think Bp's Issue is just that they haven't promoted him as much as they should of, If Priest and Hudlin had this much spotlight On T'Challa with their respective runs, i think there sales would atleast be 20k higher, especially since they kept readers captivated and their build up and pay offs were great[/B][/QUOTE]
But a big part of the reason the BP book is getting the promotion it's getting is because Coates is writing it.
With Hudlin they did give him a fair amount of promotion with the marriage to Storm though, and that caused a nice bump which dovetailed into the big Civil War event. As much as I felt Hudlin rushed into the marriage, I did feel from a promotional standpoint at least that was a very smart move.
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;2493869]Also what is happening with BP that was NOT happening in the past?[/QUOTE]
CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR
[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;2493869]For ONCE products with him are popping up in stores unlike in the past you had to be lucky to find it.
How many times has he been featured on Marvel.com? Heck he and Cage are listed when you sign into Marvel insider page.[/QUOTE]
Wow, the two black characters who had a hit movie and a popular Netflix series are getting promotion. It MUST be because of the comics. :D
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[QUOTE=XPac;2493716]Even before the movie, Black Panther kept getting second and third chances while other books didn't. I always felt that marvel editorial had a bit of a soft spot for BP. Since Hudlin's run we never really went or any lengthy of time without a BP appearing somewhere in a monthly title (even if it wasn't a solo book). But now because of the movie I'm fairly certain we never will. I'm cautionsly optimistic that we'll always have a BP book at marvel in some way, shape or form.[/QUOTE]
IDK if its a soft spot... comics love their "early" characters and BP is one of them. Plus he has had a couple of lengthy solo runs and was an early avenger
and being first real black super hero helps
he is just in that "third tier" category where he is too interesting to sit on the shelf for too long but he isn't guaranteed a book every year. PUnisher and DD are in the solid B category where they aren't really franchises upon themselves like Cap,Thor, DP, Wolv and compnay but they always always always get books.
BP is down there with Strange and i guess Carol now and maybe someone like Moon Knight and Ghost Rider.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2493966]CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR
Wow, the two black characters who had a hit movie and a popular Netflix series are getting promotion. It MUST be because of the comics. :D[/QUOTE]
Lol.
Didnt help
Vision
Black Widow
Scarlet Witch
Ant Man
A movie will get you in the door but that's about it.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2493971]IDK if its a soft spot... comics love their "early" characters and BP is one of them. Plus he has had a couple of lengthy solo runs and was an early avenger
and being first real black super hero helps
he is just in that "third tier" category where he is too interesting to sit on the shelf for too long but he isn't guaranteed a book every year. PUnisher and DD are in the solid B category where they aren't really franchises upon themselves like Cap,Thor, DP, Wolv and compnay but they always always always get books.
BP is down there with Strange and i guess Carol now and maybe someone like Moon Knight and Ghost Rider.[/QUOTE]
Yep. Pretty much. I would put Thor in that Daredevil bracket. He isn't a franchise character.
Yeah, I put this group together
BP
Carol
Ghost Rider
Moon Knight
Punisher
She Hulk
With the Punisher getting the most support in that group and BP a close second
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;2493974]Lol.
Didnt help
Vision
Black Widow
Scarlet Witch
Ant Man
A movie will get you in the door but that's about it.[/QUOTE]
eh... they got 2? runs out of Lang who was in purgatory before hand.
ANd visions book was never ever gonna be a big seller... its a pure niche book and outside of picking up Thor's hammer he isn't much of a "wow" mcu character
And they refuse to promote Wanda anywhere, likely due to the X connection.
I'm not gonna pretend to know Widow's publication history lol
as far as I know, T'challa has a much much much more vast solo publication history than those 4 and is much more unique. Him being POC actually helped him for once.
not saying you are wrong... not sayign your are right either lol. I think the movie and actual promotion of a unique black character with a bad ass costume who turned around and was pure bad ass in the movie really helped... along with hiring a "named" writer who has national clout. As did being featured in a premier team book for 4 years and then a huge huge huge event book.
4 big pieces of the puzzle T'challa hasn't had before really.
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;2493982]Yep. Pretty much. I would put Thor in that Daredevil bracket. He isn't a franchise character.
Yeah, I put this group together
BP
Carol
Ghost Rider
Moon Knight
Punisher
She Hulk
With the Punisher getting the most support in that group and BP a close second[/QUOTE]
Thor was able to spawn off a second "thor" and Loki has had multiple smaller runs (JIM, Agent of Asgard, then in YA) as well... who is a Thor character. And Thor's mythos have been used as part of major events as well.
He seems to sell more than Iron MAn anyway (seriously bendis what happened lol?)
for funsies, i'd put them grouped something like...
1. Spider-Man
2. Cap, Thor, IM
3. Punisher, DD, Hulk
4. BP, Carol, MK, She Hulk, GR, Dr Strange
but with that movie protection, you could slide BP, Carol and DS up honestly. You can probably slot Miles in there in tier 3 as long as Bendis is alive, and Kamala ain't far behind.
Kept the X men out of it, their are weird.
1. DP, wolverine
2. the others that get solos sporadically but consistently... x23, mags, cable, gambit
3. big name team members... rogue, storm, jean, cyke, beast, iceman, ect
4. whoever is flavor o teh month
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I thought most people say that Alias is what boosted Scott Lang more than anything.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2493936]But a big part of the reason the BP book is getting the promotion it's getting is because Coates is writing it.
With Hudlin they did give him a fair amount of promotion with the marriage to Storm though, and that caused a nice bump which dovetailed into the big Civil War event. As much as I felt Hudlin rushed into the marriage, I did feel from a promotional standpoint at least that was a very smart move.[/QUOTE]
[B]No its Because showing up in the movie and being apart of the biggest event in the last 5 years that Tchalla was out into the spotlight. Coates helped, but trying to give the lion's share to him is inaccurate. Hudlin could only dream of getting this much promo from marvel. The amounts are vastly different. And that gap gets blown away when it comes to priest getting promo from marvel[/B]
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;2493999]I thought most people say that Alias is what boosted Scott Lang more than anything.[/QUOTE]
that ended what... 10 years ago though?
Lang didn't get his 2 recent books under Spencer because of that
GoG is another MCU "success" story as that franchise was dead
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2493986]eh... they got 2? runs out of Lang who was in purgatory before hand.
ANd visions book was never ever gonna be a big seller... its a pure niche book and outside of picking up Thor's hammer he isn't much of a "wow" mcu character
And they refuse to promote Wanda anywhere, likely due to the X connection.
I'm not gonna pretend to know Widow's publication history lol
as far as I know, T'challa has a much much much more vast solo publication history than those 4 and is much more unique. Him being POC actually helped him for once.
not saying you are wrong... not sayign your are right either lol. I think the movie and actual promotion of a unique black character with a bad ass costume who turned around and was pure bad ass in the movie really helped... along with hiring a "named" writer who has national clout. As did being featured in a premier team book for 4 years and then a huge huge huge event book.
4 big pieces of the puzzle T'challa hasn't had before really.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention that wanda, vision, black widow hawkeye dont have solo movies and are largely seen as role players part of an ensemble cast.
BP and Doctor Strange certainly have that stand alone in their own element feel. Between those 2 and GotG as a team, getting that MCU push as a lead has been beneficial. Carol's test will come a 1.5 year from now when we approach Infinity War.
Plus, no one actually believes Nighthawk#1 does 300k pre orders with Coates or that Angela Queen of Hel averages 70k/month for the first handful of books with him on board. BP just needed a great artist and a writer that was either popular (Morrison, Hickman, Bendis, Waid) or could be hyped up as great. And 'need' is a strong word, bc he was already on the bubble about to burst.
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Just read something about a guy robbing a bank in a BP mask. BP has arrived. Lol
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Recap vid of BP #8.
[video=youtube;iHTS4kIpoUM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHTS4kIpoUM[/video]
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2494198]Recap vid of BP #8.
[video=youtube;iHTS4kIpoUM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHTS4kIpoUM[/video][/QUOTE]
[B]I dunno why but it seems like in these videos, Coates says a whole lot of nothing, like he is just talking but nothing is being said[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2494320][B]I dunno why but it seems like in these videos, Coates says a whole lot of nothing, like he is just talking but nothing is being said[/B][/QUOTE]
[SIZE=3]
No different from the BS he and Roxanne Gay are pushing through their respective books.
A whole lot of false narrative laden and blatantly dishonest pretentious nothing.[/SIZE]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2494045][B]No its Because showing up in the movie and being apart of the biggest event in the last 5 years that Tchalla was out into the spotlight. Coates helped, but trying to give the lion's share to him is inaccurate. Hudlin could only dream of getting this much promo from marvel. The amounts are vastly different. And that gap gets blown away when it comes to priest getting promo from marvel[/B][/QUOTE]
Hudlin didn't lack support. He managed to pull in Storm and he wisely linked his book with whatever big time crossover was available.
Coates book has been on island so far.9 issues in and the biggest name he has had is Storm. Minor cameo by Tony.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2494045][B]No its Because showing up in the movie and being apart of the biggest event in the last 5 years that Tchalla was out into the spotlight. Coates helped, but trying to give the lion's share to him is inaccurate. Hudlin could only dream of getting this much promo from marvel. The amounts are vastly different. And that gap gets blown away when it comes to priest getting promo from marvel[/B][/QUOTE]
I think the movie is the reason the BP character is getting the promotion it's getting.
But as far as the comic book promotion goes... I think Coates deserves the lions share. If a different writer was writing it, it wouldn't get the same level of publicity it got. Coates generated a degree of hype which dovetailed into the movie hype, but if it were say Spencer announced writing the book, I don't think we'd get any mainstream coverage of that. We'd get mainstream coverage of the BP character... but not coverage specifically about the book and it's creative team. In most instances a comic book writer writing a comic book isn't news... but it was news that Coates was writing a comic book, speciically this comic book.
Coates writing the book created a sort of unique situation, which again came at a perfect storm with Coogler directing the movie. Had it been an in house comic book writer I don't believe that would have happened.
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[QUOTE=Rumble;2494143]Not to mention that wanda, vision, black widow hawkeye dont have solo movies and are largely seen as role players part of an ensemble cast.
BP and Doctor Strange certainly have that stand alone in their own element feel. Between those 2 and GotG as a team, getting that MCU push as a lead has been beneficial. Carol's test will come a 1.5 year from now when we approach Infinity War.
Plus, no one actually believes Nighthawk#1 does 300k pre orders with Coates or that Angela Queen of Hel averages 70k/month for the first handful of books with him on board. BP just needed a great artist and a writer that was either popular (Morrison, Hickman, Bendis, Waid) or could be hyped up as great. And 'need' is a strong word, bc he was already on the bubble about to burst.[/QUOTE]
The BP solo movie is on the horizon. Doc Strange book came out almost in the same year his movie did.
Here is what BP and Doc have in common. Hickman keeping them in the spotlight followed by superior artist doing their solos.
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;2494365]Hudlin didn't lack support. He managed to pull in Storm and he wisely linked his book with whatever big time crossover was available.
Coates book has been on island so far.9 issues in and the biggest name he has had is Storm. Minor cameo by Tony.[/QUOTE]
[B]I never said Hudlin lacked support, but he didn't have the nearly as much support from marvel as Coates had now. There are events and Tv shows and games and Coates can do whatever he wants without push back from them because Priest and Hudlin did the heavy lifting for him in establishing Tchalla as a badass who can hang with the best.
Again if Priest and Hudlin had all the spotlight and promo going on for their respective runs they would been doing bigger numbers as well and likely for longer because they're stories are actually Interesting and have big payouts[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2494453][B]I never said Hudlin lacked support, but he didn't have the nearly as much support from marvel as Coates had now. There are events and Tv shows and games and Coates can do whatever he wants without push back from them because Priest and Hudlin did the heavy lifting for him in establishing Tchalla as a badass who can hang with the best.
Again if Priest and Hudlin had all the spotlight and promo going on for their respective runs they would been doing bigger numbers as well and likely for longer because they're stories are actually Interesting and have big payouts[/B][/QUOTE]
Some folks need all of the above spelt out for them and even then they stay stuck on selective amnesia.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2494453][B]I never said Hudlin lacked support, but he didn't have the nearly as much support from marvel as Coates had now. There are events and Tv shows and games and Coates can do whatever he wants without push back from them because Priest and Hudlin did the heavy lifting for him in establishing Tchalla as a badass who can hang with the best.
Again if Priest and Hudlin had all the spotlight and promo going on for their respective runs they would been doing bigger numbers as well and likely for longer because they're stories are actually Interesting and have big payouts[/B][/QUOTE]
Exactly! Well said.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2494368]But as far as the comic book promotion goes... I think Coates deserves the lions share. If a different writer was writing it, it wouldn't get the same level of publicity it got. Coates generated a degree of hype which dovetailed into the movie hype, but if it were say Spencer announced writing the book, I don't think we'd get any mainstream coverage of that. We'd get mainstream coverage of the BP character... but not coverage specifically about the book and it's creative team. In most instances a comic book writer writing a comic book isn't news... but it was news that Coates was writing a comic book, speciically this comic book. [/QUOTE]
This is entirely true. Coates garnered more hype because he's a famous columnist. Marvel LOVES doing that: "Look! Here's a comic written by a novelist/TV writer/actor/stand-up comic/former wrestler! Hype! Hype! HYPE!"
That doesn't earn Coates one bit of credit for the character's success, because of one simple fact:
If Coates' name alone was worth so many readers... why aren't they still there? You can point to the falling market all you want, but if the new readers were only there because of his name, they wouldn't CARE about that.
Instead, what I see is that all that promotion you say Coates "deserves" led to an unnaturally huge number of curious first readers... who then left in droves. And now, the book is at or near the usual level for a Panther book, and may or may not drop further.
If the book had remained a huge success, I'm sure you'd give Coates the credit. So I think it's fair to say, as the book appears to be fading, that he's earned the blame as well.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2494621]This is entirely true. Coates garnered more hype because he's a famous columnist. Marvel LOVES doing that: "Look! Here's a comic written by a novelist/TV writer/actor/stand-up comic/former wrestler! Hype! Hype! HYPE!"
That doesn't earn Coates one bit of credit for the character's success, because of one simple fact:
If Coates' name alone was worth so many readers... why aren't they still there? You can point to the falling market all you want, but if the new readers were only there because of his name, they wouldn't CARE about that.
Instead, what I see is that all that promotion you say Coates "deserves" led to an unnaturally huge number of curious first readers... who then left in droves. And now, the book is at or near the usual level for a Panther book, and may or may not drop further.
If the book had remained a huge success, I'm sure you'd give Coates the credit. So I think it's fair to say, as the book appears to be fading, that he's earned the blame as well.[/QUOTE]
He gets the credit of the book performs better than average. He gets the blame if it performs worse than average. If the book drops into the low 20's or below, I'm certain marvel will decide to re-evaluate things.
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Just read issue 9..
The entire book is literally T'Challa bashing himself from within and the MA bashing him from without...
And the heavy feminist agenda is now bordering on parody.
You'd SWEAR if you had no knowledge of T'Challa's history that he was raping the DM's morning, noon, and night. Coates is completely erasing every single noble act that T'Challa ever performed as their King.
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The book is called Black Panther
T'challa was on 3 pages period.
This was another set up issue... at issue #9 in a story that has no real arcs.
*shrug*
I did like T'challa's criticism of Changamire, it was well written
Until it turned around into more self doubt. The... "not fit to be king stuff" reads... better with the preceeding monologue. I just wish the language was written better. If he is ill fitted for the crown, we should be told WHY in a way that makes T'challa look good... not look depressed and incompetent.
Is he ill fitted because he prefers to be super heroing? He feels he is bigger than Wakanda... he is a protector of the world? If so... tell us THAT. Tell us something heroic. Give us a reason to cheer for THE TITLE CHARACTER.
This issue is supposed to set up the big battle... changamire is deprssed. MA are depressed. T'challa is depressed. the only ones rising are the villains. Whicih fits a big battle with large consequences.
But I have no hope he can pay off this humungous amount of pay off ina way that makes T'challa look good, not look like a failure
Art was dope for, in his wheel house with no action
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2 books with Black Panther in the title came out in the last two weeks and he was on what 4 pages max
I'm really getting sick of this.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2494660]The book is called Black Panther
T'challa was on 3 pages period.
This was another set up issue... at issue #9 in a story that has no real arcs.
*shrug*
I did like T'challa's criticism of Changamire, it was well written
Until it turned around into more self doubt. The... "not fit to be king stuff" reads... better with the preceeding monologue. I just wish the language was written better. If he is ill fitted for the crown, we should be told WHY in a way that makes T'challa look good... not look depressed and incompetent.
Is he ill fitted because he prefers to be super heroing? He feels he is bigger than Wakanda... he is a protector of the world? If so... tell us THAT. Tell us something heroic. Give us a reason to cheer for THE TITLE CHARACTER.
This issue is supposed to set up the big battle... changamire is deprssed. MA are depressed. T'challa is depressed. the only ones rising are the villains. Whicih fits a big battle with large consequences.
But I have no hope he can pay off this humungous amount of pay off ina way that makes T'challa look good, not look like a failure
Art was dope for, in his wheel house with no action[/QUOTE]
Ah, but you are assuming Coates WANTS to portray T'Challa as anything other than a depressed, incompetent failure.
I've not seen the issue, but the vibe I get from this thread is that the basic message is "The Dora Milaje are right, only their methods are wrong".
This does not surprise me in the least.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2494679]Ah, but you are assuming Coates WANTS to portray T'Challa as anything other than a depressed, incompetent failure.
I've not seen the issue, but the vibe I get from this thread is that the basic message is "The Dora Milaje are right, only their methods are wrong".
This does not surprise me in the least.[/QUOTE]
He is trying to show all sides tbf
trying is the key word though.
We get T'challa's side... (to be blunt), the rebels are expecting all this stuff and missing the fact that T'challa is fighting builders and beyonders
We get the MA's side... (to be blunt), they just see Wakanda burning. The end. and blame the guy thats king (king for all of 5 minutes).
And then we have Chang stuck in the middle, who is basically an internet liberal who thinks if you do XYZ, the world would be great!!!!.... on paper. In reality, it didn't work and just caused even more blood shed.
And then The People... who just want to power. Period.
Coates showed the 4 sides of the debate.
THe problem is... he hasn't shown us why T'challa's side is the "right" side (which you would think would be the point of a Black Panther book). And there is no way any new-ish reader would know that T'challa IS heroic, he IS a protector of the multiverse at this point. This book doesn't emphasize that at all. Coates expects everyone to have an intimate knowledge of Hickman's run. Which is fair... but I feel misguided to do that coming off the movie.
The even bigger problem is the consistent feminine agenda stuff. Tetu's men are raping too. "T'challas" men are raping. rape rape rape... with no response from T'challa's side. This would have been a PERFECT opportunity to show that TCHALLA IS AN HONORABLE MAN. Tetu isnt. There are rapes and he just blows it off and blames it on T'challa. THis would have been a perfect contrasts..... except in 9 issues we never got a response from the royals/T'challa about the rape camps from issue 1. So instead, it comes across as 'wakandan men love rape' to be blunt while poor ol MA's are the victims.
I swear, at one point, the MA's were not supposed to be THIS sympathetic (hence ayo dying in #4) but Marvel realized they may have potential profits involved and changed the story a bit.
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;2494369][B]The BP solo movie is on the horizon. [/B]Doc Strange book came out almost in the same year his movie did.
Here is what BP and Doc have in common. Hickman keeping them in the spotlight followed by superior artist doing their solos.[/QUOTE]
BP appeared in Civil War and was hyped up as a big deal/third piece with a solo movie in development (and was well received in early reviews of CW). And it came out within a few months of the book. So clearly both Strange and BP had that in common (big MCU appearances, as big deals/new leads), as I was alluding to.
Sure they also have Hickman in common.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2494693]The even bigger problem is the consistent feminine agenda stuff. Tetu's men are raping too. "T'challas" men are raping. rape rape rape... with no response from T'challa's side. This would have been a PERFECT opportunity to show that TCHALLA IS AN HONORABLE MAN. Tetu isnt. There are rapes and he just blows it off and blames it on T'challa. THis would have been a perfect contrasts..... except in 9 issues we never got a response from the royals/T'challa about the rape camps from issue 1. So instead, it comes across as 'wakandan men love rape' to be blunt.[/QUOTE]
Seriously?
I mean SERIOUSLY?
I got nothing. *smh*
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[QUOTE=Ziggiyy;2494648]Just read issue 9..
The entire book is literally T'Challa bashing himself from within and the MA bashing him from without...
And the heavy feminist agenda is now bordering on parody.
You'd SWEAR if you had no knowledge of T'Challa's history that he was raping the DM's morning, noon, and night. Coates is completely erasing every single noble act that T'Challa ever performed as their King.[/QUOTE]
After issue #8, I offically dropped the book and didn't bother with WoW #2. But it sounds like Coates is done with any subtleties
And people are saying we're back to the rapey stuff?
But now every male is giving out rapes? Like Oprah does cars? :confused:
cotdamn...
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2494697]Seriously?
I mean SERIOUSLY?
I got nothing. *smh*[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rumble;2494715]After issue #8, I offically dropped the book and didn't bother with WoW #2. But it sounds like Coates is done with any subtleties
And people are saying we're back to the rapey stuff?
But now every male is giving out rapes? Like Oprah does cars? :confused:
cotdamn...[/QUOTE]
i'll post some scans maybe tomorrow. don't wanna spoil the fun for everyone else.
Its just more of the same. Some good moments, some cringeworthy agenda pushing, no action at all, more set up.
but man, Coates has got that "last page of the comic" cliffhanger DOWN though. Its on point lol. Every issue seems to be