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Now since Ramonda almost died and Shuri almost died T'Challa has been more emotional. Shuri coming back from her experience seems to be cooler because her experience has changed.
Wakandan Orishas might be different from other the Youraban pantheon. And they might be setting Bast up as being different from the Egyptian pantheon which makes since.
Kasper coming back is dope hope it's not a one shot and hope he gets a different code name...
I don't know about anyone else but I've either viewed BP and Bast connection as either Naruto and Nine Tails or the Avatar and Raava interesting to see what happens next
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[QUOTE=C_haos;2552898]Now since Ramonda almost died and Shuri almost died T'Challa has been more emotional. Shuri coming back from her experience seems to be cooler because her experience has changed.
Wakandan Orishas might be different from other the Youraban pantheon. And they might be setting Bast up as being different from the Egyptian pantheon which makes since.
Kasper coming back is dope hope it's not a one shot and hope he gets a different code name...
I don't know about anyone else but I've either viewed BP and Bast connection as either Naruto and Nine Tails or the Avatar and Raava interesting to see what happens next[/QUOTE]
Kasper really should get a different name. White Tiger is practically a corps at this point. I think Liss was going to make him American Panther. And Coal Tiger actually kinda works because of his first name.
That said he's probably retired.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2552919]Kasper really should get a different name. White Tiger is practically a corps at this point. I think Liss was going to make him American Panther. And Coal Tiger actually kinda works because of his first name.
That said he's probably retired.[/QUOTE]
He showed up in costume at Rhodey's funeral. You know, in the same issue where Spenser invented the not!Crew?
(For the record, I don't see Coates as the black Bendis. He's the black Hickman. All hype & worldbuilding, no real characterization or payoff)
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At this point just wishing for small things
- please dont get ethered by changamire
- please shuri, crowhammer ayo again
- please tchalla, punch (ok force push) tetu at least once
Littke victories...
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2552930]He showed up in costume at Rhodey's funeral. You know, in the same issue where Spenser invented the not!Crew?
(For the record, I don't see Coates as the Black Bendis. He's the black Hickman. All hype & worldbuilding, no real characterization or payoff)[/QUOTE]
Forgot about that. I guess the American Panther thing won't be taking off since he's still geared up as White Tiger. Still think he needs a different name though.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2552817]Coates has turned Shuri into her mom.
Though on all fairness Shuri over time has gotten a better handle on her emotions. And in comics life/death experiences often do create oportunities to change characters.[/QUOTE]
She definitely has a better handle on her emotions. Though I noticed she still doesn't seem afraid to put the paws on people if she needs to. The way she son'd Aneka with the "What shall it be little girl" gave me life. I think at her core she'll still have that fierceness, but it'll be done in a more sophisticated way now. Because she was taking jabs at them through that whole preview.
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[QUOTE=mbeezy561;2552977]She definitely has a better handle on her emotions. Though I noticed she still doesn't seem afraid to put the paws on people if she needs to. The way she son'd Aneka with the "What shall it be little girl" gave me life. I think at her core she'll still have that fierceness, but it'll be done in a more sophisticated way now. Because she was taking jabs at them through that whole preview.[/QUOTE]
The MA are probably lucky this wasn't Maeberrys Shuri. But yeah ... maybe Shuri was going them a bit of attitude. Honestly it's a little hard for me to tell because I quite frankly can't understand half the things she says.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2552945]Forgot about that. I guess the American Panther thing won't be taking off since he's still geared up as White Tiger. Still think he needs a different name though.[/QUOTE]
Right! I swear one of these days somebody in this forum should write BP. Because although although the writers pay attention to canon, they rarely incorporate characters from previous runs into their story. Example great characters to have used: N'gassi , Sofija, The Acolytes of Zawavari. Also, I hate they killed S'yan man what a waste.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2552941]At this point just wishing for small things
- please dont get ethered by changamire
- please shuri, crowhammer ayo again
- please tchalla, punch (ok force push) tetu at least once
Littke victories...[/QUOTE]
[B]I have very little faith that he will give tetu a good fight. He got wrapped up by vines.. I feel like he is gonna end up beat up at Tetus feet like Mayberry and Hickman had Tchalla laying at Dooms feet..[/B]
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The Tiger is a cool aspect of Wakanda though I think it was Parker who introduced the idea that Ghenis Khan gifted them to the Royal family and now a population roams the country side. Would love to see a follow up to that.
Speaking of Parker his other character Derek Khanta hasn't been seen in a while
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[QUOTE=BBeeryan;2552268]The general consensus I get is that BP's current on-going is not well received here. I'm not buying any comics atm and I don't plan to until "The Crew" drops. What are some of the main gripes with the current on-going?[/QUOTE]
I meant to say something earlier, but I got distracted and forgot. A couple of other folks have mentioned problems with the portrayal of the main character so I won't repeat it. But another major problem is the pacing. And while it's true that it's a twelve part story, look at something like the current Black Widow run...it too is a twelve part story...with plenty of plot twists and flashbacks but moves at a breakneck pace and is packed with action. Extremely well done action I might add.
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Oh boy Kasper Cole joins the T'Challa hating club. Thank God.
Bast hasn't been seen in ages...Coates read Hickman's Run?
Also can we stop calling Coates Black Bendis.
Bendis has never screwed a character this hard in a slow. Plus at least he built up two Black Male Characters while Coates is tearing down the most Iconic in comics. Yeah we might not agree with everything he did to Cage. But he did raise the characters profile and we got an awesome Netflix Show. And he created Miles who is getting an animated movie. And he made Riri without having to tear down and degrade a character and his entire mythos.
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[QUOTE=mbeezy561;2552533]I agree, but I definitely understand where the hardcore Black Panther fans are coming from. It made sense for T'challa to be a little depressed given everything he went through, from losing T'chaka, to losing S'yan, to losing Storm, to his father disowning and ancestors disowning him, to Shuri being killed, to Ramonda getting hurt.That's enough to break anybody. At the same time though, what doesn't kill you should make you stronger. So since season [B]1 was about breaking T'challa down, hopefully season 2 will focus on him being built back up.[/B][/QUOTE]
T'Challa hasn't been "Broken down" in this series. In order to be broken down you have to start out in your natural state. This series literally starts out with T'Challa on his knees bleeding with panels of his greatest failures are in the background.
We never see T'Challa as his normal self at any point in this series and it's nine damn issues in. We're just constantly told he's unfit to be king and he's a danger to his people.
And as for him reaching his "Breaking point" we saw that during Hickman's run. We saw him finally break under all the pressure and have an emotional release and we saw him pick himself back up and save all of existence.
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[QUOTE=JediKage;2553147]Oh boy Kasper Cole joins the T'Challa hating club. Thank God.
Bast hasn't been seen in ages...Coates read Hickman's Run?
Also can we stop calling Coates Black Bendis.
Bendis has never screwed a character this hard in a slow. Plus at least he built up two Black Male Characters while Coates is tearing down the most Iconic in comics. Yeah we might not agree with everything he did to Cage. But he did raise the characters profile and we got an awesome Netflix Show. And he created Miles who is getting an animated movie. And he made Riri without having to tear down and degrade a character and his entire mythos.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I've seen a few people try to compare Coates Black Panther to Bendis' Daredevil and I call BS on that comparison. Yes, Daredevil is deconstructed heavily throughout the Bendis run, but we also see Matt pick up PLENTY of little victories throughout that run. Daredevil doesn't constantly get the crap beaten out of him nor is his constantly outsmarted by people during Bendis run.
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[QUOTE=Kasper Cole;2553202]T'Challa hasn't been "Broken down" in this series. In order to be broken down you have to start out in your natural state. This series literally starts out with T'Challa on his knees bleeding with panels of his greatest failures are in the background.
We never see T'Challa as his normal self at any point in this series and it's nine damn issues in. We're just constantly told he's unfit to be king and he's a danger to his people.
And as for him reaching his "Breaking point" we saw that during Hickman's run. We saw him finally break under all the pressure and have an emotional release and we saw him pick himself back up and save all of existence.[/QUOTE]
A lot of the breaking came before Coates got there. He lost his wife, his father rejected him, his nation was destroyed, and his sister died. He recovered somewhat by the time Coates run started but not all of that was swept under the rug off panel in the 8 month time gap. He, like Wakanda is still in the process of recovering.
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[QUOTE=Kasper Cole;2553218]Yeah, I've seen a few people try to compare Coates Black Panther to Bendis' Daredevil and I call BS on that comparison. Yes, Daredevil is deconstructed heavily throughout the Bendis run, but we also see Matt pick up PLENTY of little victories throughout that run. Daredevil doesn't constantly get the crap beaten out of him nor is his constantly outsmarted by people during Bendis run.[/QUOTE]
Between Cage, Miles and Riri... the only negative I'd have of Bendis hypothetically writing a Black Panther solo in [I]this[/I] era... would be "Bendis talk" and interracial relationship/non-black woman love interest. Both of which would be minor grievances compared to the bullshit Coates is cooking.
Bendis always gets his pick of top notch artists and he understands the story telling nuances of elevating a character in a solo title; Tony, Doom, Miles and now Riri. I can read those books and even if it's not my cup of tea (i.e. Doom), from a business/marketing perspective it's clear what he's doing.. b/c it's the same **** i would do, or that Hudlin would do, or that the Russos would do in a comic movie, to make a character look bad ass; even with the personal flaws that come with it (i.e. "Bendis talk")
So if Bendis was given the task of elevating BP, the same way he was given the task of elevating Riri after knowing he was about to piss black people off by smoking Rhodey... i'd be at peace with it. Tho he'd have to do something grand for me to ever forgive him about the banana-peel slip broken neck panel.
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[QUOTE=Kasper Cole;2553202]T'Challa hasn't been "Broken down" in this series. In order to be broken down you have to start out in your natural state. This series literally starts out with T'Challa on his knees bleeding with panels of his greatest failures are in the background.
We never see T'Challa as his normal self at any point in this series and it's nine damn issues in. We're just constantly told he's unfit to be king and he's a danger to his people.
And as for him reaching his "Breaking point" we saw that during Hickman's run. We saw him finally break under all the pressure and have an emotional release and we saw him pick himself back up and save all of existence.[/QUOTE]
I said it on the other page, we've been hearing the "breaking point" deconstruction talking point since BP was jumping rooftops playing Daredevil.
But yea, outsmarting God Emperor Doom and saving all of existence is a fairly pragmatic way of picking yourself back up.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2553264]A lot of the breaking came before Coates got there. He lost his wife, his father rejected him, his nation was destroyed, and his sister died. He recovered somewhat by the time Coates run started but not all of that was swept under the rug off panel in the 8 month time gap. He, like Wakanda is still in the process of recovering.[/QUOTE]
Even in the stuff that came before Coates we saw T'Challa pick up little victories and he was portrayed as being smart and capable. T'Challa under Coates is the dumbest and least capable T'Challa we've seen in some time.
And we saw how Secret Wars ended. Coates had a clean slate to work with. Wakanda sure as hell wasn't in recovery at the end of Hickman's epic.
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;2552711]One MAJOR difference between all those guys and BP.
NO matter what you do to those guys-they get redeemed.
Because someone is willing to do the job.[/QUOTE]
He saved the universe by outsmarting Gawd
He traverse space and time to bring back his sister.
I don't he needs redemption, at least not to the reader.
If he feels that Wakanda deserves a leader, who is Wakanda first in all things, why is that a bad thing.
He wants to be the Black Panther the protector of Wakanda and the World. He doesn't want to rule either.
Of course, another writer can come in and say in one issue that Tchalla had a change of heart. Just so many other heroes who gave up their identity or leadership.
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[QUOTE=Kasper Cole;2553407]Even in the stuff that came before Coates we saw T'Challa pick up little victories and he was portrayed as being smart and capable. T'Challa under Coates is the dumbest and least capable T'Challa we've seen in some time.
And we saw how Secret Wars ended. Coates had a clean slate to work with. Wakanda sure as hell wasn't in recovery at the end of Hickman's epic.[/QUOTE]
Actually, Coates states he didn't even get the ending until already in the road to starting his run. He could have done Etch A Sketch like so many writers do because they just want to tell their story, but he felt that there was too much there to just sweep in under the rug.
I wish more writers would follow that example and just go with the easy reboot.
Honestly, if I wrote the book, I could easily go with a more villainous route. Seriously, with all the betrayal and sacrifice he has to endure. The motivation to go back to isolationist Wakanda and rule this world from the shadows would be a very tempting path to take the character on.
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[QUOTE=Kasper Cole;2553218]Yeah, I've seen a few people try to compare Coates Black Panther to Bendis' Daredevil and I call BS on that comparison. Yes, Daredevil is deconstructed heavily throughout the Bendis run, but we also see Matt pick up PLENTY of little victories throughout that run. Daredevil doesn't constantly get the crap beaten out of him nor is his constantly outsmarted by people during Bendis run.[/QUOTE]
Matt alienated everybody. Became the friggin Kingpin of crime. He did put Matt through moral quicksand.
Coates might have that in store for TChalla but so far, we haven't got there yet.
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I wonder when (and I suspect it will be when, not if) issue #12 goes by without a clean win for T'Challa, will people start saying we should wait for the end of Coates' 5-year run?
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I call tnc black bendis for superficial reasons
Gets great artists always
Nails the last page cliffhanger
Solicits make you come back after u swore u were done
Meandering plots that get you interested then never end
We will see if he can end like bendis (whimper) or not
Its all about the ending with year long stories
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[QUOTE=Kasper Cole;2553218]Yeah, I've seen a few people try to compare Coates Black Panther to Bendis' Daredevil and I call BS on that comparison. Yes, Daredevil is deconstructed heavily throughout the Bendis run, but we also see Matt pick up PLENTY of little victories throughout that run. Daredevil doesn't constantly get the crap beaten out of him nor is his constantly outsmarted by people during Bendis run.[/QUOTE]
However, if you read the Out story arc (eight issues from Out to Dancing Between the Rain Drops), it's eight issues where Matt doesn't do anything heroic, is on the verge of a mental breakdown, and makes a ton of stupid decisions (such as jumping out of his window wearing his Daredevil costume but not mask with a bunch of reporters and camera crew outside). It's followed by Trial of the Century - three issues where Matt fails to save Hector Ayala's life when he's charged with murder. Followed by Lowlife (five issues) - where he gets outsmarted by the Owl, fights him on camera, which hurts his credibility, and then the FBI saves the day. It's only in Hardcore where he finally does something superheroic and wins. Arguably, Underboss, he doesn't really do much heroic either, but he also doesn't do anything not unheroic (the biggest thing he does is beat up a bunch of people, but kind of in a way similar to T'Challa in the early issues where violence seemed to make things worse). But, regardless, it's still 16 issues where Matt Murdock gets crapped on and doesn't do anything besides constantly verge on the edge of a mental breakdown. By comparison, Marvel has published ten issues with Coates.
I'm not saying the two will be ultimately comparable. But I do think, if you're going to give Bendis's work the benefit of looking at the complete run, then you have to wait on Coates as well. If you're only judging Bendis's work from a comparable period of time, I think you'll find Daredevil's situation to be just as bleak if not more so. I think this story can be judged after issue 12 with no problem because it'll be a complete arc. I wouldn't be surprised if most people here won't like it either, but we have no idea how it'll be resolved or whether he'll get the victory.
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2553559]I wonder when (and I suspect it will be when, not if) issue #12 goes by without a clean win for T'Challa, will people start saying we should wait for the end of Coates' 5-year run?[/QUOTE]
Personally, I'm fine with victories not being clean victories. I always point to Panther's Rage. There very much was a sense of "Yes you won, but at what cost?" However, I think you can judge this story arc just fine based on the completed arc. If you don't like the journey and don't like the destination, it's not going to change by reading more. I would suggest we see how the next story is going to go. If he's in a more superheroic posture (such as taking him out of Wakanda), it might suggest a change of circumstances could be more to your liking. However, if those potential change of circumstances end up being more of the same, I certainly am not going to say "keep reading season two and see how that ends" (not that I've encouraged anyone to read anything they don't like, since that just seems counterproductive).
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[QUOTE=Kasper Cole;2553407]Even in the stuff that came before Coates we saw T'Challa pick up little victories and he was portrayed as being smart and capable. T'Challa under Coates is the dumbest and least capable T'Challa we've seen in some time.
And we saw how Secret Wars ended. Coates had a clean slate to work with. Wakanda sure as hell wasn't in recovery at the end of Hickman's epic.[/QUOTE]
Again though Secret Wars ended before all the bad stuff happened that it would need to recover fron. Because marvel decided that the incursions all still happened even with the reboot, Wakame still being in a pretty bad place, like T'Challa himself, still made sense.
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[QUOTE=HUTHAIFA;2553431]Actually, Coates states he didn't even get the ending until already in the road to starting his run. He could have done Etch A Sketch like so many writers do because they just want to tell their story, but he felt that there was too much there to just sweep in under the rug.
I wish more writers would follow that example and just go with the easy reboot.
Honestly, if I wrote the book, I could easily go with a more villainous route. Seriously, with all the betrayal and sacrifice he has to endure. The motivation to go back to isolationist Wakanda and rule this world from the shadows would be a very tempting path to take the character on.[/QUOTE]
Priest sort of started moving T'Challa in a slightly more villainous direction before pulling back before things went too far. There were some parallels to Magneto being made. It might have been fun and inretesting to see a slight heel turn. We'really seeing some really fun stuff with Hydra Cap, though it wouldn't be the same thing obviously.
I can see why going that route probably isn't doable since there were already plans for him to be on Ultimates but yeah ... it's a fun idea that would be tempting to play with.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2551987][img]http://cbr2.imgix.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/BLAPCREW2017001-SCOTT-VAR.jpg?auto=format&lossless=1&q=40&w=864&h=1282&fit=crop[/img]
official crew solicit[/QUOTE]
Upon first glance I thought that gun was part of Misty's cyber arm.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2553559]I wonder when (and I suspect it will be when, not if) issue #12 goes by without a clean win for T'Challa, will people start saying we should wait for the end of Coates' 5-year run?[/QUOTE]
Maybe it's because we have different definitions of clean, but I thought he got a clean win over Stane.
But really a story should be more about the journey than ten destination. The people that aren't happy with the process getting there likely won't be happy when they are there. Simply put, read stuff you actually like. If this book isn'the for you 8-9 issues in it won't be for you 12 issues in.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2553559]I wonder when (and I suspect it will be when, not if) issue #12 goes by without a clean win for T'Challa, will people start saying we should wait for the end of Coates' 5-year run?[/QUOTE]
Making him into some lil kids "Spider-Man" is a "process" after all... lol.
I mean really, its not... but thatll be part of the excuse
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[QUOTE=XPac;2553627]Maybe it's because we have different definitions of clean, but I thought he got a clean win over Stane.
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It could have been. The stated goal of T'challa going there and playing possum was to get the confession tape.
And then... nothing came of it at all. Which was really bizarre. I figured that would be a turning point for the MA storyline once they learn Tetu was teaming up with super villains and bombing citizens but then... nothing.
The tape is what should have been referenced during Tetu and the elder's conversation instead of more rape talk. the rape stuff was hamfisted in there. A conversation of why Tetu is suicide bombing people would have fit the ongoing storyline (and fits a political story where propaganda is a poweful weapon) much better but alas...
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2553640]It could have been. The stated goal of T'challa going there and playing possum was to get the confession tape.
And then... nothing came of it at all. Which was really bizarre. I figured that would be a turning point for the MA storyline once they learn Tetu was teaming up with super villains and bombing citizens but then... nothing.
The tape is what should have been referenced during Tetu and the elder's conversation instead of more rape talk. the rape stuff was hamfisted in there. A conversation of why Tetu is suicide bombing people would have fit the ongoing storyline (and fits a political story where propaganda is a poweful weapon) much better but alas...[/QUOTE]
The turning point for the MA will likely Shuri telling them they won't be killed if they end their idiotic tantrum. At the moment they have every reason to believe they will be killed if T'Challas side beats them. We saw how the Desturi was handled and one was on death row before thus whole mess began. Not being killed is strong incentive for them not to switch sides regardless of how they feel about Tetu.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2553647]The turning point for the MA will likely Shuri telling them they won't be killed if they end their idiotic tantrum. At the moment they have every reason to believe they will be killed if T'Challas side beats them. We saw how the Desturi was handled and one was on death row before thus whole mess began. Not being killed is strong in a entire for them not to switch sides regardless of how they feel about Tetu.[/QUOTE]
Fear the Crowhammer™
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#10 was 100% the best issue yet.
I am sure someone will comb through T'challa's dialogue and find fault (there was a TON of dialogue so even i need to read it a few times over), which is fine, but... I think the royals verbally ethered the the MA and Changamire.
Even his "i dont want to be king" bit was explained to a degree I find it... acceptable (or ive accept the inevitable)
And oh lawd, Shuri is still Shuri. Cold, cold as ice. SHe does not take kindly to rebellion lol.
[spoil] I fear the Jabari lands are about to be wiped by Tetu. He was... omnimous to say the least[/spoil]
#11 now really, really needs an action pack ending to hammer the book home. Stelfreeze or Sprouse on 11?
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2553700]#10 was 100% the best issue yet.
I am sure someone will comb through T'challa's dialogue and find fault (there was a TON of dialogue so even i need to read it a few times over), which is fine, but... I think the royals verbally ethered the the MA and Changamire.
And oh lawd, Shuri is still Shuri. Cold, cold as ice. SHe does not take kindly to rebellion lol.
[spoil] I fear the Jabari lands are about to be wiped by Tetu. He was... omnimous to say the least[/spoil]
#11 now really, really needs an action pack ending to hammer the book home. Stelfreeze or Sprouse on 11?[/QUOTE]
StelFreeze! And I agree it was about damn time T'challa put his foot down with Changamire, and Shuri' s ultimatum to the MA was epic! I hope Shuri and Zenzi come to face to face because I'm quite sure Zenzi will not walk away from that battle.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2553627]Maybe it's because we have different definitions of clean, but I thought he got a clean win over Stane.
But really a story should be more about the journey than ten destination. The people that aren't happy with the process getting there likely won't be happy when they are there. Simply put, read stuff you actually like. If this book isn'the for you 8-9 issues in it won't be for you 12 issues in.[/QUOTE]
Stane was never the threat. He was, at best, a distraction. The rebellions are still going on, and THAT is the victory T'Challa needs. Not against a token supervillain, tossed in so Coates can set up the Crew.
[QUOTE=XPac;2553647]The turning point for the MA will likely Shuri telling them they won't be killed if they end their idiotic tantrum. At the moment they have every reason to believe they will be killed if T'Challas side beats them. We saw how the Desturi was handled and one was on death row before thus whole mess began. Not being killed is strong incentive for them not to switch sides regardless of how they feel about Tetu.[/QUOTE]
Then it would be SHURI's victory, not T'Challa's.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2553700]#10 was 100% the best issue yet. [/QUOTE]
I trust you, Brother MindofShadow... but I just don't want to be burned again.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2553722]Stane was never the threat. He was, at best, a distraction. The rebellions are still going on, and THAT is the victory T'Challa needs. Not against a token supervillain, tossed in so Coates can set up the Crew.
Then it would be SHURI's victory, not T'Challa's.[/QUOTE]
Aure, Stand is more a sub boss than a boss. Beating the primary antagonist is something you likely want to save for the end. I'm just saying I felt that was a clean win (though admittedly I suppose that depends ones interpretation of what a clean win might be).
And yes, Shuri stopping the MA would land her the credit for that. But that's the upside of a story with multiple antagonists. Gives Shuri something to do too.
Ultimately they both on the same team so it's a win for everyone either way.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2553723]I trust you, Brother MindofShadow... but I just don't want to be burned again.[/QUOTE]
Best is always relative :)
short spoilers to help make your decision. Not super revealing but it would be impossible to be super revealing bc the dialogue is so dense. There is no action, it is purely set up for the big battle but it is good set up IMO.
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Mostly because people actually start defending T'challa. Shuri starts the process when talking to the MA and T'challa actually defends himself when talking to Changamire
Shuri is actually shuri when talking to the MA. She went to them not to give them hugs... she went there to threaten them. Join tetu and we will burn Jabari to the ground and kill every one of you. it felt like classic Shuri with a touch more wisdom.
T'challa and Changs talk gives more insight into T'challa's "i dont want to be a king" psyche. He is a hero. He actually talks himself up a bit (a line about all hes been through and went through and was not stopped). But, while t'challa talks about this, at the same time he is leading CHangamire along to get what he wants. He wins the discussion... cHangamire wins in a sense as well because T'challa promises to change Wakanda as a whole
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It basically brings everything to a head conversation wise with both Chang and the MA. And both Chang and the MA are wrong.
I don't think this is a "change your mind about everything so far" issue... Coates would have to nail #11 and possibly #12 as well to salvage this run in my eyes. But, I was never so far on the "this is hot garbage" fence either. I've kind of shrugged and realized Priest Panther died of an aneurysm lol
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2553743]Best is always relative :)
short spoilers to help make your decision. Not super revealing but it would be impossible to be super revealing bc the dialogue is so dense. [B]There is no action, it is purely set up [/B]for the big battle but it is good set up IMO. [/QUOTE]
That's all I needed. Thanks, my friend.