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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3742339][B] You should really just stop now. It's clear you don't care for T'Challa and this whole Mary Sue isht is beyond old. The fact your even using that as a reason is clear enough you only "care" about the BP mythos because Coates had turned it into a backdoor blue solo[/B][/QUOTE]
I'll never read about "Blue" and not think of, "You're my boy, Blue!"
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3742354]well if you had read ororo's original encounter with adversary, he was afraid of her. coates demonstrate in issue 172 why adversary was afraid of her so many years later.
and ororo has housed bast, as well as eternity, and healed the trion dimension on her own power. her defeating a universal threat with such a resume shouldn't be such a surprise.
sn: storm is a potential omega mutant and thank you for acknowledging tchalla shouldnt be beating characters like adversary on his own.[/QUOTE]
I can see why they are a good match up. Both can be defeated by locking them in a metal box.
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[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3742357]I can see why they are a good match up. Both can be defeated by locking them in a metal box.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3742324]but again what in his arsenal would allow him fo keep adversary contained? he cant be hurt by physical means, not indefinitely. the instance that some users here reference when adversary fought forge and dr. nemesis wasnt even hurt enough to reveal his true form. I understand as a fan of tchalla you want to see him do cool things but dont you think beating a character like adversary would make him a Mary sue?[/QUOTE]
Does defeating Adversary make Storm a Mary Sue? Right back atcha.
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Obviously you would use metal. Wood only works on Vampires and Alan Scott.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3742293]Honestly I think the point was less to make Storm more powerful, and more to strengthen the bond between Storm and Wakanda, in both a meta and non meta sense.
In a meta sense, since Storm isn't a queen anymore and technically has no official role in Wakanda outside of being the kings girlfriend, this sort of gives her a role beyond simply being T'Challa's booty call.
And in a non meta sense, I think T'Challa essentially manipulated the situation so that Storm and Wakanda could get on the same page again now that he wanted to date her again. Obviously there was some bad blood following their break up, and getting Storm to become Wakanda's savior allows Wakanda and Storm to accept each other. Which obviously clears the way for T'CHalla to date her again without any poltical problems.
Obviously the MAIN objective had to be defeating the adversary. But T'Challa isn't above killing 2 birds with one stone.[/QUOTE]
Using Storm as an essential element to defeat Adversary and talking her up to the Wakandans ala Change mode talking down whomever the f+#@ it was is the same thing no. Lazy Coates.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3742363]Does not defeating Adversary make Storm a Mary Sue? Right back atcha.[/QUOTE]
nope not if you are familiar with her continuity, as well as the xmen continuity relative to adversary.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3742318]Yes, he could have used her as a distraction. But again, the point isn't just to beat the adversary. It's to get Storm to win over the Wakandans. And obviously getting them to worship her achieves that. It also creates a degree of obligation on Storms part to Wakanda. Storm being a distraction doesn't achieve those points to the same degree.[/QUOTE]
Really. To get my woman back I gotta make her a goddess?! Hope I never lose her. For fucks sake! Really?
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3742324]but again what in his arsenal would allow him fo keep adversary contained? he cant be hurt by physical means, not indefinitely. the instance that some users here reference when adversary fought forge and dr. nemesis wasnt even hurt enough to reveal his true form. I understand as a fan of tchalla you want to see him do cool things but dont you think beating a character like adversary would make him a Mary sue?[/QUOTE]
Obviously Adversary came back, so Storm and the X-Men did not completely defeat him. Why are you holding Wakanda to the same standard?
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3742368]Using Storm as an essential element to defeat Adversary and talking her up to the Wakandans ala Change mode talking down whomever the f+#@ it was is the same thing no. Lazy Coates.[/QUOTE]
Being an essential part of defeating adversary and being the one to defeat him aren't the same thing. That's why people are complaining about this in the first place... because they wanted T'Challa to beat adversary.
But conversely T'Challa wanted Storm to beat her to that she would get the lions share of the credit, which better achieves his secondary objective.
Again, from T"CHalla's perspective he doesn't give a damn if he beats adversary or not as long as he's beaten. But he does give a dam about Wakandans accepting Storm, and her being their savior does that to a greater degree than her being a distraction. Plus, there's Storms end of things if they perceive her as a god she likely will feel more obligated to involve herself in Wakanda.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3742352]I dont care for tchalla because I'm pointing out he shouldn't be beating characters who are universal threats? no that is not how that will work and just because you don't like my opinions on the matter you most certainly do not have the authority to tell me to stop.
let coates story play out. we dont know yet what happened to the gods so before jumping to the conclusion of sayin who doesnt care about wakanda, step back breathe and let the story wrap up. the missing gods is clearly a loose end that will be tied up at a later point.[/QUOTE]
X-Men franchise best adversary, why can't Wakanda. Because canon? Lame.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3742376]Really. To get my woman back I gotta make her a goddess?! Hope I never lose her. For fucks sake! Really?[/QUOTE]
If it gets the job done, then yeah why not.
It's a way to beat adversary, in addition to obviously getting the Wakandans support behind her. There may be other ways to achieve both those things, but the point is that the way T'Challa handled it worked like a charm.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3742380]Obviously Adversary came back, so Storm and the X-Men did not completely defeat him. Why are you holding Wakanda to the same standard?[/QUOTE]
you are right the didnt completely defeat him only sealed him.in another portal. even when they sacrificed their lives they were unable to permanently deal with him.
[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3742384]X-Men franchise best adversary, why can't Wakanda. Because canon? Lame.[/QUOTE]
in order for the xmen fo originally seal him in a mystic portal created by forge it required the xmen lives. it still wasnt able to conceal him. now with ororo since she is a goddess things may be different but i doubt it. tchalla had the might of a goddess on his his side the xmen didnt so wakanda may win.where the xmen couldn't.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3742370]nope not if you are familiar with her continuity, as well as the xmen continuity relative to adversary.[/QUOTE]
So she has been a Mary Sue all along? Figured. No wonder people worship her. She's a mutant! She's a goddess! She slices, she dices, she does it all. No more universal threats. Hell more waste or clean up. Just call Storm. Thanos giving you problems? Storm. Goon slam Gary? Storm. Klaw? Storm. Earwig infestation? Storm. T'Challa, don't worry 'bout Doom. Storm! Mephisto? Storm! Skrull invasion? Storm! ( Ok, she was there). Good lord! We shouldn't be reading BP. We should be reading Storm. All the answers wrapped up in a soured franchise relationship that if I was a Wakandan would be the reason I was dumping on him. Forget the woman. Just be sure she is the universal solvent and can keep you tinkering in the lab instead of solving problems hands on instead of just minds on, why not? Oh Stormy, could you please fly on over, zap any interesting Wakanda mythos opportunity for development so we have nothing to fall back on when the next writer takes the reigns. Thanks, sweetie. You're a goddess. M
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Her only real weakness is getting people to buy books titled "Storm".
Oh and hammers.