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[QUOTE=D. Strong;303938]It being intended deconstruction doesn't make it any less awful and unnecessary. Especially when said deconstruction comes about due to the writer's flawed perception of a character being "[I]perfect[/I]", when in reality and historically he's been anything BUT that. It screams a case of "[I]Did Not Do Research[/I]" combined with a case of willful ignorance.[/QUOTE]
lol. Deconstruction is usually done to rebuild or place something with something new and improved in its place.
BP was king of an advanced nation that owned the most rare metal on earth..what is he now by comparison?
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[QUOTE=XPac;303952]Whether or not it was aweful is obviously subjective (I personally thought Doom War was pretty good). I'm just addressing the issue that there was a purpose behind it. It was the vehicle used to tell stories about the characters.
When did the writer ever say the character was perfect?[/QUOTE]
I'll try to find the interview. He basically alluded to the fact that he felt that BP was too flawless, unsmudged, and squeaky-clean. Which was a major red flag, when I read it.
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@Xpac
Regardless of whether I agree with your perception of Maberry's Doomwar or not, you do for the most part, provide an alternative viewpoint that can be jarring to most but nonetheless remains relevant to this thread.
If everyone posted the same way, things would be boring.
I find your posting style interesting and would be sad to see you stop contributing to this thread.
Make of that what you will.
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Now I feel bad. I was trying to diss Doomwar and circular arguments more than anything else.
#failed/
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[QUOTE=ExcelsiorPrime;304110]Now I feel bad. I was trying to diss Doomwar and circular arguments more than anything else.
#failed/[/QUOTE]
But you overplayed your hand with the hypocrite/troll Gifs though.
Like I said previously, I don't always agree with dudes BP related viewpoints but I do enjoy reading (and responding to) them. :)
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[QUOTE=ExcelsiorPrime;304043]First off I picked one part 0f your post to lampoon. because as a Panther fan how could you say a book in which the main character was punked and denied a victory was good? i was snarking the comment DOOMWAR was good, not you personally...[/QUOTE]
I thought it was good the ending should have been better but you could say that for almost every mini
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;302540]Here is the real problem...
What do George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, [B]James Cameron[/B], Peter Jackson and [B]J.J. Abrams[/B] all have in common?
They all have box office blockbusters but [B][U]they have never created an A-list black super hero on purpose![/U][/B]
This is not a total negative in that they have hardly ever applied a focus toward pushing a black character to A-list and neither has anyone else outside of McFarlane's Spawn or the Wesley Snipes' Blade movies accomplished this including black writers themselves![/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://www.scificool.com/images/2013/05/Zoe-Saldana-in-Star-Trek-Into-Darkness-2013-Movie-Image-2.jpg[/IMG]
Those two nearly single-handed (along with Saldana, of course) are the reason she is an A-list action hero, appearing in numerous action films now, and about to be in GotG.
And I don't know about anyone else, but Celie has been a hero of mine since childhood (though that's more due to Alice Walker than Spielberg; though the film is brilliant).
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[QUOTE=Kieran_Frost;305202][IMG]http://www.scificool.com/images/2013/05/Zoe-Saldana-in-Star-Trek-Into-Darkness-2013-Movie-Image-2.jpg[/IMG]
Those two nearly single-handed (along with Saldana, of course) are the reason she is an A-list action hero, appearing in numerous action films now, and about to be in GotG.
And I don't know about anyone else, but Celie has been a hero of mine since childhood (though that's more due to Alice Walker than Spielberg; though the film is brilliant).[/QUOTE]
I like Zoe and she's undoubtedly headlined a couple of films, but I dunno is she's exactly A-list.
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[QUOTE=ed2962;305269]I like Zoe and she's undoubtedly headlined a couple of films, but I dunno is she's exactly A-list.[/QUOTE]
She's not Tom Cruise A-list, but she's definitely Chris Hemsworth A-list (who, ironically, was a minor role in the first Star Trek film reboot).
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[QUOTE=Kieran_Frost;305315]She's not Tom Cruise A-list, but she's definitely Chris Hemsworth A-list (who, ironically, was a minor role in the first Star Trek film reboot).[/QUOTE]
There aren't really that many people these days who are as big as guys like Cruise, Pitt, Stallone, etc... were at the height of their runs. The playing field for A list has gotten wider but smaller, I think.
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[QUOTE=MrHashasheen;305341]There aren't really that many people these days who are as big as guys like Cruise, Pitt, Stallone, etc... were at the height of their runs. The playing field for A list has gotten wider but smaller, I think.[/QUOTE]
The age of the solo action hero is over.
Nobody is as big as those guys were during the 80's and 90's. Hell, nobody now is even as big of a deal as Van Damme and Steven Segal were.
I mean they TRIED with Jason Statham and Clive Owen, but that kind of thing is pretty much over now.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;305468]The age of the solo action hero is over.
Nobody is as big as those guys were during the 80's and 90's. Hell, nobody now is even as big of a deal as Van Damme and Steven Segal were.
I mean they TRIED with Jason Statham and Clive Owen, but that kind of thing is pretty much over now.[/QUOTE]
One of the biggest box-office stars right now is Sandra Bullock, a woman who started as "token girl" in actions films is a now a massive action star in her right.
[URL="http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2013/10/16/sandra-bullock-is-now-one-of-hollywoods-biggest-movie-stars/"]http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2013/10/16/sandra-bullock-is-now-one-of-hollywoods-biggest-movie-stars/[/URL]
[I]Five of Sandra Bullock’s last seven films have consecutively broken her personal best opening weekend records. Read that last sentence again so it sinks in. Twenty years after she first became a movie star, and at an age (49 years old) when women are supposed to be past their expiration date, Ms. Bullock is not only bigger than ever but perhaps the biggest female star on the planet. Since 2007, Bullock has gone from an actress who never had a debut over $16m to an actress with three openings over $30m and another over $55m.[/I]
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Kieran_Frost c'mon son... Zoe Saldana???
That was reaching... Half the people that saw the movie Avatar cannot even remember the name of the character she played in Avatar plus she was cgi blue and not black!
In Guardians of The Galaxy she is once again not a black woman but cgi green this time and all the other movies she sort of played the Ororo/Storm role that was not exactly pro-black in nature allowing audiences to embrace her more "multicultural" side without scaring them off!
So once again not one A-list black character but skirting around the idea of going for the full on make no mistake about it they are definitely black role!
The Black Panther role would be straight up black with no cgi compromises or vain attempts to appease audiences who might be turned off by someone so black, so intelligent and so super hero BOSS!
Then again if they cast Shemar Moore as Black Panther it would be ever so obvious why they went that route... The key words here are "Less Threatening" and Zoe Saldana fills that role easily!
You notice how none of them trip all up over each other to do what is right about the Black Panther even though they know it is out there for the making... You would think in this "Politically Correct" era that it wouldn't just be Stan Lee trying to promote a Black Panther movie!
The first white fanboy that stands up and goes all in for the Black Panther will be Eminem rich and have the street cred to match amongst black folks... Keep dancing around this issue accepting what Marvel hands you or forces upon you and go sit next to Maberry and Roy Thomas!
George Lucas: "I'll produce Black Panther let's do it... And I promise not to soften it up like Redtails and go all in this time!"
Steven Spielberg: "Let me get at that Black Panther script it's long overdue!"
James Cameron: "Enough is enough with the blue black people I'm in... Make mine Black Panther!"
Peter Jackson: "Instead of King Kong chasing the blond haired white girl and The Hobbitt with absolutely no black People whatsoever gimme Black Panther right now!"
J.J. Abrams: "I'm already on Disney's pay roll my dream job is to make a black super hero bigger than life... Black Panther it is!"
In reality all you hear from most of Hollywood on Black Panther is crickets... Make that cgi yellow crickets just to be safe!
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I don't think folks have read Zoe's comments in regards to race.
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So many people saw the Rosemary's Baby miniseries she starred in.....oh wait
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So, seeing the recent solicits about New Avengers made me think that Thanos' squad would take out the Illuminati.
That could still be the case, but at least BP won't be one of the victims.
[IMG]http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/NEWAVN2013025-4560a.jpg[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;305690]Kieran_Frost c'mon son... Zoe Saldana??? That was reaching... Half the people that saw the movie Avatar cannot even remember the name of the character she played in Avatar plus she was cgi blue and not black![/QUOTE] To be fair, Avatar is complete shit and boring. I don't think I remember anyone's names from that movie.
[QUOTE]Then again if they cast Shemar Moore as Black Panther it would be ever so obvious why they went that route... The key words here are "Less Threatening" and Zoe Saldana fills that role easily![/QUOTE] Flex, as a grown man who has seen every episode of Criminal Minds, I can unequivocally state I'm incredibly threatened by the all-star package that is Shemar Moore. Men like that should not exist as comparison for the rest of us! As a side note, if he ever left Criminal Minds I would grieve as only a fan would, but I actually see him as Mr. Terrific II.
[QUOTE]You notice how none of them trip all up over each other to do what is right about the Black Panther even though they know it is out there for the making... You would think in this "Politically Correct" era that it wouldn't just be Stan Lee trying to promote a Black Panther movie![/QUOTE] Do they know? Do they even care? Lucas hasn't done anything besides Redtails and the most he's been working on is his own stuff in Star Wars. Spielberg... Spielberg hasn't touched much that wasn't a drama as a director. Cameron's overrated. After his Hobbit films, I don't want Jackson touching anything superhero-like. And as for Abrams, I don't think it's quite in his field. That dude pretty much does sci-fi and only sci-fi. I'd tip him to Green Lantern before Black Panther.
Big names aren't what always matters. Kenneth Branagh carried Thor to an acceptable showing and he was best known for Shakespearan shows.
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George Lucas: "I'll produce Black Panther let's do it... And I promise not to soften it up like Redtails and go all in this time!"
Steven Spielberg: "Let me get at that Black Panther script it's long overdue!"
James Cameron: "Enough is enough with the blue black people I'm in... Make mine Black Panther!"
Peter Jackson: "Instead of King Kong chasing the blond haired white girl and The Hobbitt with absolutely no black People whatsoever gimme Black Panther right now!"
J.J. Abrams: "I'm already on Disney's pay roll my dream job is to make a black super hero bigger than life... Black Panther it is!"[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't take any of them at the Black Panther helm. And why the fuck are you critiquing a lack of black people in the Hobbit? It's an Anglo-Saxon fantasy fiction written a hundred years ago about thirteen dwarfs, a hobbit and a wizard trying to rob a dragon. There are barely any women in the entire Tolkien mythology, let alone minorities.
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MrHashasheen...
Avatar is the highest grossing film unadjusted for inflation so whether one person found it boring does not matter to the almost 3 billion dollars worth of fans who saw it not only once but arguably twice and thrice if not four times because that is a whole lot of retention not seen in any other movie... Some people want things never before seen and Avatar is actually a great lesson for depicting Wakanda assuming that the dialogue is much more intellectual!
I appreciate it for what it did cinematically even if it is a ripoff of Pocahontas and Dances With Wolves... I watch it again every now and then for marketing research!
My son watches the reruns of Criminal Minds and it is a pretty good show but often times the lighter skinned brother is cast and no matter how much bass he puts in his voice it's just not the same feel as it is if a much darker skinned Denzel or Wesley did it... This part is self explanatory!
As far as the upper brass knowing what's going on every major player in Hollywood is aware of most if not all possible investments because there are general announcements about what could be pitched, produced or invested in privately and openly... You don't get that cash rich and not know that the Black Panther as a character exists this I know for a fact through a billionaire movie producer I discussed Black Panther with!
I think you are missing my point about the men I listed in that most of them have been doing this for decades and have yet to produce a black A-list character and the fact that none of them have bother to try despite how rich they already are... Satire!
Your last paragraph should pretty much explains why I said what I said... Are you following me or just ranting?
I was responding to Kieran's post and using vivid examples of what some are not doing anyway!
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[QUOTE=Double 0;305939]So, seeing the recent solicits about New Avengers made me think that Thanos' squad would take out the Illuminati.
That could still be the case, but at least BP won't be one of the victims.
[IMG]http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/NEWAVN2013025-4560a.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Nice cover. The next avengers are appearing in Avengers world is that Bp's kid on the cover?
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[QUOTE=D. Strong;303980]I'll try to find the interview. He basically alluded to the fact that he felt that BP was too flawless, unsmudged, and squeaky-clean. Which was a major red flag, when I read it.[/QUOTE]
I actually read that interview as well but I can't remember whether it was on the old CBR or not.
I remember losing faith in Maberry's vision for T'Challa and Wakanda when I read that interview too.
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T'Challa is not Matt Murdock. Every story of T'Challa should not be a study in deconstruction. Over the last few years, every story about BP has been some form of deconstruction.
Your typical BP story should not be bright & sunny. Priest could go really dark in addition to the comedy & BOSS moments. I am simply looking for balance.
I don't think I'm asking for too much.
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Actually Avatar's gross is adjusted for inflation and even that 3 billion is still in question( now you can go back to them evil light skinned brothers took our jobs )
Anyway on topic that is a nice looking cover
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[QUOTE=Double 0;305939]So, seeing the recent solicits about New Avengers made me think that Thanos' squad would take out the Illuminati.
That could still be the case, but at least BP won't be one of the victims.
[IMG]http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/NEWAVN2013025-4560a.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Oh, crap. I see the casket for Namor, whatever that might entail.
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Reed looks dope is all-black everything.
Also, I wonder if that foreshadows T'challa being able to bring them back.
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What's funny about this article is that Charlotte Parker the real "Point Man" behind Arnold Schwarzenegger's career and certified fangirl told me how she got James Cameron attached to not only Spiderman but the X-men as well...
[url]http://www.buzzfocus.com/2010/01/04/avatar-versus-the-black-panther-is-cameron-a-marvel-fan/[/url]
Although I have never talked to her about Black Panther I'm pretty sure that she knows what is going on and she is also on the board of The Bruce Lee Foundation!
People like her are what makes movies happen and had she not been the "Point Man" on the movie Predator that franchise would have sunk into the oblivion before it even got launched... She makes the talent that she represents aware of all potential projects that are on the table!
If she could take a barely english speaking Arnold to greater success than any other actor it is possible to do the same with Black Panther with a better effort!
What the Black Panther needs is a Manhattan Project creative team full of persons with a love for the character and a willingness to go all in with no compromises... And a "Point Man!"
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Smoov-E I have boxofficemojo.com as a saved link on my computer...
[url]http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm[/url]
I always keep track of trends, sales and marketing as an afterthought!
Anywho...
I do remember Maberry specifically saying Black Panther was "too perfect" but I'm not certain which interview that was but here are a few from way back when that sort of elude to that...
[url]http://worldofblackheroes.com/2010/12/25/jonathan-maberry-interview-doomwar-all-questions-answered/[/url]
[url]http://www.comicbookresources.com/?id=28285&page=article[/url]
[url]http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=23246[/url]
[url]http://marvel.com/news/comics/2009/5/12/7993/tuesday_qa_jonathan_maberry[/url]
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This article I love because it addresses some of the same problems I see with Black Panther as an intellectual property...
[url]http://www.entertainmentfuse.com/should-marvel-give-up-on-black-panther/[/url]
There are many things that this article got right but what it misses is the musical chairs aspect of how one is chosen to write the Black Panther!
If all you re going to do is use the same ole white "architects" to depict a strong black character and not seek out the second coming of Hudlin somewhere on planet earth then you should expect the same results!
Escapism and the word "Vicariously" apply here because most writers that work on Black Panther are really just passing through even if they like Hickman are on a claimed three year stint!
As much as Priest may have wanted to write other characters as a black man he is always linked to the Black Panther by default much the same way that Hudlin is who loved and embraced his time with the character more than Priest did!
The Black Panther is not just about picking up a paycheck and doing a QnA about how much you love and admire the character and respect black folks but dip out out at the first sign of sagging sales never to be heard from again there are certain commitments beyond the standard issue solo comic sales!
It's funny how one reads what Priest did with Black Panther but ignores the research about how he specifically stated one should actually reach out to the black community and get after it wholesale not hang around regular comic shops and hope that the 100,000 plus that buy Batman will jump on the Wakandan bandwagon when they have clearly chosen not to for decades at a time!
If 100,000 white fanboys are not buying your black super hero featured book go find 100,000 black guys that will... (Insert DUH right here)
Also... Everybody and they momma can smell a lame premise no matter how much you sugar coat it with genuine authenticity so when you announce new and exciting things that lead to less than 10,000 sales get a clue and don't try to hide it underneath the label of "Ensemble" when you and the hemorrhaging fans know better than that!
So far we tried sprays and washes this time try a true "Point Man" that has to be accounted for keeping the books, tracking trends and updating fans on all things Black Panther...
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Hold up, Black Panther is too challenging, but Thor, a guy totally based on Norse Mythology and also has a heavily layered Marvel-Only mythology/world building isn't?
Let's not act like xenophobia/race has nothing to do with that analysis. Sounds like excuses. Black Panther isn't that hard to grasp. He surely isn't Hawkman, who still gets used by DC outside of comics. The cartoons that have had Black Panther in them haven't struggled with him for the most part.
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[QUOTE=Spear of Bashenga;306597]Reed looks dope is all-black everything.
Also, I wonder if that foreshadows T'challa being able to bring them back.[/QUOTE]
BP really would be King of the Dead if he is able to bring them back (provided this cover is a true reflection of the story).
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It's like flex makes this same post twice everyday.
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[URL="http://www.sportstalkflorida.com/israel-idonije-interview-passion-comics-football/"]http://www.sportstalkflorida.com/israel-idonije-interview-passion-comics-football/[/URL]
Someone in the NFL has love for BP
[QUOTE]
Israel Idonije has played in the NFL for the Chicago Bears and Detroit Lions, to name a few. But, we were curious about his love for comic books and the creation of his own series, “The Protectors.”
On our new sports and pop culture mash-up show, The Power Hour, Idonije talked to hosts Matt Sardo and Amanda Borges about his comic and how he gets his creative juices flowing.
What do you think abut the diversity in comic books?
“I think they’re doing the best they can but the topic of diversity is something that you can always do better. [B][U]There’s been some incredible pushes to bring diversity into comics. Static Shock. I’m a huge Black Panther fan so that whole universe of Wukonda[/U][/B] and everything that was done there I mean there are some major pushes in the comic industry and the creators that have been champions of that. So I think it’s just a matter of continuing to carry the torch and as far as diversification it is a very diverse culture.
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[URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-28047122"]http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-28047122[/URL]
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It was the climactic point of LA Cosplay Con, the first of what the organisers hope will be an annual gathering of "cosplayers" - people who dress up like characters from, mostly, video games and comics.
Praised indeed. As part of the event, prizes were given out for the best costumes.
[B]The winner this year was a man who had come dressed as Black Panther.[/B] To be clear, that's Black Panther from Marvel Comics - not to be confused with the Black Panther movement of the 1960s and 70s. Impressive. Here, Black Panther is being ably represented by Shawn - a bus driver.
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There is a picture of him but it's just head and shoulders. And he looks like a white guy is in the costume.
[URL="http://www.braintreeandwithamtimes.co.uk/leisure/showbiz/11339135.Stan_Lee_up_for_Superman_cameo/"]http://www.braintreeandwithamtimes.co.uk/leisure/showbiz/11339135.Stan_Lee_up_for_Superman_cameo/[/URL]
[QUOTE]Stan (Lee) also revealed he would like spin-off films for all his characters.
"I'd like to see a standalone movie with all our characters. And we will eventually," he said. "They're working on a Doctor Strange, Black Panther, Ant-Man, everything. I love standalone but by the same token, the public love when we team them up like in the Avengers. They love to see the characters together in one movie."[/QUOTE]
Now Marvel & Disney wouldn't that be nice to do for the 91 year old Stan?
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[URL="http://www.teenink.com/hot_topics/pride_prejudice/article/692465/I-Want-a-Book-with-a-Black-Protagonist/"]http://www.teenink.com/hot_topics/pride_prejudice/article/692465/I-Want-a-Book-with-a-Black-Protagonist/[/URL]
[QUOTE]
I like to read stories, good stories, mostly ones like Harry Potter. I don't like vampires much or werewolves even, in fact i think they've gotten a bit boring now.
One thing I truly enjoy is reading a book where the protagonist is black, like me, and there are but they involve people of color going through struggles of living in a poor neighborhood or something crazy.
Because there were no real good books that I could relate to in a way with a black protagonist, i stopped reading and writing for a while.
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The Black Panther, a superhero by Marvel, is probably my favorite superhero. A black man with a kingdom in Africa, they could have created a character from Africa that was raised in poor conditions or put on the boat to be a slave and they didn't do that. It was a superhero that was king to his land, advanced in technology, strong to boot and was married to Storm at one point before they broke the couple up. I enjoyed that, a legitimate black couple together.
A lot of stories I've read is always an interracial couple as if two black people can't get along. I grew up in a household where my parents were at each others throats and it would almost make me sad because I never got to see a good relationship between two black people, it was written off as if it could never be real. My dad raised me, his only daughter but second child, when my mother was no where around. Yet there are stories were the black man can't even take care of his kids and that's not true.
I want diversity in books and creativity in them. All the books I know have a white protagonist, there are books and stories where the character is clearly pointed out to be a person of color and the next thing you see there is a movie coming out where a white actress is the lead role of a dark skin character.
I have and probably never will read The Hunger Games. When I saw an article about how some of the fans were not happy they made a particular character in the book black I refused to read it.
It's sad that the world isn't ready to put someone of different color on a page. Because I would love to read a story about a black kid becoming a wizard too.
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[QUOTE=UltimateTy;306301]Nice cover. The next avengers are appearing in Avengers world is that Bp's kid on the cover?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that is Azzari, teamed with Smasher, Sunspot and Cannonball. I'm glad to see Azzari and the Next Avengers being used.
I hope they make a new Illuminati squad to face Thanos Cabal.
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UltimateTy... The truth can sometimes be redundant!
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You know I was looking at my Avatar... The one I drew myself years ago (hint hint) and I wondered if it would be cool if they went into detail on T'challa's origin from birth and growing as a baby towards manhood!
Often times the birth of a special child can be "redundant" or cliched but can be successful like Bruce Wayne, Kal-el or King Leonidas in 300 if they have a glorious future displayed on panel or on screen!
Most of the time T'challa is shown as a grown man with some flashbacks to the past as a teen when his father was killed by Klaw!
T'challa grew to become a world beater scientist and warrior yet hardly any information is ever given to what shaped his cynicism, personal xenophobia or narcissism on an up close and personal level to let fans also grow with him looking over his shoulder!
There was some coverage of this done by Hudlin and Jerome Dickey's Storm novel as a teen but mostly surface emotion to set up another dynamic!
In J.J. Abrams first Star Trek movie Captain Kirk was born during a heated conflict so what if T'challa was born during a massive war!
Rather than just have him jump right into the next super hero caper to keep him relevant amidst sagging sales maybe it's long overdue to reboot him from the beginning and put his baby picture on the cover like Nas and Biggie's albums!
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[QUOTE]
BH: In DoomWar T’Challa met with a Feline God…..was this Bast? or something else?
[B]
MABERRY: Yes, that was Bast. Doom got to meet her and to plead his case for why he should be allowed to take the vibranium. Some clever readers have asked if Bast foresaw the rebirth of Wakandan honor and power as a direct result of having to ‘lose’ to Doom.[/B]
BH: How much does the technology pioneered by T’Challa during DoomWar play into the new Wakanda?
[B]
MABERRY: That’s something I did a lot of prep for, but which I haven’t yet had a chance to explore. David Liss may delve into some of that with Black Panther: Man Without Fear. For my part, I give a few hints that Wakanda did not have all of its technological eggs in one basket.[/B]
BH: DoomWar was a bold step into unknown territory, how much of Doom war’s ending was you or editorially mandated?
[B]MABERRY: [U]It was my ending.[/U] [U]Marvel gave me a lot of creative freedom with that book,[/U] and we all knew that it was going to make some people cheer, some people curse me, and some people perk up and take a new look at the characters.
It was always the plan, from the earliest days of writing POWER that DOOMWAR would end the way it did. That was the point of the story, and it’s T’Challa’s speech near the end that defines the character. This is a man to whom honor is the most powerful weapon; and a man who loves his country so much that he is willing to risk its safety in order to save it.[/B][/QUOTE]
[url]http://worldofblackheroes.com/2010/12/25/jonathan-maberry-interview-doomwar-all-questions-answered/[/url]
So there we have it, straight from the horses mouth.
According to Maberry himself, there was [B][I]ZERO[/I][/B] editorial interference as regards the [B]Doomwar[/B] story.
It was all his idea by his own admission.
I seem to remember saying this back in the day only to get shouted down as a malcontent. :smh:
Thanks for the link FLEX.
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[QUOTE=Seraphan;307286]Yeah, that is Azzari, teamed with Smasher, Sunspot and Cannonball. I'm glad to see Azzari and the Next Avengers being used.
I hope they make a new Illuminati squad to face Thanos Cabal.[/QUOTE]
I like seeing Azzari as well. I love the idea of him and the other Next Avengers trying to stop Thanos' Cabal.
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Majestic has been vindicated... I was happy to assist! ;)
I'm trying to find that "too perfect" statement but it may be a moot point now!
But make sure that you keep that link handy for future reference along with this one featuring the classic WTF out of no where "just ask Apollo Creed" comment that riled up a few peeps at Hudlin's forum way back when...
[url]http://graphicpolicy.com/2010/07/08/10-questions-with-jonathan-maberry/[/url]
If you do not understand why the Apollo Creed comment was not a well thought out one you have some learning to do in Racial Politics 101!
This video should help in your research...
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMqMKxJJYvY[/url]
Doomwar... The gift that keeps on giving! :cool:
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;307354]You know I was looking at my Avatar... The one I drew myself years ago (hint hint) and I wondered if it would be cool if they went into detail on T'challa's origin from birth and growing as a baby towards manhood!
Often times the birth of a special child can be "redundant" or cliched but can be successful like Bruce Wayne, Kal-el or King Leonidas in 300 if they have a glorious future displayed on panel or on screen!
Most of the time T'challa is shown as a grown man with some flashbacks to the past as a teen when his father was killed by Klaw!
T'challa grew to become a world beater scientist and warrior yet hardly any information is ever given to what shaped his cynicism, personal xenophobia or narcissism on an up close and personal level to let fans also grow with him looking over his shoulder!
There was some coverage of this done by Hudlin and Jerome Dickey's Storm novel as a teen but mostly surface emotion to set up another dynamic!
In J.J. Abrams first Star Trek movie Captain Kirk was born during a heated conflict so what if T'challa was born during a massive war!
Rather than just have him jump right into the next super hero caper to keep him relevant amidst sagging sales maybe it's long overdue to reboot him from the beginning and put his baby picture on the cover like Nas and Biggie's albums![/QUOTE]
I've thought this same thing for a long time, Flex. Especially when I watched Samurai Jack and the stories of his childhood going around the world to learn different styles and local wisdom. My favorite is the one where he is being trained in Africa. A whole episode. The rest of his childhood training was done as more of a montage so a whole episode set in Africa was nice. I loved Tartakovsky's stuff. Maybe they could get him to do a BP cartoon.
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[url]http://graphicpolicy.com/2010/07/08/10-questions-with-jonathan-maberry/[/url]
JM: The story was always about international politics and the ethics of war, so Marvel knew where I was going from the jump, and as I said, they were completely supportive. My editor, Axel Alonso, has been a valuable advisor, making very intelligent suggestions for where to dial up the action or plug in a recap. But they let me tell the story I wanted to tell.
They also did not interfere with my characterization. I told them up front that I was going to deconstruct the motives and methods of Doctor Doom and T’Challa. I do not belief in pure untainted good anymore than I believe in absolute evil. [B]Doom has sometimes been portrayed as ‘Evil’, with not dimension to it; and too often T’Challa has been the spotless hero.[/B] I wanted to build the story around their flaws, explore their worldview, and watch as they re-assemble themselves into new shapes.