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[QUOTE=XPac;3112487]It has to be more than just his voice, because he effected Hodari before he even spoke a word in that scene.
Again, it's possible T'Challa can and will develop tech to counter what Faustus did in the future... but obviously he didn't have something ready during SE and given Faustus is using an entirely new method to control people I'm not sure why we should assume he would.
But was the Wakandan army chumped? Yes... red shirts get chumped by actual villains. That's sort of the reason red shirts are in stories to begin with. Red shirts can do well against other red shirts, hence us seeing the Wakandan army dominating the Hydra army. But they pretty much always gets get beaten by actual villains. The actual heroes are needed to deal with that.[/QUOTE]
[B]That's How his mind control is supposed to work, through his voice. The whole thing was bullshit. Yes Redshirt's get defeated by villains. But for Wakandan army to be defeated by Faustus is a Huge slap in The face to Wakanda Given what we know about Wakanda and taking on big threats, and about Faustus being z list.
Funny how you defend everything that happens with some excuse. We could see some bullshit on panel of Doom coming up and back handing Tchalla, killing Ramonda, and leaving and in response Tchalla gives him a grumpy look and and you still would likely give an excuse for Such shitty writing.
Sometimes you need to call out bullshit when it happens[/B]
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3112804]OK, so well before Hudlin retconned Wakanda to have never been conquered.[/QUOTE]
Wakanda has never been conquered period.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3112804]OK, so well before Hudlin retconned Wakanda to have never been conquered.[/QUOTE]
Well, we all know how god he was with continuity ;)
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3112835]Wakanda has never been conquered period.[/QUOTE]
I don't disagree, but it wasn't a key point of their story until Who is the Black Panther?
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3112797]It apparently different than yours since they keep saying Wakanda has never been conquered.
And Faustus isn't Shadow King.[/QUOTE]
Honestly yes, by my definition of conquered I'd say it's technically not accurate to say it was never conquered. But either way, hyping up the fact that Wakanda at least was never taken by force prior to the Cabal is certainly something worth praising. Overlooking stuff like Secret Wars 2 and Emperor Doom is no big deal.
And I would agree that Faustud is no shadow king. Nonetheless if there's any evidence that Wakanda has some sort of protocol against mass mind control I'm not seeing it. Though the tech we'really seeing in Coates run could theoretically be the seeds of that, at least against telepathy.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3112835]Wakanda has never been conquered period.[/QUOTE]
One of the recap pages in Doom War actually states that Wakamda has been conquered ( though honestly I wouldn't count that). I would however count the Cabal as Wakamda being conquered. And honestly I think SE probably would too, if Hydra has taken over the army and captured their king.
So I think we're past the point where we can say Wakanda has never been conquered.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3112946]Honestly yes, by my definition of conquered I'd say it's technically not accurate to say it was never conquered. But either way, hyping up the fact that Wakanda at least was never taken by force prior to the Cabal is certainly something worth praising. Overlooking stuff like Secret Wars 2 and Emperor Doom is no big deal.
And I would agree that Faustud is no shadow king. Nonetheless if there's any evidence that Wakanda has some sort of protocol against mass mind control I'm not seeing it. Though the tech we'really seeing in Coates run could theoretically be the seeds of that, at least against telepathy.[/QUOTE]
Wakanda wasn't taken by the Cabal. It was destroyed for sure, but never conquered.
The Cabal never set themselves up as rulers of Wakanda.
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3112885]Well, we all know how god he was with continuity ;)[/QUOTE]
I think it's sort of like how they say T'Challa has never beaten Killmomger. To be an accurate statement you have to sweep a few instances u Der the rug on account of technicalities.
But hyping the notion of Wakanda being unconquered, just like hypin Killmomger being undefeated, is sort of more important for the storytelling so they just sort of let a few things fly by. You don't let facts get in the way of a good story I guess.
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[spoil]Well looks like the real Wolverine is making a comeback. If you ask me it's only a matter of time until the X-Office makes Storm fly out of Wakanda and hops in bed with him again. Lol.[/spoil]
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[QUOTE=BlackClaw;3115970][spoil]Well looks like the real Wolverine is making a comeback. If you ask me it's only a matter of time until the X-Office makes Storm fly out of Wakanda and hops in bed with him again. Lol.[/spoil][/QUOTE]
Time to gear up the band for the "I told you"
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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;3115982]Time to gear up the band for the "I told you"[/QUOTE]
They didn't want to listen when we said Coates was wasting his damn time. Reality always had other plans. Especially with 2018 right around the corner.
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[QUOTE=BlackClaw;3115970][spoil]Well looks like the real Wolverine is making a comeback. If you ask me it's only a matter of time until the X-Office makes Storm fly out of Wakanda and hops in bed with him again. Lol.[/spoil][/QUOTE]
[B]Yep, saw that earlier. Gonna peace out like
[img]https://media.tenor.com/images/53285ed070aea4f963141d04a1d23fae/tenor.gif[/img][/B]
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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKXbiaEWkAALs68.jpg[/IMG]
Preist era Black panther by Kyle Hotz. Ball point pen sketch.
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKcAW0VXcAAC6-8.jpg[/IMG]
Coates era Black Panther by Stelfreeze at Baltimore Comic con.
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[QUOTE=BlackClaw;3115970][spoil]Well looks like the real Wolverine is making a comeback. If you ask me it's only a matter of time until the X-Office makes Storm fly out of Wakanda and hops in bed with him again. Lol.[/spoil][/QUOTE]
for you guys not to like storm u sure talk about her a lot lol.
and not going to happen. jean is coming back to and that's first love.
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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;3115982]Time to gear up the band for the "I told you"[/QUOTE]
Hahahahah
To be fair, the [I]other[/I] one is coming back too. That other one was always the "main chick" anyway...
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3116205]for you guys not to like storm u sure talk about her a lot lol.
and not going to happen. jean is coming back to and that's first love.[/QUOTE]
Speaking for myself, post Priest, Hudlin, McDuffie and Liss, I don't give a frak about Storm as part of the BP mythos moving forward for as long as Coates is writing BP related material.
The sooner Coates tenure as BP writer comes to an end, the better.
Anyone truly familiar with all of the BP enthusiasts who loved the marriage know that we had Ororo's back on some true believer shit until the X-Office decided to weaponise Storm and the X-men against T'Challa and Wakanda.
AvX was the last straw for me as regarded X-Office led disrespect aimed at the BP mythos.
Coates X-book fetishism is dragging the BP mythos down so please God, get Coates off BP writing duties post haste.
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[QUOTE=phumgano;3116156][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKXbiaEWkAALs68.jpg[/IMG]
Preist era Black panther by Kyle Hotz. Ball point pen sketch.
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKcAW0VXcAAC6-8.jpg[/IMG]
Coates era Black Panther by Stelfreeze at Baltimore Comic con.[/QUOTE]
[B]Kyle Hotz art is on point. Stelfreeze art is good too but its ruined by Coates[/B]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3116205]for you guys not to like storm u sure talk about her a lot lol.
and not going to happen. jean is coming back to and that's first love.[/QUOTE]
Scott Summers will have that on lock when he returns. Meanwhile Jean & Storm can "Archie" themselves for that hairy guy.
As for the Storm talk-seeing it's her book, why not? Since Cotes been trying to audition for one. Now that nonsense will end soon and he can go back to his real job of building up the actual lead of the book.
And take the Midnight Angles with her.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3116205]for you guys not to like storm u sure talk about her a lot lol.
and not going to happen. jean is coming back to and that's first love.[/QUOTE]
I can only speak for myself.
I don't have any problem with Storm. I like her and know that she should be handled much better than she has been over the past 2 decades by Marvel writer/editorial group. She's as much a victim of bad writing and management as T'Challa.
I'm just not falling for this renewed relationship. I don't trust Marvel to do it right. Think about how they had them both acting towards each other at the end. Is that how you show respect for two iconic characters?
Coates maybe doing a good job writing Storm but so far, they only one who admitted any wrong doing was T'Challa. As far as I know, Storm hasn't admitted that she was wrong to sneak the X-Men into Wakanda. She didn't admit that her own actions towards the end were wrong. But she can't do it because no writer is going to write that story. T'Challa will always be seen as the one who ruined the marriage by any X-writer and apparently to Coates. He has yet to write her admitting guilt for her part.
So Storm isn't the issue for me. I remember many BP/Storm fans fighting for the marriage only to see T'Challa get chumped by X-writers with their own anti-BP agenda.
Get a writer who is invested in doing the marriage right and not be swayed by Unfans and things can get better.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3116598]I can only speak for myself.
I don't have any problem with Storm. I like her and know that she should be handled much better than she has been over the past 2 decades by Marvel writer/editorial group. She's as much a victim of bad writing and management as T'Challa.
I'm just not falling for this renewed relationship. I don't trust Marvel to do it right. Think about how they had them both acting towards each other at the end. Is that how you show respect for two iconic characters?
Coates maybe doing a good job writing Storm but so far, they only one who admitted any wrong doing was T'Challa. As far as I know, Storm hasn't admitted that she was wrong to sneak the X-Men into Wakanda. She didn't admit that her own actions towards the end were wrong. But she can't do it because no writer is going to write that story. T'Challa will always be seen as the one who ruined the marriage by any X-writer and apparently to Coates. He has yet to write her admitting guilt for her part.
So Storm isn't the issue for me. I remember many BP/Storm fans fighting for the marriage only to see T'Challa get chumped by X-writers with their own anti-BP agenda.
Get a writer who is invested in doing the marriage right and not be swayed by Unfans and things can get better.[/QUOTE]
Didnt Prof. X say she was on the wrong side of AvX?
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[QUOTE=Cville;3116848]Didnt Prof. X say she was on the wrong side of AvX?[/QUOTE]
He did say that to her during AvX and she did switch sides. But she never admitted any fault for bring X-Men into Wakanda nor did she admit any fault in how the marriage ended.
No writer is touching this. All the blame is being placed at the feet of T'Challa and Coates is just an enabler for Storm's character right now.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3116878]He did say that to her during AvX and she did switch sides. But she never admitted any fault for bring X-Men into Wakanda nor did she admit any fault in how the marriage ended.
No writer is touching this. All the blame is being placed at the feet of T'Challa and Coates is just an enabler for Storm's character right now.[/QUOTE]
I see where you're coming from. That is what happens when you hang out with people like Wolvie and Prof.X. lol
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I don't know Wolverine coming back around the same time Jean coming back is a sign they about to get pushed together. When and If Cyke comes back they can continue to pursue anti hero Cyke with Emma.
Just waiting for Azzari to make that jump back to the past now so I can get my BP family team up
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3116406]Speaking for myself, post Priest, Hudlin, McDuffie and Liss, I don't give a frak about Storm as part of the BP mythos moving forward for as long as Coates is writing BP related material.
The sooner Coates tenure as BP writer comes to an end, the better.
Anyone truly familiar with all of the BP enthusiasts who loved the marriage know that we had Ororo's back on some true believer shit until the X-Office decided to weaponise Storm and the X-men against T'Challa and Wakanda.
AvX was the last straw for me as regarded X-Office led disrespect aimed at the BP mythos.
Coates X-book fetishism is dragging the BP mythos down so please God, get Coates off BP writing duties post haste.[/QUOTE]
i think all of this is fair as long as consideration is made that is not the character and the writer. i admit post the annulment I didn't necessarily see how bad the x-offices were trolling bp through storm; however, it was very apparent here the last time when the current writer of gold wrote storm kissing gambit as Coates was working to repair bp and storm relationship.
[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;3116584]Scott Summers will have that on lock when he returns. Meanwhile Jean & Storm can "Archie" themselves for that hairy guy.
As for the Storm talk-seeing it's her book, why not? Since Cotes been trying to audition for one. Now that nonsense will end soon and he can go back to his real job of building up the actual lead of the book.
And take the Midnight Angles with her.[/QUOTE]
Cyclops will be.on Emma's jock. and if not it will be a love triangle with her and jean, with Logan trying to get jean back. storm won't be a part of that trust.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3116598]I can only speak for myself.
I don't have any problem with Storm. I like her and know that she should be handled much better than she has been over the past 2 decades by Marvel writer/editorial group. She's as much a victim of bad writing and management as T'Challa.
I'm just not falling for this renewed relationship. I don't trust Marvel to do it right. Think about how they had them both acting towards each other at the end. Is that how you show respect for two iconic characters?
Coates maybe doing a good job writing Storm but so far, they only one who admitted any wrong doing was T'Challa. As far as I know, Storm hasn't admitted that she was wrong to sneak the X-Men into Wakanda. She didn't admit that her own actions towards the end were wrong. But she can't do it because no writer is going to write that story. T'Challa will always be seen as the one who ruined the marriage by any X-writer and apparently to Coates. He has yet to write her admitting guilt for her part.
So Storm isn't the issue for me. I remember many BP/Storm fans fighting for the marriage only to see T'Challa get chumped by X-writers with their own anti-BP agenda.
Get a writer who is invested in doing the marriage right and not be swayed by Unfans and things can get better.[/QUOTE]
the point about the writing and management I totally agree with (and was point and I know you personally don't have issue with storm. i can't say I agree that storm should apologize for things leading up to the annulment. she held him down when he almost died, when people including the dora milaje vocally expressed their disapproval of the union, during doomwar when she was humiliated by doom and tchalla seemingly had to think about choosing between her or vibranium she stayed and fought with him, during hell's kitchen when he left her/wakanda and when he saved her life he berated her badly. i hate rehashing the deeds of what occurred during their marriage especially since this is a bp appreciation but she was a loyal wife and put aside herself to prop him up. what she did during AvX was her doing what she believed to be right to prevent the Phoenix from destroying the world. just as bp abandoned wakanda when shuri was believed to have been killed he did it not because he was bad person but for for noble causes. the inconsistent story telling about him heating her was I believe to be an editorial mistake. all in all, I think neither were written to the best the could have been during the marriage and I definitely don't think the annulment was handled well. it was ooc for them both.
i think Coates had written them well working together and showing how effectual they can be to each other both emotionally and as it relates to battling an adversary.
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Unpopular opinion. Hudlin always had good dialogue that he would undercut by throwing in some quippy line at the end. My favourite scene in his run is the "There is no feat I acheive that you are not capable of" to the little boy. The part where he the people say "And that's why he's the...Black Panther" always threw me off.
And this one. Get rid of that bottom right panel it's a great moment without it.
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/pcAVDCr.jpg?2[/IMG]
Side note, this dude calls every woman he wants to diddle a goddess. He's such a dork, man I love T'challa so much.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3117370]
i think Coates had written them well working together and showing how effectual they can be to each other both emotionally and as it relates to battling an adversary.[/QUOTE]
If by well you mean chasing after her like a lost puppy then I agree. Throw some game behave with confidence, that's the ticket. Storm ain't going for some mopey soft spoken man. You know she likes them bad boys. lol
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[QUOTE=phumgano;3117402]Unpopular opinion. Hudlin always had good dialogue that he would undercut by throwing in some quippy line at the end. My favourite scene in his run is the "There is no feat I acheive that you are not capable of" to the little boy. The part where he the people say "And that's why he's the...Black Panther" always threw me off.
And this one. Get rid of that bottom right panel it's a great moment without it.
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/pcAVDCr.jpg?2[/IMG]
Side note, this dude calls every woman he wants to diddle a goddess. He's such a dork, man I love T'challa so much.[/QUOTE]
I love those lines. They can add comedic relief to serious situations
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[QUOTE=phumgano;3117402]Unpopular opinion. Hudlin always had good dialogue that he would undercut by throwing in some quippy line at the end. My favourite scene in his run is the "There is no feat I acheive that you are not capable of" to the little boy. The part where he the people say "And that's why he's the...Black Panther" always threw me off.
And this one. Get rid of that bottom right panel it's a great moment without it.
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/pcAVDCr.jpg?2[/IMG]
Side note, this dude calls every woman he wants to diddle a goddess. He's such a dork, man I love T'challa so much.[/QUOTE]
Other Wakandans have used the label of goddess for both Storm and Monica fairly liberally. I do sort of wonder if it's a cultural thing, or of it only applies to hot female metahumans you wanna get with.
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[QUOTE=Rumble;3116211]Hahahahah
To be fair, the [I]other[/I] one is coming back too. That other one was always the "main chick" anyway...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=phumgano;3117402]Unpopular opinion. Hudlin always had good dialogue that he would undercut by throwing in some quippy line at the end. My favourite scene in his run is the "There is no feat I acheive that you are not capable of" to the little boy. The part where he the people say "And that's why he's the...Black Panther" always threw me off.
And this one. Get rid of that bottom right panel it's a great moment without it.
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/pcAVDCr.jpg?2[/IMG]
Side note, this dude calls every woman he wants to diddle a goddess. He's such a dork, man I love T'challa so much.[/QUOTE]
Good times, love those Easter eggs in RH runs.. Such as Red Foxx/Fred Sanford & Don "Bubba" Bexley showing up in BP
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[QUOTE=phumgano;3117402]Unpopular opinion. Hudlin always had good dialogue that he would undercut by throwing in some quippy line at the end. My favourite scene in his run is the "There is no feat I acheive that you are not capable of" to the little boy. The part where he the people say "And that's why he's the...Black Panther" always threw me off.
And this one. Get rid of that bottom right panel it's a great moment without it.
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/pcAVDCr.jpg?2[/IMG]
Side note, this dude calls every woman he wants to diddle a goddess. He's such a dork, man I love T'challa so much.[/QUOTE]
...and that's why I hated Hudlin's run. He had to tear down characters to make T'Challa look better, while others stood on the sidelines to act as cheerleaders telling the audience how great T'Challa was.
Monica knew the extent of her abilities from the *start*. She took on freakin' Zeus.
And T'Challa 'teaching' Monica in this story? What great insight does he have?
Use sunlight against vampires.
Yeah, that's some straight super science there (damn the lack of eye rolling emoticon!)
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[QUOTE=phumgano;3117402]Unpopular opinion. Hudlin always had good dialogue that he would undercut by throwing in some quippy line at the end. My favourite scene in his run is the "There is no feat I acheive that you are not capable of" to the little boy. The part where he the people say "And that's why he's the...Black Panther" always threw me off.
And this one. Get rid of that bottom right panel it's a great moment without it.
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/pcAVDCr.jpg?2[/IMG]
Side note, this dude calls every woman he wants to diddle a goddess. He's such a dork, man I love T'challa so much.[/QUOTE]
Too bad Monica is with Blue Marvel. She and T'Challa would've made a great couple.
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[QUOTE=BlackClaw;3117935]Too bad Monica is with Blue Marvel. She and T'Challa would've made a great couple.[/QUOTE]
Eh...Adam and Monica are a lot more appropriate couple than T'Challa and Monica. Although if I were writing Monica or Adam I'd probably fix them up with different folks.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3117370]
the point about the writing and management I totally agree with (and was point and I know you personally don't have issue with storm. i can't say I agree that storm should apologize for things leading up to the annulment. she held him down when he almost died, when people including the dora milaje vocally expressed their disapproval of the union, during doomwar when she was humiliated by doom and tchalla seemingly had to think about choosing between her or vibranium she stayed and fought with him, during hell's kitchen when he left her/wakanda and when he saved her life he berated her badly. i hate rehashing the deeds of what occurred during their marriage especially since this is a bp appreciation but she was a loyal wife and [B]put aside herself to prop him up.[/B] [B]what she did during AvX was her doing what she believed to be right to prevent the Phoenix from destroying the world.[/B] just as bp abandoned wakanda when shuri was believed to have been killed he did it not because he was bad person but for for noble causes. the inconsistent story telling about him heating her was I believe to be an editorial mistake. all in all, I think neither were written to the best the could have been during the marriage and I definitely don't think the annulment was handled well. it was ooc for them both.[/QUOTE]
See, this is the problem that BP fans have. Storm "propping" BP up.
BP had a series long before Storm became a part of his cast. How could she put herself aside to prop anyone up when she wasn't doing anything in any X-book? If anything, her coming over to BP was a good move to help her. She got out from being 6th in line in the X-books to being featured in a book outside of the X-verse. And when Unfans finally got their wish with the marriage ending and Storm's return, what happened? She got a dreadful solo and her return to her seat on the back of the X-bus.
This isn't speculation or opinion, it's fact. Storm was relegated back to 6th place on the X-list. BP went on to be a lead in Hickman's New Avengers and played a prominent role in Secret Wars. He had a breakout role in a blockbuster movies in Civil War and has one of the most highly anticipated movies coming out soon.
But putting that aside, let's look at what Marvel had her do wrong:
Storm snuck X-Men into Wakanda without telling anyone else in the Royal family or government and put Wakandans at risk. She went Real Housewives of Atlanta with her nasty remarks about her husband. She got into a fist fight with her husband She jumped straight into the arms of another man in minutes without so much a backward glance. She was over T'Challa but interfered in some silly scene thrown out there by an X-writer.
However, like I said, these are action that writers are having Storm commit.
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3117898]...and that's why I hated Hudlin's run. He had to tear down characters to make T'Challa look better, while others stood on the sidelines to act as cheerleaders telling the audience how great T'Challa was.
Monica knew the extent of her abilities from the *start*. She took on freakin' Zeus.
And T'Challa 'teaching' Monica in this story? What great insight does he have?
Use sunlight against vampires.
Yeah, that's some straight super science there (damn the lack of eye rolling emoticon!)[/QUOTE]
Though I appreciated Hudlin bothering to use Monica, I do sort of thing it was forced that he had to write Monica as a noob in order to show T'Challa teaching her how to use her powers.
Monica was able to figure out that she can turn into sunlight in order to harm a vamprie when she fought Dracula back in the day, and she didn't need T'Challa to tell her how to do that.
I wish there was a less experienced hero that Hudlin could have used for that scene.
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[QUOTE=ed2962;3117944]Eh...Adam and Monica are a lot more appropriate couple than T'Challa and Monica. Although if I were writing Monica or Adam I'd probably fix them up with different folks.[/QUOTE]
It took me a little while to warm up to Adam and Monica, because I was still shipping a little for Monica and Voodoo from Marvel Divas. But Adam and Monica are definately a good fit. I marked out a little when they were able to combine their powers. That was cool. I hope marvel keeps them together now that Ultimates ended. They definately work.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3118012]See, this is the problem that BP fans have. Storm "propping" BP up.
BP had a series long before Storm became a part of his cast. How could she put herself aside to prop anyone up when she wasn't doing anything in any X-book? If anything, her coming over to BP was a good move to help her. She got out from being 6th in line in the X-books to being featured in a book outside of the X-verse. And when Unfans finally got their wish with the marriage ending and Storm's return, what happened? She got a dreadful solo and her return to her seat on the back of the X-bus.
This isn't speculation or opinion, it's fact. Storm was relegated back to 6th place on the X-list. BP went on to be a lead in Hickman's New Avengers and played a prominent role in Secret Wars. He had a breakout role in a blockbuster movies in Civil War and has one of the most highly anticipated movies coming out soon.
But putting that aside, let's look at what Marvel had her do wrong:
Storm snuck X-Men into Wakanda without telling anyone else in the Royal family or government and put Wakandans at risk. She went Real Housewives of Atlanta with her nasty remarks about her husband. She got into a fist fight with her husband She jumped straight into the arms of another man in minutes without so much a backward glance. She was over T'Challa but interfered in some silly scene thrown out there by an X-writer.
However, like I said, these are action that writers are having Storm commit.[/QUOTE]
I find it funny how the unfans constantly shat on Black Panther during the marriage era and accused him of leeching off of Storms fame. Fast forward to the present where the man is gonna to be in a highly anticipated film and a cartoon. Meanwhile Storm has become nothing but wallpaper yet again in her own franchise. Sure Coates is doing her justice but at T'Challa's expense. Gee, I wonder who's the leech here?
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3118012]See, this is the problem that BP fans have. Storm "propping" BP up.
BP had a series long before Storm became a part of his cast. How could she put herself aside to prop anyone up when she wasn't doing anything in any X-book? If anything, her coming over to BP was a good move to help her. She got out from being 6th in line in the X-books to being featured in a book outside of the X-verse. And when Unfans finally got their wish with the marriage ending and Storm's return, what happened? She got a dreadful solo and her return to her seat on the back of the X-bus.
This isn't speculation or opinion, it's fact. Storm was relegated back to 6th place on the X-list. BP went on to be a lead in Hickman's New Avengers and played a prominent role in Secret Wars. He had a breakout role in a blockbuster movies in Civil War and has one of the most highly anticipated movies coming out soon.
But putting that aside, let's look at what Marvel had her do wrong:
Storm snuck X-Men into Wakanda without telling anyone else in the Royal family or government and put Wakandans at risk. She went Real Housewives of Atlanta with her nasty remarks about her husband. She got into a fist fight with her husband She jumped straight into the arms of another man in minutes without so much a backward glance. She was over T'Challa but interfered in some silly scene thrown out there by an X-writer.
However, like I said, these are action that writers are having Storm commit.[/QUOTE]
Another year, another Storm digression (same ol same ol) and another accurate objective statement by Marvell breaking things down. Should just be copy/paste at this point.
Conceptually she's a nice character to have around but if we're still overstating her sacrifices to him as a wife (when she didn't have much going for her before or after) or 'justifying' her AvX decisions... ehhh, she can go back to being led by Kitty Pryde or being old (young?) Logan's second (third?) option.
It's so whatever at this point. Until the day Fox shares the movie rights (lol) and someone like Fiege/Coogler get a hold of her, she's just one of those symbolic reminders (annoyances) of the last 5-6 years of shitty "It's T'Challa's fault" storytelling we've been subjected to... dragged out again b/c Coates lacks vision.
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[QUOTE=phumgano;3117402]Unpopular opinion. Hudlin always had good dialogue that he would undercut by throwing in some quippy line at the end. My favourite scene in his run is the "There is no feat I acheive that you are not capable of" to the little boy. The part where he the people say "And that's why he's the...Black Panther" always threw me off.
And this one. Get rid of that bottom right panel it's a great moment without it.
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/pcAVDCr.jpg?2[/IMG]
Side note, this dude calls every woman he wants to diddle a goddess. He's such a dork, man I love T'challa so much.[/QUOTE]
Such a great moment. It's why I appreciate Hudlin's run.
We asked him about Monica some months back and he said he thought the world of her, but that if Storm wasn't available he likely would have paired BP with a Wakandan love interest. It's interesting to think of how things would have changed if he had gone with either of those alternatives. BP would probably have still been married to either (Rambeau or Ms Wakanda) to this day... probably with a lil T'Chara Jr of his own. The ripple effects to doom war, AvX, Hickman's run if Monica had been on board, would've been fascinating.
Granted where there's a will there's a way so i'm sure Mayberry would've dug deep and still found a way to fukk over BP and Wakanda, but Monica's skill set would've made him have to work a little more.
Also wouldn't have had to deal with any mutants or mutant politics.
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A Wakandan love interest makes more sense because anyone from any other franchise is gonna run the risk of getting snatched away the minute someone in that other editorial pit wants to do something else with her. These sorts of cross-office romances almost never work out. Same damn thing happened when they tried hooking up Superman and Wonder Woman. They got a couple of years of mileage out of it and then to nobody's (who was paying attention) surprise, that all got undone so the writers could put Superman back with Lois.
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[QUOTE=Holt;3118288]A Wakandan love interest makes more sense because anyone from any other franchise is gonna run the risk of getting snatched away the minute someone in that other editorial pit wants to do something else with her. These sorts of cross-office romances almost never work out. Same damn thing happened when they tried hooking up Superman and Wonder Woman. They got a couple of years of mileage out of it and then to nobody (who was paying attention's surprise), that all got undone so the writers could put Superman back with Lois.[/QUOTE]
I agree. Ideally, I would want a Wakandan love interest with super powers. BP already has a Lois Lane type in the other Monica. So instead of having a Mary Jane to her Gwen, I would want him with someone a bit more excitable.
I wouldn't have been opposed to Rambeau since.. yknow.. nobody cares about her :/
I mean, they don't care about Storm either.. but that mutant community is a capricious tribal bunch