Wait... Tony Stark and Hank Pym taught T'Challa about the existence and intricacies of time travel? :confused:
Hawkeye taught him how to talk to androids?
Interesting
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Wait... Tony Stark and Hank Pym taught T'Challa about the existence and intricacies of time travel? :confused:
Hawkeye taught him how to talk to androids?
Interesting
[QUOTE=Vic Vega;2821529]Off the top of my head re: the time of first term of membership...
The existence of the Kree, Time Travel, visited at least 2 parallel worlds, got to work with/on the only working Android in the Marvel
Universe (before they because as common as dirt) and there's a visit to either Asgard or Olympus in there (I forgot which).
And none of that stuff counts all the confusing Kang/Celestial Madonna stuff I'm not gonna bother specifying cuz I can't remember it all.
He wouldn't of had those adventures or ever even have found out about any of that stuff had he remained home, spy network or no.[/QUOTE]
He did time travel with King Solomon's Frogs, visited parallel world's with King Solomon's frogs.
Working with androids/synthezoids is not learning. T'Challa already knows they exist. He would have already knownabout Asgard without having to travel there. That's not learning.
What you'velisted here are mostly adventures.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2821587]He did time travel with King Solomon's Frogs, visited parallel world's with King Solomon's frogs.
Working with androids/synthezoids is not learning. T'Challa already knows they exist. He would have already knownabout Asgard without having to travel there. That's not learning.
What you'velisted here are mostly adventures.[/QUOTE]
Most of the stuff i listed took place before his solo Kirby series.
He time travelled first with the Avengers among other things.
He didn't just hang out with Vision back then he and Pym was involved with keeping him up and running. And almost nobody had seen a working Android back then as there was was only the Vision and that putty looking thing the Mad Thinker built.
If you want to say that there is no learning involved in visiting completely new places
agree to disagree.
[QUOTE=SKJoker;2821566]You don't have to be dumber than someone in order to learn something from them. You can learn a lot from anyone.
Even in Priest's Panther, he was interested in learning from Nightshade.[/QUOTE]
And that is a good example of how a scientist like T'Challa can think. He's in the middle of a fight, and 60 seconds into it he's already expressing an interest in what he might have to learn from Nightshade. Despite being from a nation as advanced as his, T'Challa isn't arrogant enough to assume he's got nothing to learn from other intellects or other countries or even other experiences. He's smart enough to understand there are things he can learn from Nightshade, and things he can learn from the Avengers.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2821587]He did time travel with King Solomon's Frogs, visited parallel world's with King Solomon's frogs.
Working with androids/synthezoids is not learning. T'Challa already knows they exist. He would have already knownabout Asgard without having to travel there. That's not learning.
What you'velisted here are mostly adventures.[/QUOTE]
If he learned absolutely nothing from his time with the Avengers then T'Challa turned out to be a pretty crappy spy.
But really the problem is that all of this are retcons decades after the fact. At the time it was written, he wasn't a spy and he didn't join out of scientific curiosity. So we never got to see him do any of this stuff because it's all made up after the fact.
[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;2821557]Jubilee had a cartoon show, comics series and solo all about her. She was Harley before Harley and if not for movie right issues-who knows where she might be now.[/quote]
hehe i was trying to tell people, but they didn't want to listen. Ppl talkin about Storm b-list and more popular than BP in 2017 but she aint even got Jubilation Lee beat.
[quote]Storm's issue like Cyborg has been they are just there. Unlike Falcon-who before Nick Spencer was always used for something and even got solo stories for him be it in Avengers or Marvel Presents. So you got variety with him.
The other two are forever overshadowed by writer favorites. You can't get decent development when you share page time with Dick Grayson, Wally West, Raven & Donna Troy. Nor Wolverine, Cyclops and others who dominate stories.
Hudlin tried to show Storm beyond that and much like we have seen-trying to show a strong black woman or man gets you backlash.
Folks praise Coates because they were given a weak black male that supports whatever narratives that they want.
When you look at the characters who bathe in the water of haters, trolls and so on-they can all stand on their own or projected as doing such.
John Stewart
Static
Black Panther
Miles Morales
Duke Thomas
Mosaic
Eli Bradley
Falcon, Night Thrasher, Synch & Cyborg seem to avoid it.[/QUOTE]
I've noticed that. What is it about wanting strong black male characters to be safe and/or dysfunctional negroes?
I've noticed that with Luke Cage during his marriage with Jessica Jones.
What is it about Coates safe dysfunctional negro T'Challa that people like? They use codewords such as "humanized" and "relatable".. what does that mean?
When T'Challa said he learned from them white folks instead of spying on them, is that when he felt more relatable? Does he feel "safe" and approachable now? :confused:
[QUOTE=Vic Vega;2821680]Most of the stuff i listed took place before his solo Kirby series.
He time travelled first with the Avengers among other things.
He didn't just hang out with Vision back then he and Pym was involved with keeping him up and running. And almost nobody had seen a working Android back then as there was was only the Vision and that putty looking thing the Mad Thinker built.
If you want to say that there is no learning involved in visiting completely new places
agree to disagree.[/QUOTE]
You sound as if T'Challa was some wide-eyed kid from Kansas who knew nothing outside ofthe farm. You don't think he know that there were other dimensions or parallel worlds? Dude wasn't just some auto mechanic working in the famly garage.
[QUOTE=XPac;2821712]If he learned absolutely nothing from his time with the Avengers then T'Challa turned out to be a pretty crappy spy.
But really the problem is that all of this are retcons decades after the fact. At the time it was written, he wasn't a spy and he didn't join out of scientific curiosity. So we never got to see him do any of this stuff because it's all made up after the fact.[/QUOTE]
He learned what makes the Avengers tick. He studied them and learned that they were honorable heroes. That's what he learned.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2821587]He did time travel with King Solomon's Frogs, visited parallel world's with King Solomon's frogs.
Working with androids/synthezoids is not learning. T'Challa already knows they exist. He would have already knownabout Asgard without having to travel there. That's not learning.
[B]What you'velisted here are mostly adventures.[/B][/QUOTE]
So Tony, Hank and Clint didn't actually teach T'Challa anything? :confused: They just went on adventures, fought kang the conqueror and other misc stuff?
I think experiencing all those adventures while joining to spy on them white folks sounds way cooler than experiencing all those adventures while joining wide-eyed to learn from them white folks. Then again, one of those sounds safer and less aggressive.
[QUOTE=Rumble;2821580]Wait... Tony Stark and Hank Pym taught T'Challa about the existence and intricacies of time travel? :confused:
Hawkeye taught him how to talk to androids?
Interesting[/QUOTE]
Lucky for him they were there.
[QUOTE=XPac;2821687]And that is a good example of how a scientist like T'Challa can think. He's in the middle of a fight, and 60 seconds into it he's already expressing an interest in what he might have to learn from Nightshade. Despite being from a nation as advanced as his, T'Challa isn't arrogant enough to assume he's got nothing to learn from other intellects or other countries or even other experiences. He's smart enough to understand there are things he can learn from Nightshade, and things he can learn from the Avengers.[/QUOTE]
[B]No one is saying he couldn't learn anything from the Avengers that's the point of spying your learning and gathering information. What people are calling bullshit on are Tchallas reasons for joining them under Coates pen. Priest Panther did it to protect his nation Because he puts Wakanda above all else some long shot T'Challa does that's badass. Coates wants to come in and say that Tchalla instead was wanting to find an excuse to leave Wakanda and the Avenger's was the perfect opportunity to leave his responsibilities Because Coates T'Challa doesn't want to be king because he is a scientist at heart.
That's the difference, that is the issu. It's pretty clear [/B]
[QUOTE=Rumble;2821752]So Tony, Hank and Clint didn't actually teach T'Challa anything? :confused: They just went on adventures, fought kang the conqueror and other misc stuff?
I think experiencing all those adventures while joining to spy on them white folks sounds way cooler than experiencing all those adventures while joining wide-eyed to learn from them white folks. Then again, one of those sounds safer and less aggressive.[/QUOTE]
That's the thing, it's like T'Challa is some boob from the hicks who needed to join the Avengers to get an education. He didn't need to join to do that.
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2821761][B]No one is saying he couldn't learn anything from the Avengers that's the point of spying your learning and gathering information. What people are calling bullshit on are Tchallas reasons for joining them under Coates pen. Priest Panther did it to protect his nation Because he puts Wakanda above all else some long shot T'Challa does that's badass. Coates wants to come in and say that Tchalla instead was wanting to find an excuse to leave Wakanda and the Avenger's was the perfect opportunity to leave his responsibilities Because Coates T'Challa doesn't want to be king because he is a scientist at heart.
That's the difference, that is the issu. It's pretty clear [/B][/QUOTE]
That my friend is the issue. The could he learn from the Avengers? Sure. Did he need the Avengers to learn anything? No. So does he have anulterior motive for joining? Yes. To spy on a group of superhumans that have set themselves as Earth's protectors.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2821772]That's the thing, it's like T'Challa is some boob from the hicks who needed to join the Avengers to get an education. He didn't need to join to do that.[/QUOTE]
T'Challa doesn't have to be any sort of boob to realize he can learn a great deal from the Avengers. Again, during his confrontation with Nightshade he expressed interest in learning from her, and she's not even as highly a rated an intellect as several of the Avengers T'Challa ended up working with.
Again, despite being from an advanced nation he's not arrogant enough to believe he doesn't have anything to learn from Nightshade, or the Avengers for that matter. Just as there are things T'Challa may likely have greater expertise in, so there are things guys like Pym and Beast and Stark may have greater expertise in as well.
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2821744]You sound as if T'Challa was some wide-eyed kid from Kansas who knew nothing outside ofthe farm. You don't think he know that there were other dimensions or parallel worlds? Dude wasn't just some auto mechanic working in the famly garage.[/QUOTE]
So because I know that Italy exists, I can learn nothing from going there?
That is what you are arguing now.