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[QUOTE=XPac;3808198][B]I'm not the one who brought up the Dora issue. Again, I'm fine with the situation because it was in fact resolved. [/B]
And the treehouse rape thing was resolved two. In a handful of panels, they were taken care of. So as far as I"m concerned, both are non issues now. Doras got their independence and took care of the tree houses, so all is well with the world.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Dude, you don't have to bring up the issue.
Somebody could say Dora the Explorer and you'd start with your wives-in-training schtick.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3808945][COLOR="#000080"]Dude, you don't have to bring up the issue.
Somebody could say Dora the Explorer and you'd start with your wives-in-training schtick.
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And if I ever do happen to respond to a Dora the Explorer post with a wives in training schtick, feel free to call me on it. In this case however, I was responding to a comment made about the usage of the Doras that another poster started.
I'll say again, for me personally both the wives in training issue and the tree house rape issue are resolved as far as I'm concerned, so I'm good. I'll discuss the matters if someone else brings them up, but I've got nothing to complain about at this point.
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[QUOTE=LastManStanding;3808645]No sir...not Doomy
I may not like the character but I know that there will be no tree house rape camps on an editor for a Dr. Doom story watch. As soon as a writer presented that draft the editor will slide it right back to him..Let us try again[/QUOTE]
Honestly I doubt the editors would care. Would they be expecting some sort of protest from eastern European comic book fans for their portrayal in a Doom comic?
These are the same editors which agreed to Steve becoming a Nazi, and Spider-Man making a deal with the devil. As long as they feel the story makes sense, I don't think it would be an issue.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3808374]I don't think human trafficking is necessarily "allowed" in most countries. But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's rarely the subject matter of most comic book stories (mostly street level stuff when it does), but I don't think the idea being conveyed her is that Wakanda is the only country on earth where these sort of crimes can happen.[/QUOTE]
Once again, have you seen rape camps in Attilan, Atlantis, Kun-Lun or any other fictional nations in the MCU?
That's a simple question that multiple posters have asked you in this thread and yet to date, you're yet to give a straight forward yes or no answer.
Hate to break it to you bruv, but if none of the other nations descended into debauchery and utter misogynistic chaos post Secret Wars II, having rape camps and all of that other mess in Wakanda was nothing less than straight pandering to the lowest common denominator by Coates.
End of story.
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Apparently the next Black Panther Epic Collection has been announced: [B]Black Panther Epic Collection Vol. 2 - Revenge of the Black Panther[/B].
Collects BLACK PANTHER (1977) 1-15, MARVEL PREMIERE (1972) 51-53, BLACK PANTHER (1988) 1-4, MATERIAL FROM MARVEL TEAM-UP (1972) 100.
I'm a bit surprised it doesn't have Iron Man Annual #5 given that it's a Peter Gillis story.
Meanwhile, here's a story I read from Epic Collection Vol. 1.
Jungle Action Vol. 2 #20 - [i]They Told Me a Myth I Wanted to Believe[/i]
[img]https://www.use.com/images/s_2/3d6c9050906f2d6eb452_2.jpg[/img]
This cover looks very different. It's very modern Americana, which is not what you expect to see in a Jungle Action comic. On the fist page, we see T'Challa (still in his Black Panther costume) in a grocery store. Understandably, he is attracting a lot of stares, but they're not sure why (is he a celebrity, is he a freak show, is he a threat?). Billy Graham draws a wonderful page full of people's confused and shocked stares. It's actually pretty nice to see. One distracted old lady knocks over a bunch of stuff and, when T'Challa turns to help her, a couple of guys (I think Dragon's Circle) hold Monica at knifepoint to delivery a message from "the Reverend."
T'Challa leaps to her defense and does a pretty good job of kicking their asses. Unfortunately, the police show up and they start beating on T'Challa. The old lady joins in while he's down. The sheriff arrives and breaks up the fight, once again showing sympathy to T'Challa and Monica but preferring they didn't ruin his day. In a brief interlude, we find out more about Monica's sister's death. She supposedly went into the real estate office she was suspecting of corruption and committed suicide.
In the final act, T'Challa jumps into the middle of a Klan meeting and starts beating them up. It opens with a wonderful two-page spread. As the story continues, the top and bottom rows of panels follow Monica's story while the middle has T'Challa. It's very good from a formalist perspective. I really don't think Billy Graham gets enough credit as an artist. Unfortunately, T'Challa isn't doing to well against the sheer numbers he's fighting. But the scenes themselves are wonderfully juxtaposed with Kevin Trublood talking about American values and whether it is even worth writing a story about the Klan that will just get his family attacked and change nothing. But he feels he has to because he believes in America. In the panel in between, T'Challa burns on a cross.
The message at the end is powerful and powerfully delivered. It's a bit contrived that T'Challa ended up overwhelmed by a bunch of Klansmen (not just because they're not elite fighters but because the whole thing seems to come out of nowhere and no attempt is made to sell what is happening), but the story itself works really well. So far, I'm continuing to enjoy the story.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3807874]Interesting. Looks like Disney actually wants to hit that milestone.[/QUOTE]
Gain extra PR as it will be only the 3rd movie in history to hit that milestone. Avatar and The Force Awakens were the others. Which will look extra good for shareholders.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3809368]Apparently the next Black Panther Epic Collection has been announced: [B]Black Panther Epic Collection Vol. 2 - Revenge of the Black Panther[/B].
Collects BLACK PANTHER (1977) 1-15, MARVEL PREMIERE (1972) 51-53, BLACK PANTHER (1988) 1-4, MATERIAL FROM MARVEL TEAM-UP (1972) 100.
I'm a bit surprised it doesn't have Iron Man Annual #5 given that it's a Peter Gillis story.
Meanwhile, here's a story I read from Epic Collection Vol. 1.
Jungle Action Vol. 2 #20 - [i]They Told Me a Myth I Wanted to Believe[/i]
[img]https://www.use.com/images/s_2/3d6c9050906f2d6eb452_2.jpg[/img]
This cover looks very different. It's very modern Americana, which is not what you expect to see in a Jungle Action comic. On the fist page, we see T'Challa (still in his Black Panther costume) in a grocery store. Understandably, he is attracting a lot of stares, but they're not sure why (is he a celebrity, is he a freak show, is he a threat?). Billy Graham draws a wonderful page full of people's confused and shocked stares. It's actually pretty nice to see. One distracted old lady knocks over a bunch of stuff and, when T'Challa turns to help her, a couple of guys (I think Dragon's Circle) hold Monica at knifepoint to delivery a message from "the Reverend."
T'Challa leaps to her defense and does a pretty good job of kicking their asses. Unfortunately, the police show up and they start beating on T'Challa. The old lady joins in while he's down. The sheriff arrives and breaks up the fight, once again showing sympathy to T'Challa and Monica but preferring they didn't ruin his day. In a brief interlude, we find out more about Monica's sister's death. She supposedly went into the real estate office she was suspecting of corruption and committed suicide.
In the final act, T'Challa jumps into the middle of a Klan meeting and starts beating them up. It opens with a wonderful two-page spread. As the story continues, the top and bottom rows of panels follow Monica's story while the middle has T'Challa. It's very good from a formalist perspective. I really don't think Billy Graham gets enough credit as an artist. Unfortunately, T'Challa isn't doing to well against the sheer numbers he's fighting. But the scenes themselves are wonderfully juxtaposed with Kevin Trublood talking about American values and whether it is even worth writing a story about the Klan that will just get his family attacked and change nothing. But he feels he has to because he believes in America. In the panel in between, T'Challa burns on a cross.
[B]The message at the end is powerful and powerfully delivered. It's a bit contrived that T'Challa ended up overwhelmed by a bunch of Klansmen (not just because they're not elite fighters but because the whole thing seems to come out of nowhere and no attempt is made to sell what is happening), but the story itself works really well. So far, I'm continuing to enjoy the story.[/B][/QUOTE]
The bit with the reporter talking to Monica's parent really moved me years ago and made it one of my favorite JA issues. I think the speech still works in today's climate.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3808478]We see human trafficking in the States too, from time to time in stories.
If it makes anyone feel better, after Secret Wars Latveria pretty much fell apart too. Scott had an X Nation in the Avenger books (which never existed on the X-Men side of things), which unsurprisingly didn't make it's way back to the regular universe after Secret Wars. So a few countries experienced status quo shifts. Again, it's just a matter of whether or not writers wanted to use Time Runs Out or sweep it under the rug.[/QUOTE]
[B]Not even close to the same thing at all dude. Theres a reason people took offense to an AFRICAN nation having treehouse rape camps, and the beacon escapism for Black folks being hammered down with nearly every racial stereotype thrown our way.. not the same at all[/B]
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3808921]As it happens, I know [B]exactly[/B] how (one version of) Doom deals with the rise of a criminal element in Latveria. And he did it [B]one issue[/B] after hearing about it, despite the fact that he'd only recently regained the throne, and was still consolidating power:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/ZE2LG1c.jpg[/img]
From DOOM 2099 #27, back when Warren Ellis was still good.[/QUOTE]
[B]Sorry, Tchalla doesn't get this
Remember he has been shown too often as "awesome awesome awesome" so now we get to see what a deflated panther looks like who acts like he has never run his country before or has any damn sense what so ever[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3809499][B]Not even close to the same thing at all dude. Theres a reason people took offense to an AFRICAN nation having treehouse rape camps, and the beacon escapism for Black folks being hammered down with nearly every racial stereotype thrown our way.. not the same at all[/B][/QUOTE]
Seeking escapism from marvel can be a tricky tricky thing because marvel will drag their guys thought the mud. Wakanda under McGregor, Priest, Maeberry, Hickman and of course Coates at times was a troubled place. You can still escape to the place, but there's plenty of bad with the good.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3809525]Seeking escapism from marvel can be a tricky tricky thing because marvel will drag their guys thought the mud. Wakanda under McGregor, Priest, Maeberry, Hickman and of course Coates at times was a troubled place. You can still escape to the place, but there's plenty of bad with the good.[/QUOTE]
[B]The difference with those (except Mayberry) is that Tchalla was the hero stopping ****. It letting it happen because he was "too distracted ™" do you honestly think MCU Panther would of been such a smash jitbif it portrayed T'Challa abd Wakanda like Coates is? I'll answer that for you. No chance in hell
Yet here you go and try to make excuses for offensive racial stereotypes[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3809553][B]The difference with those (except Mayberry) is that Tchalla was the hero stopping ****. It letting it happen because he was "too distracted ™" do you honestly think MCU Panther would of been such a smash jitbif it portrayed T'Challa abd Wakanda like Coates is? I'll answer that for you. No chance in hell
Yet here you go and try to make excuses for offensive racial stereotypes[/B][/QUOTE]
If you have stories taking place in africa, you're almost certainly going to show some black characters commuting criminal behavior. Behavior that can be considered stereotypical. But in the super hero genre, crime happens. Thieves, murderers, and on rare occasion even rapists. I think what turns those negative issues into positive ones is when you see people rise up to end such behavior.
The thing to take away isn't that there are black kidnappers and rapistd, but rather that there were black women who rose up to stop them.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3808945][COLOR="#000080"]Dude, you don't have to bring up the issue.
Somebody could say Dora the Explorer and you'd start with your wives-in-training schtick.
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Knowledge my brother..
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3809499][B]Not even close to the same thing at all dude. Theres a reason people took offense to an AFRICAN nation having treehouse rape camps, and the beacon escapism for Black folks being hammered down with nearly every racial stereotype thrown our way.. not the same at all[/B][/QUOTE]
The funny thing is that one doesn't even have to be of African descent to understand why what Coates has done introducing stereotypical African violence and the subjugation of African women in a Wakanda that was never influenced by Western Imperialism, is thoroughly offensive.
One just has to be monumentally tone deaf or just plain ignorant as to how negative stereotypes reinforce bigoted views.
You can rest assured that Coates would never have dared pulled a similar stunt misrepresenting any other ethnicity in this manner.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3808478]We see human trafficking in the States too, from time to time in stories.
If it makes anyone feel better, after Secret Wars Latveria pretty much fell apart too. Scott had an X Nation in the Avenger books (which never existed on the X-Men side of things), which unsurprisingly didn't make it's way back to the regular universe after Secret Wars. So a few countries experienced status quo shifts. Again, it's just a matter of whether or not writers wanted to use Time Runs Out or sweep it under the rug.[/QUOTE]
I don't care where else it happens.
The point folks are making is they are tired of pandering writers like Coates-all he did was feed the worshipers of black men oppress black women and Africa is nothing but huts, children soldiers, Shaka Zulu, abused women and Sally Struthers.
Why is Wakanda the only place shown to be a mess in this book yet it's fine in books like Ms marvel.