[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3715372]the tiger god isnt even a wakandan god. why would he involve himself with what is happening there?[/QUOTE]
Because Tchalla earned the use of his powers.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3715372]the tiger god isnt even a wakandan god. why would he involve himself with what is happening there?[/QUOTE]
Because Tchalla earned the use of his powers.
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3715463]Because the Adversary has been in more than one story:
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/VyCn5q8.jpg?1[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I think the point still stands though.
If in the earlier part of the story there are weather related problems, and the girl you happen to be dating has the power to control the weather, then getting her to help out is sort of a no brainer. I don't deny that mental can't be useful in an actual fight with the Adversary … but against out of control weather it's usefulness is a bit more limited. That's where Storm obviously can be handy.
[QUOTE=XPac;3715549]I think the point still stands though.
If in the earlier part of the story there are weather related problems, and the girl you happen to be dating has the power to control the weather, then getting her to help out is sort of a no brainer. I don't deny that mental can't be useful in an actual fight with the Adversary … but against out of control weather it's usefulness is a bit more limited. That's where Storm obviously can be handy.[/QUOTE]
There was no wild weather at the end of the story.
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3715457]So, [I]Rise Of The Black Panther #6[/I].…
I have good news and bad news.
The good news is, Narcisse is a better writer than Coates, and this issue is probably the strongest of the mini. It holds together pretty well, although there's a bit of handwaving, and the ending is soft. I'm sure some of you will like the feats Evan has T'Challa & Shuri pull off.
The bad news is, it's still not a very good story. Taken as a whole, it reads like a laundry list of cameos and Easter Eggs. There was literally no need for Namor, Doom, or Storm (for example) to appear in this tale at all, other than a desire to portray as many BP supporting characters and rogues as possible. In fact, there are 4 characters that probably SHOULD have been in this, but were foisted off with dialogue.
I would have been much happier if the Killmonger plot had taken center stage more, and there were fewer bits designed to appeal to long-term fans (or folks who liek to memorize handbooks & wiki pages :D )
Anyway, I'm not sure I'd follow him to an ongoing. Dude needs more seasoning. But the point is moot, I guess, as TNC has a stranglehold on the main title ([I]Galley Slaves of the Galaxy[/I], and the only spin-off is that [I]Wakanda Forever[/I] mini written by Nnedi Okorafor (who I don't particularly care for). So I'm basically done with comics for a while.
Laters, brothers.[/QUOTE]
The fact that it has feats alone is probably enough to make 80% of the people in this thread happy.
That said, I think part of the fun of doing a story like this are the easter eggs and cameos. You get to see the first time T'CHalla interacts with guys like Namor and Doom. And the first time he meets Storm again. I won't necessarily say that sort of thing makes the story better, but I think it sort of caters to the things that the fanbase would want to see in a year one story like this.
[QUOTE=Cville;3715551]There was no wild weather at the end of the story.[/QUOTE]
Storm can be pretty useful in dealing with non-weather related problems too.
My point being her being involved in getting help from her makes sense. The guy is already sort of dating her, so it's not much of a stretch.
[QUOTE=XPac;3715553]That said, I think part of the fun of doing a story like this are the easter eggs and cameos. You get to see the first time T'CHalla interacts with guys like Namor and Doom. And the first time he meets Storm again. I won't necessarily say that sort of thing makes the story better, but I think it sort of caters to the things that the fanbase would want to see in a year one story like this.[/QUOTE]
Oh, certainly. But it shouldn't be the ONLY goal of the story.
I'd be curious what Evan's job description was when he took the job.
Was it:
a) write a 6 issue mini about T'challa right when he took the throne.
or was it
b) write a 6 issue mini about T'challa right when he took the throne but make sure to do XYZ while you do it.
[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3715171]Black Panther: "This guy has a weakness to metal. I know, let's call in Storm."
Any kindergartener: "None of y'all got a paper clip?"[/QUOTE]
If only the BP mythos had access to a polymath top 10 genius known for prepping and super science macguffins while having access to a super metal and all the resources in the world.
OH yeah, I forgot. the BP mythos do have that... THUNDERBALL!!!!
[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3715671]I'd be curious what Evan's job description was when he took the job.
Was it:
a) write a 6 issue mini about T'challa right when he took the throne.
or was it
b) write a 6 issue mini about T'challa right when he took the throne but make sure to do XYZ while you do it.[/QUOTE]
I'm honestly not sure if the grocery list of guest characters were editorially-driven or not. I'm going to guess "No", simply because it wasn't stacked with characters from the movie.
[QUOTE=Cville;3715190]Oh Sh**t. I just looked that up. He does have a weakness to metal. Tchalla could have scienced this one. Lol. A vibranuium energy cell probably would have done the trick. Hell if Coates was clever, Tchalla would have turned Revibranium Klaw into a weapon against him.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, i was going to advise that some better quality writer would took the challenge of letting one of the smartest men alive actually prove his mettle by defeating Adversary on his own.
[QUOTE=XPac;3715558]Storm can be pretty useful in dealing with non-weather related problems too.
My point being her being involved in getting help from her makes sense. The guy is already sort of dating her, so it's not much of a stretch.[/QUOTE]
Bruh come on, that's like Captain America could dial up Thor to defeat most villians he goes up against but does he?
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3715372]the tiger god isnt even a wakandan god. why would he involve himself with what is happening there?[/QUOTE]
[B] Because T'Challa captured him and has him in a pokeball like sphere so he can't actually use him whenever. But then Coates couldn't retcon the Wakandan patheon for Storm bsl that's why he wasn't used[/B]
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3715686]I'm honestly not sure if the grocery list of guest characters were editorially-driven or not. I'm going to guess "No", simply because it wasn't stacked with characters from the movie.[/QUOTE]
[B] Well I would also add that rise was a year one, so the point of it was to show T'Challas first time as king and then his first interactions with other heroes or villains. I n fact if rise turned to an ongoing, I would like it to continue what it's doing now. Retelling first time encounters, like when Tchalla joined the Avengers and have his thoughts since he is spying on them, and other things, because it tells a different story yet gives him tome to get seasoned. If Coates gets to get "seasoned" on the main title with his dreck, I think it's fine for Evans to get season on a year one type Story that is actually decent and better then the main Title that gives fans what they are looking for[/B]
Black Panther Vol. 1 #14 - [i]The Beasts in the Jungle![/i]
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Just because Jack Kirby is gone, doesn't mean Black Panther is done yet. This issue, written by Ed Hannigan and penciled by Jerry Bingham, finds T'Challa in New York. He's inside the Wakandan Consulate. As far as a new status quo goes, this one makes a lot of sense. He's still tied to Wakanda but he has a reason to be in New York City and on the Avengers and all that. In the embassy, he is being questioned by US government officials who are still in shock that (a) Wakanda exists, (b) Wakanda is revealing itself to the world, and (c) Wakanda is really, really important. In many ways, this feels a lot like the final moments of the Black Panther movie. However, since this story was written in the Cold War, the US have a lot of questions related directly to the African politics of the era - particularly whether Wakanda would invite Cuban advisors into the country. I was always impressed when Lee and Kirby created Wakanda that they were willing to create a country that not only didn't choose sides but were shown to be tangibly benefitting from their neutrality. T'Challa made it clear there were important things to learn from working with both east and west. Anyway, T'Challa punts on answering the questions.
After that, the Avengers visit and we are treated to flashbacks to the last two story arcs. In it, they explicitly retcon the telepathic powers to say that he doesn't have telepathy or clairvoyance, just that his instincts were heightened so he can sense crisis points. Frankly, this is nonsense. The last story was explicit that his powers were much more than that. I have no idea why they didn't just say his powers faded over time. That would have been a plausible explanation. Instead, they basically say that his ability to communicate with his cousin telepathically and to sense what was written on cards while blindfolded was just some heightened sense to ability to sense crisis points. Even though I didn't like him having those powers, that's a pretty lame retcon that's pretty insulting to the reader.
T'Challa is out on the streets at night and sees a man he recognizes. As he follows him, the man is atacked by a racially diverse group of muggers. They're the Thunderbolt gang, who can also be seen in Daredevil 69 (a team up with Black Panther I might cover later where Turk was allegedly introduced). Although we can't see it at first, the muggers are shocked when they see the guy's face. One gang member, Herbie (the not robot) is less impressed and shoots the guy, which prompts T'Challa to jump in. He's pissed off at a society that lets children become killers and then promptly beats up the child in question. However, the stranger had a weird arm cannon thing that one of the gang members uses to knock everyone out. I'm burying the lead on what the arm cannon was but, if you're surprised, go look at the cover of this issue because ... the stranger was Ulysses Klaw! Fortunately, he's in a coma. T'Challa decides to take Klaw to Wakanda to analyze his condition and so he can stand trial for his crimes (damn comics, why do you have to keep ripping off the movies?).
First, he needs to retrieve Klaw's sound horn. Meanwhile, we're treated to a reappearance of Monica Lynn and Kevin Trublood, last seen in the Panther v. KKK that ended mid-cliffhanger when Jungle Action was cancelled. My recollection is this story has a terrible ending, but I'll find out in the next few weeks (maybe I'll give a quick summary of the story so far). They're being stalked by a man called Windeagle. Anyway, T'Challa is stalking the Thunderbolts. This is the next generation, which is less political but far more violent. Anyway, they found out a way to harnass the horn to create creatures of solid sound. If this seems convenient, it also seems clear that one of them is now possessed by Klaw. Anyway, T'Challa is over his head but is fortunately rescued in time by Captain America. Greatful for his help, they decide to team up in issue #15.
This issue feels like a jumping on point for people who weren't reading Jack Kirby's Black Panther. It's a new status quo, it has a retelling of T'Challa's origin, and it brings back his oldest villain. If this were a modern comic, it would have a new #1. Then again, if it were a new number one, it wouldn't get cancelled next issue. There's a lot of the modern Black Panther here - particularly in inspiration for Christopher Priest's run. T'Challa's bold path for Wakanda and unwillingness to stay hidden to preserve the status quo scares a lot of people, including Captain America. It seems clear Wakanda has the ability to become a world power if they wanted to and everyone is alarmed that T'Challa seemingly wants to.
Overall, this is an extremely dense issue if my review is any indication. But the new status quo feels better for the Black Panther. I know it all falls apart, but I thought this was a good story overall.
[QUOTE=dkrook;3715732]Bruh come on, that's like Captain America could dial up Thor to defeat most villians he goes up against but does he?[/QUOTE]
If Captain America was dating Thor, odds are it would at least be more likely.
That said, if Steve were dealing with a weather related problem, I can see him calling Thor even if they aren't dating.