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let's keep it real the MCU saved the M'Baku character.
When the movie was first announced I was screaming stay away just ignore him completely. You can't plop him the way he is in the comics into live action it will be disastrous.
Marvel said relax we got this. They reimagined him perfectly. Made him likable, relatable and endearing.
Still waiting on that retcon wave 616
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Infinity War potential spoiler video
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-EO1XPszC0[/url]
man I don't love the sound of this, kind of worried about the sequel I want most
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3650462]One transcription is: MalYeFa Ya Hoo, based on this:
[video=youtube_share;dztROTG2nEM]https://youtu.be/dztROTG2nEM[/video]
According to Google Translate, that means something like "What's happening".
Fiddling with the spacing a bit makes me think it's more likely something like "We are here" or "Let's go!", but without a more accurate spelling, I cannot be sure.
That being said, in the movie proper, it sounds more like "Matsa! Hoo Hoo!"
The second part may just be grunting or chanting, but the first sounds a LOT like the verb form "-matsha" which means "march!"[/QUOTE]
In the comments section, The Wrap transcribed it as "Mayafa ya hu". Using Google translate, I can't quite find a proper translation, but "yafa" means "broke down" and "uyafa" means "dies" and if you just type in "Mayafa" it translates it as "You are dying."
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The Making of the Black Panther Soundtrack with Ludwig:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RgztxurCpk[/url]
Baaba Maal's live recording of 'Wakanda'
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyQxTeQYmuc[/url]
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[QUOTE=Cville;3650693]Did they like him or were they just loyal to the Avengers brand? Are Miles, RiRi, and Defenders equally successful? My only interaction with his was Secret Invasion. The main story was terrible, but the side books were great. I purchased the main simply because it was the focus of the universe at the time.[/QUOTE]
No.
Bendis was losing his sales power around the time he took over GoG and the X-Line.
After his X stuff, he was just another writer at that point with no particular pull.
Even with Bendis jumping on popular MCU property after popular MCU property with some of the best artists in the game, his sales were just ok.
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[QUOTE=LastManStanding;3651023]The Making of the Black Panther Soundtrack with Ludwig:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RgztxurCpk[/url]
Baaba Maal's live recording of 'Wakanda'
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyQxTeQYmuc[/url][/QUOTE]
This man had better win an oscar for best score next year.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3650586]Except the point of the season wasn't really about where the gods are. We do get some back story about them, but this season wasn't really about them. THe point of this particular season was to deal with the threat of the Originars invading Wakanda in portals we learn in the end are created by the Adversary. The gods not being around may have helped create that situation, but that's not what the whole season was actually about. It was just a mystery lingering in the background. It's not like T'Challa was spending this season looking for the gods... he was spending it fighting the originators. And that's the conflict which ended up being resolved.
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I don't really agree with this.
The central thesis presented in the first issue of the season asked where the Gods were.
The "deal with the Originators" was because the Gods weren't there to stop it. When TNC was focused on the plot, T'challa was going place to place trying to figure out what to do abotu it. Shuri, Eden, dead BPs, Zuvari, and then even into the Djalia to "mother." It all centered around why the gods weren't there to keep the originators out and the portals closed.
The last issue ass pull with the Adversary making the portals even stated that he could only do it because the Orisha were gone.
While it is true Coates technically has plenty of time to conclude the mystery... it is a bit weird that an author who openly claims to right in "seasons" isn't concluding his stories at the end of the season. That is why I do not agree it is like Hickman's run. Hickman had the "eye on the ball" in regards to the incursions they entire 5 years. They were the central focus, everything else was side plots leading up to that conclusion. His style of long term story telling is spending 5 years to answer that one question.
Coates, instead, asks a central question and then only kinda sorta answers it and moves on. The question for season one is "does the Wakandan govt need to move away from the monarchy." The answer was technically, "yes"... but then Coates basically abandoned the plot. Well what kind of government is it then? Who is in charge? What power does someone other than T'challa actually have? Are their elections? If this new govern,ent is better for Wakanda... why? Instead, Coates basically doubled down on the fact that T'challa is king and can do whatever the hell he wants in season 2.
In Season two, it seems like he is doing the same thing because season 3 is moving into space.
It is becoming a pattern. Asking questions he can't or doesn't want to fully answer and then moving on to the next thing.
Like you said, he could very well answer it later. THe republic of Wakanda congress may find the Orisha and lead them into a glorious battle against space Wakanda or something. It is just... odd. Coates just isn't very good at this fiction/comic thing story telling wise IMO.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3650462]One transcription is: MalYeFa Ya Hoo, based on this:
[video=youtube_share;dztROTG2nEM]https://youtu.be/dztROTG2nEM[/video]
According to Google Translate, that means something like "What's happening".
Fiddling with the spacing a bit makes me think it's more likely something like "We are here" or "Let's go!", but without a more accurate spelling, I cannot be sure.
That being said, in the movie proper, it sounds more like "Matsa! Hoo Hoo!"
The second part may just be grunting or chanting, but the first sounds a LOT like the verb form "-matsha" which means "march!"[/QUOTE]
Thank you sir.
[QUOTE=iblogalot;3650752]Thought some of y'all might want to read my friends review [URL="https://medium.com/@Nick_Name_Nick/pop-culture-heresy-marvel-studios-is-awful-part-3-my-likely-unpopular-and-misunderstood-review-e369a3afe52d"]My Likely Unpopular and Misunderstood Review of BLACK PANTHER (or, The Marvel Cinematic Formula)[/URL][/QUOTE]
I made it half way through and then gave up because i realized I basically disagreed with every single paragraph lol.
[QUOTE=Jabare;3650786]let's keep it real the MCU saved the M'Baku character.
When the movie was first announced I was screaming stay away just ignore him completely. You can't plop him the way he is in the comics into live action it will be disastrous.
Marvel said relax we got this. They reimagined him perfectly. Made him likable, relatable and endearing.
Still waiting on that retcon wave 616[/QUOTE]
616 M'baku needs to do one of two things at this point:
1. join forces with T'challa to repel some threat, ends up slowly repairing their relationship as they hash out why they are continually fighting each other.
2. needs to be a big bad once he finds out what the DM did to the Jabari tribe.
[QUOTE=robreedwrites;3650853]In the comments section, The Wrap transcribed it as "Mayafa ya hu". Using Google translate, I can't quite find a proper translation, but "yafa" means "broke down" and "uyafa" means "dies" and if you just type in "Mayafa" it translates it as "You are dying."[/QUOTE]
Nice catch
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3651071]I don't really agree with this.
The central thesis presented in the first issue of the season asked where the Gods were.
The "deal with the Originators" was because the Gods weren't there to stop it. When TNC was focused on the plot, T'challa was going place to place trying to figure out what to do abotu it. Shuri, Eden, dead BPs, Zuvari, and then even into the Djalia to "mother." It all centered around why the gods weren't there to keep the originators out and the portals closed.
The last issue ass pull with the Adversary making the portals even stated that he could only do it because the Orisha were gone.
While it is true Coates technically has plenty of time to conclude the mystery... it is a bit weird that an author who openly claims to right in "seasons" isn't concluding his stories at the end of the season. That is why I do not agree it is like Hickman's run. Hickman had the "eye on the ball" in regards to the incursions they entire 5 years. They were the central focus, everything else was side plots leading up to that conclusion. His style of long term story telling is spending 5 years to answer that one question.
Coates, instead, asks a central question and then only kinda sorta answers it and moves on. The question for season one is "does the Wakandan govt need to move away from the monarchy." The answer was technically, "yes"... but then Coates basically abandoned the plot. Well what kind of government is it then? Who is in charge? What power does someone other than T'challa actually have? Are their elections? If this new govern,ent is better for Wakanda... why? Instead, Coates basically doubled down on the fact that T'challa is king and can do whatever the hell he wants in season 2.
In Season two, it seems like he is doing the same thing because season 3 is moving into space.
It is becoming a pattern. Asking questions he can't or doesn't want to fully answer and then moving on to the next thing.
Like you said, he could very well answer it later. THe republic of Wakanda congress may find the Orisha and lead them into a glorious battle against space Wakanda or something. It is just... odd. Coates just isn't very good at this fiction/comic thing story telling wise IMO.[/QUOTE]
Basically it’s the exact thing Cornel West was dragging him for. Coates just points out a lot of problems without offering any solutions.
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[QUOTE=BlackClaw;3651115]Basically it’s the exact thing Cornel West was dragging him for. Coates just points out a lot of problems without offering any solutions.[/QUOTE]
I think that is fine for books, articles, and other non-fiction, real world stuff.
But fiction? super hero comics? That doesn't really work.
Writing ongoing, big 2 comics is HARD fiction. You have to be able to tell a story with a beginning, middle, and end... but the end can't 100% end because you need to make more comics lol. And you have to do this year after year and the franchise has to be at a place when you are "done" so that someone else can come in and do the same thing. Oh and if your character is popular enough, other stuff may be going on in other books that you have to keep an eye on because it affects your character.
Coates, likely im guessing, broke his stuff up into year long "seasons" so he can avoid some of the harder aspects of ongoing comics. And he also 100% secluded Black Panther so he doesn't have to worry about events and team books and such. But, despite the training wheels, he fundamentally not a great story teller. He still isn't concluding anything in those seasons. They pseudo conclude and he moves on.
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[QUOTE=Jabare;3650786]let's keep it real the MCU saved the M'Baku character.
When the movie was first announced I was screaming stay away just ignore him completely. You can't plop him the way he is in the comics into live action it will be disastrous.
Marvel said relax we got this. They reimagined him perfectly. Made him likable, relatable and endearing.
Still waiting on that retcon wave 616[/QUOTE]
Ryan Coogler saved M'Baku character not the MCU.
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[QUOTE=blacksonic;3651129]Ryan Coogler saved M'Baku character not the MCU.[/QUOTE]
What's the difference?
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3651087]Thank you sir.[/QUOTE]
Uyamkelekile, mntakwethu.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3651071]I don't really agree with this.
The central thesis presented in the first issue of the season asked where the Gods were.
The "deal with the Originators" was because the Gods weren't there to stop it. When TNC was focused on the plot, T'challa was going place to place trying to figure out what to do abotu it. Shuri, Eden, dead BPs, Zuvari, and then even into the Djalia to "mother." It all centered around why the gods weren't there to keep the originators out and the portals closed.
The last issue ass pull with the Adversary making the portals even stated that he could only do it because the Orisha were gone.
While it is true Coates technically has plenty of time to conclude the mystery... it is a bit weird that an author who openly claims to right in "seasons" isn't concluding his stories at the end of the season. That is why I do not agree it is like Hickman's run. Hickman had the "eye on the ball" in regards to the incursions they entire 5 years. They were the central focus, everything else was side plots leading up to that conclusion. His style of long term story telling is spending 5 years to answer that one question.
Coates, instead, asks a central question and then only kinda sorta answers it and moves on. The question for season one is "does the Wakandan govt need to move away from the monarchy." The answer was technically, "yes"... but then Coates basically abandoned the plot. Well what kind of government is it then? Who is in charge? What power does someone other than T'challa actually have? Are their elections? If this new govern,ent is better for Wakanda... why? Instead, Coates basically doubled down on the fact that T'challa is king and can do whatever the hell he wants in season 2.
In Season two, it seems like he is doing the same thing because season 3 is moving into space.
It is becoming a pattern. Asking questions he can't or doesn't want to fully answer and then moving on to the next thing.
Like you said, he could very well answer it later. THe republic of Wakanda congress may find the Orisha and lead them into a glorious battle against space Wakanda or something. It is just... odd. Coates just isn't very good at this fiction/comic thing story telling wise IMO.[/QUOTE]
I think the issue of "where are the gods" is a larger one spanning multiple seasons, but this particular season was about stopping the Originators invading through the portals. The time, energy and focus spent dealing with the Originators clearly outweigh any time spent finding the gods 10 to 1. And it should have been as that was the immediate problem to deal with.
If you want to make a comparison, in Hickmans New Avengers they spend their time dealing with the Incursions rather than finding out who the Great Destroyer was. We find out a couple years later, but the first few story arcs about the Incursions. The mystery of the Great Destroyer and the Beyonders are part of a larger story which is eventually resolved towards the later part of Hickmans run. We barely get anything about the Great Destroyer or the Beyonders in the first two thirds of his run.
I'd say the same about Coates plot here. The issue of the gods likely is part of a greater narrative which will be resolved towards the end of his run. But the current story arc was more about stopping the Originators from invading Wakanda, which again makes sense because that's the immediate problem to be dealt with. From T'Challa's perspective finding the gods can come later... deal with the Originators now. And that's how the story ended up working out.
But if I'm wrong and Coates never brings up the gods again, then I'll agree in the end really dropped the ball as far as resolving that plot thread. We'll see.
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[QUOTE=Jabare;3650786]let's keep it real the MCU saved the M'Baku character.
When the movie was first announced I was screaming stay away just ignore him completely. You can't plop him the way he is in the comics into live action it will be disastrous.
Marvel said relax we got this. They reimagined him perfectly. Made him likable, relatable and endearing.
Still waiting on that retcon wave 616[/QUOTE]
In all fairness, I think Priests version of M'Baku (which actually isn't THAT far from the movie version) was pretty good. He took a cheesy, potentially offensive character and made him work. Just like the movies.
It's just that most of M'Baku's showings unfortunately are him just being hired muscle. I'm not sure any preceeding BP writers after Priest really gave him any spotlight. Hudlin did something fun with him at T'Challa's wedding but I think that's about it.