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[QUOTE=XPac;3746909]It's a smaller leap to say Storm can become a god than any average guy on the street... that's my point. You have a character with implied godhood becoming a god as opposed to an ordinary person becoming one.[/QUOTE]
Clearly, I disagree. :) Especially given that, after that much time, a decent chunk of the population must have the exact same amount of heritage as Storm, simply because of the sheer number of offspring. But as we've both said at this point, the data simply isn't there. We can infer anything we like, but it is impossible to make a definite conclusion.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3746922]Clearly, I disagree. :) Especially given that, after that much time, a decent chunk of the population must have the exact same amount of heritage as Storm, simply because of the sheer number of offspring. But as we've both said at this point, the data simply isn't there. We can infer anything we like, but it is impossible to make a definite conclusion.[/QUOTE]
Yeah that's the line we can't agree on. I simply believe it's more believable that a person who is partically a god can transform into a god, than a person who isn't a god at all.
And it's certainly true that there should be a LOT of off spring with potentially the same heritage as Storm... but in her case those traits are active as she does possess a magical side to her apart from her mutant abilities. Her physical appearance also is an indicator of that.
But again I'll agree that the data isn't there to say conclusively one way or the other. All I do is go with the theory that I believe makes more sense. And to me it makes more sense that a person who partially is divine can become a good, than saying any person off the street can become a god. If it were that simply, there would be more gods. There's like half a dozen Orisha... why not twice that number? Why not ten times that number? Why have none of the Wakandans since then become gods? We can assume they simply didn't... or we can assume there's a reason for that. And the book itself at least supplies one possible reason. THe Orisha were children of Elder gods. That's more believable than assuming it never happened since then just because.
But maybe we'll have a better clue moving foreward. We know T'Challa can replicate the process to some degree. If he does it with someone other than Storm down the line, it certainly will be proof that it works with anyone. It's a nice weapon in the tool box for Wakanda if it indeed does work that way. We'll see.
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You left out a possibility:
The story of the Orishas simply doesn't make sense in canon, and will end up being ignored by everyone else. :)
(A similar example from a few years back was the attempt to make Daimon Hellstrom the son of Satannish and a servant of Dormammu. That one was dropped pretty quickly.)
ETA: OK, so it was 18 years ago, not "a few years back". What can I say, I'm old. :)
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3746646][B]Oh shi- I mean "They who will not be mentioned" saved it :cool:[/B][/QUOTE]
Hahaha haha (laughing like the home Namor.)
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3746946]You left out a possibility:
The story of the Orishas simply doesn't make sense in canon, and will end up being ignored by everyone else. :)
(A similar example from a few years back was the attempt to make Daimon Hellstrom the son of Satannish and a servant of Dormammu. That one was dropped pretty quickly.)
ETA: OK, so it was 18 years ago, not "a few years back". What can I say, I'm old. :)[/QUOTE]
It's possible. We won't know if it will be ignored or not until someone retcons it down the line.
Even the pre Coates Bast stuff was itself a retcon. Whether or not someone wants to add another layer to the whole things remains to be seen.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3746787]I have to say that I'm with Ezyo on this one. Because the whole "Heroes become gods through faith" thing is almost meaningless if they were part-divine already.
In one case, it's a magical apotheosis. In the other, it's just claiming a birthright they already had....[/QUOTE]
[B]That's what I'm getting at. It's too ambiguous and Coates really didn't think the retcon through, too busy trying to give they who will bot be mentioned, a upgrade that he botched the patheon to a situation where there are inconsistencies and likely won't get any explanation[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3747191][B]That's what I'm getting at. It's too ambiguous and Coates really didn't think the retcon through, too busy trying to give they who will bot be mentioned, a upgrade that he botched the patheon to a situation where there are inconsistencies and likely won't get any explanation[/B][/QUOTE]
[I]Agree with both of you. My employees always say how they worship me and that I am their "coolest boss ever". But besides all the worshiping, I cannot lift heavy hammers not meant for me, or even generate one tiny little lighting bolt. :([/I]
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[QUOTE=XPac;3747058]It's possible. We won't know if it will be ignored or not until someone retcons it down the line.
Even the pre Coates Bast stuff was itself a retcon. Whether or not someone wants to add another layer to the whole things remains to be seen.[/QUOTE]
[B] I would say bast is More of a added layer then a retcon, especially now that it's being said bast originated from Wakanda in a way that Also makes her look bad. The change simply make all of Wakanda, bast included look bad [/B]
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[QUOTE=Mantis Dad;3747196][I]Agree with both of you. My employees always say how they worship me and that I am their "coolest boss ever". But besides all the worshiping, I cannot lift heavy hammers not meant for me, or even generate one tiny little lighting bolt. :([/I][/QUOTE]
[B] Sorry Mantis, you need a tiny nation the size of been jersey before you can do that, better get to work:cool:[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3747211][B] I would say bast is More of a added layer then a reton, especially now that it's being said bast originated from Wakanda in a way that Also makes her look bad. The change simply make all of Wakanda, bast included look bad [/B][/QUOTE]
[I]Speaking of Bast; I am truly interested if anyone on the forum worships her /him/? I, as a Scandinavian, I do not worship Thor or Odin, but I do celebrate the old Gods ways, and celebrate Yule instead of that other one.
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[QUOTE=Mantis Dad;3747196][I]Agree with both of you. My employees always say how they worship me and that I am their "coolest boss ever". But besides all the worshiping, I cannot lift heavy hammers not meant for me, or even generate one tiny little lighting bolt. :([/I][/QUOTE]
Or some really plush carpet & a doorknob. :D
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3747218][B] Sorry Mantis, you need a tiny nation the size of been jersey before you can do that, better get to work[/B][/QUOTE]
See above. ;)
[QUOTE=Mantis Dad;3747223][I]Speaking of Bast; I am truly interested if anyone on the forum worships her /him/? I, as a Scandinavian, I do not worship Thor or Odin, but I do celebrate the old Gods ways, and celebrate Yule instead of that other one.
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No, but I have many friends in the magickal community, and it would not surprise me at all if one of them does. Several are owned by cats.
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[I]LOL!
Bast though, was the child of RA. I would be curious if anyone has any statues, or books, and worships her. More important, was anyone turned on to her from reading the BP books?[/I]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3747211][B] I would say bast is More of a added layer then a retcon, especially now that it's being said bast originated from Wakanda in a way that Also makes her look bad. The change simply make all of Wakanda, bast included look bad [/B][/QUOTE]
Saying the gods of Wakanda were the Egyptian gods is a retcons. We have seen the Panther and Lion gods of Wakanda, and they were nothing like the Egyptian counter parts.
That said, I get why Priest did it. It connects the Wakandan mythology a bit more with the rest of the MU.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3747261]Saying the gods of Wakanda were the Egyptian gods is a retcons. We have seen the Panther and Lion gods of Wakanda, and they were nothing like the Egyptian counter parts.
That said, I get why Priest did it. It connects the Wakandan mythology a bit more with the rest of the MU.[/QUOTE]
[I]Not all nations across the world think of, or worship the same gods in the same way. I think, they could have been Egyptian gods all along.[/I]
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Maybe Coates (chokes) is working towards abandoning Bast and bringing back just the panther god.......cue the Nanor laugh