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[QUOTE=ed2962;3543547]The bolded is how imperialists think. I'm not saying that any of this makes Killmonger a bad villain, I think he's a great villain. [B]The best villains are those who have motivations that the audience understands but they are bad guys because of the methods they use to achieve their goals.[/B] I'm just pointing out that a lot of the "Killmonger was right" people might not be thinking it through.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]This. I totally agree.
This is what made the movie great.
T'Challa wasn't just fighting against your run-of-the-mill villain.
He was going up against a foe with an understandable but flawed ideology.
And T'Challa got the win and the ultimate victory in the end.
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[QUOTE=Jabare;3543497]The debate is about methodology tho
I don't see it that way as much. I guess I should clarify. I'm referring to positive growth or enlightenment. This is undeniable in Ironman 1 from the character we are first introduced 2. Ironman 2 he's going through a lot because he's dying and everything is reactionary to that until inspiration is thrust in his face. Avengers they reference his clean energy even though its highlighted much more in Ironman 1, after that it might be referenced in a another film, but we don't really see it utilized or this effects on the Marvel world at large.
Ironman 3 he suffers from panic attacks and possible PTSD, which he is seemingly able to overcome quite impressively. Other than that we see him set on this path of revenge until he is brought full circle with the revelation that he birthed the Mandarin. The ending leaves us with the belief that Tony will change and become a new man, but Age of Ultron undercuts this, or really circumvents that as he falls into old habits out of fear. So I don't see Stark finding the same enlightenment he did in the first film.
I think we see him attain that in Civil War. He is confronted with his actions in Sokovia and decides to champion the "Accords." However he ultimately falls victim to the same recklessness he's fighting against as he's consumed by vengeance despite really being in the right for the first half of the film. Peter Parker is most likely Tony's silver lining for character growth these days. Despite putting him in harms way he gives him resources and the chance to grow into the hero we ultimately expect him to be. By that same token Peter is helping Tony grow as a pseudo parent/mentor for the next generation beyond just setting up grants and throwing money at things.
This is why I was saying since Tony Stark T'Challa is marvel's next enlightened hero. Cap despite going through a lot in his last two films has stayed relatively the same and resolute in his ideals and character. Honestly I'd argue the same for Thor. I know Odinson's first film is about his banishment from his home in Asgard because of his hubris, his subsequent trials and repentance on Earth, and his eventual reascension. Still I'd argue at his core Thor is the same and he had that hero within him throughout. Loki just twisted things to get what he wanted. I don't know if Norton Banner and Ruffalo Banner are the same so I'm not counting that.[/QUOTE]
Well thought out statement my friend. I agree on a few of your points.
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[QUOTE=BBeeryan;3543705]Pretty much this post. The "Killmonger was right" camp probably did think it out. He was right. He was a product of his environment. T'Challa even called him "a monster of our own making." It was the truth and logic of his words and passion of his conviction that propels the "Killmonger was right" angle. Now, that's not to say his methods can't be viewed as evil. They can. [B]They run very counter to the culture that is fostered in America. A culture that is perpetuated through Hollywood and influences the wold over. But we consider this "good."[/B][/QUOTE]
I think someone could make the argument that his methods aren't counter to American culture at all and that's the problem.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3543907][B] Firstly yes Wakanda is a tiny nation, about the size of new jersey. That being said they are the most advanced nation. This has been established already
For the second part. He didn't want to be healed so he chose Death. T'Challa killed him by stabbing him in the chest. Also yes Tchalla did kill people, remember the car chase where he ripped the guy out of the car and threw him out and the car Shuri wasn driving ran him over? That same car then crashed Into shit right after. When he ripped the tire off klaws car the driver died. In the final fight when Tchalla Spears the dragon flyer the dude dies, sane with the first dragon flyer that gets knocked out of the sky when Tchalla comes back.. let's be real here[/B][/QUOTE]
Don't agree sorry.
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Here’s an updated look at Black Panther’s performance in other territories in comparison to other MCU films. I’ve added a couple more territories (including China). All of Black Panther’s #s are as of this past Sunday, 03/18/2018. I’ve also included Iron Man 3 and Civil War numbers IF Black Panther beat them in that territory.
[b]Argentina[/b]
Homecoming: $7,033,029
Ragnarok: $6,169,643
(+1)Black Panther: $5,106,894
(-1)Guardians 2: $4,822,234
Doctor Strange: $3,460,732
[b]Austrailia[/b]
(+1)Black Panther: $27,614,110
(-1)Ragnarok: $26,997,469
Civil War: $25,200,229
Guardians 2: $24,606,483
Homecoming: $19,719,661
Doctor Strange: 15,902,123
[b]Brazil[/b]
(+2)Black Panther: $32,743,748
(-1)Homecoming: $31,896,083
(-1)Ragnarok: $30,485,847
Doctor Strange: $22,746,665
Guardians 2: $20,925,686
[b]China[/b] (new)
Homecoming: $116,280,889
Ragnarok: $112,226,154
Doctor Strange: $109,194,913
Guardians 2: $100,663,260
Black Panther: $95,979,210
[b]France[/b]
Black Panther: $28,437,667
Guardians 2: $24,809,137
Civil War: $23,219,052
Ragnarok: $21,261,686
Homecoming: $18,790,173
Doctor Strange: $15,688,092
[b]Germany[/b]
Guardians 2: $30,165,433
(+1)Black Panther: $19,212,872
(-1)Ragnarok: $19,035,119
Doctor Strange: $17,402,095
Homecoming: $11,664,461
[b]India[/b]
Ragnarok: $11,818,410
Homecoming: $11,403,714
Black Panther: $10,087,945
Doctor Strange: $5,174,482
Guardians 2: $3,428,270
[b]Italy[/b] (new)
Ragnarok: $10,369,507
Homecoming: $10,157,185
Black Panther: $8,530,716
Doctor Strange: $8,087,311
Guardians 2: $7,900,157
[b]Japan[/b]
Homecoming: $25,390,871
Doctor Strange: $16,390,905
(+2)Black Panther: $11,440,806
(-1)Ragnarok: $10,116,575
(-1)Guardians 2: $10,097,680
[b]Mexico[/b]
Homecoming: $27,069,013
Black Panther: $26,066,533
Ragnarok: $21,249,433
Guardians 2: $19,005,245
Doctor Strange: $13,587,076
[b]Netherlands[/b]
Black Panther: $8,394,938
Iron Man 3: $5,720,784
Ragnarok: $4,590,401
Civil War: $4,388,326
Guardians 2: $4,387,796
Homecoming: $4,042,454
Doctor Strange: $3,614,533
[b]Philippines[/b] (new)
Black Panther: $9,477,311
Ragnarok: $8,347,510
Homecoming: $7,523,563
Guardians 2: $6,316,923
Doctor Strange: $6,208,092
[b]Russia – CIS [/b] (new)
Guardians 2: $27,881,604
Ragnarok: $23,648,617
Doctor Strange: $22,318,675
Black Panther: $18,111,764
Homecoming: $16,341,826
Civil War: $16,557,300
[b]South Africa (Region)[/b] (new)
Black Panther: $6,480,158
Iron Man 3: $3,188,171
Ragnarok: $2,548,900
Homecoming: $2,308,622
Civil War: $2,132,347
Guardians 2: $1,545,351
Doctor Strange: $1,158,119
[b]South Korea[/b]
Homecoming: $51,515,806
Black Panther: $42,686,339
Doctor Strange: $41,325,970
Ragnarok: $35,126,494
Guardians 2: $20,921,370
[b]Thailand[/b]
Iron Man 3: $8,866,802 (included as I thought Panther had a chance at crossing this)
Black Panther: $8,540,016
Homecoming: $7,910,547
Ragnarok: $7,504,939
Guardians 2: $5,248,385
Doctor Strange: $5,029,805
[b]United Kingdom[/b]
Black Panther: $59,682,613
Iron Man 3: $57,074,453
Civil War: $53,779,860
Guardians 2: $53,060,497
Ragnarok: $40,928,752
Homecoming: $39,582,694
Doctor Strange: $28,547,412
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As of yesterday, it's at $612.1m domestically, $590.4m overseas, for a worldwide total of $1,202,503,128. It'll pass the World Wide total of Iron Man 3 ($1.214b) on Friday and should pass the Avengers domestic total ($623.4m) late Friday or early Saturday.
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In today's Justice League #41, Black Panther proxy (The Red Lion) makes short of Cyborg...
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[QUOTE=ed2962;3544747]In today's Justice League #41, Black Panther proxy (The Red Lion) makes short of Cyborg...[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]As a Black Panther should. :cool:[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=ed2962;3544747]In today's Justice League #41, Black Panther proxy (The Red Lion) makes short of Cyborg...[/QUOTE]
Black-on-Black violence is always pushed with much relish.
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[QUOTE=ed2962;3544747]In today's Justice League #41, Black Panther proxy (The Red Lion) makes short of Cyborg...[/QUOTE]
Not a DC guy, but I flipped through this on a whim because it had Red Lion on the cover and it got me curious.
Yeah, poor Cyborg got spanked. Worse beating than the one we saw with the box office numbers. Though in all fairness he doesn't seem to be 100% for whatever reason.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3544767][COLOR="#000080"]As a Black Panther should. :cool:[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
As we say on the DC board, it’s always one step forward, five steps backward with Cyborg.
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[QUOTE=BlackClaw;3544905]As we say on the DC board, it’s always one step forward, five steps backward with Cyborg.[/QUOTE]
He gets to be the leader and he's the one who comes up with the plan to save everyone last issue, but then he gets his butt handed to him in this one. But having said that, I trust Priest.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3544886]Not a DC guy, but I flipped through this on a whim because it had Red Lion on the cover and it got me curious.
Yeah, poor Cyborg got spanked. Worse beating than the one we saw with the box office numbers. Though in all fairness he doesn't seem to be 100% for whatever reason.[/QUOTE]
His systems have been corrupted by the bad guy who's been causing mischief for the last few issues.
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[QUOTE=ed2962;3545076]He gets to be the leader and he's the one who comes up with the plan to save everyone last issue, but then he gets his butt handed to him in this one. But having said that, I trust Priest.[/QUOTE]
We can look at Priests handling of T'Challa back in the day as a possible blue print. It wasn't all that uncommon for T'CHalla to seemingly get spanked pretty hard during a story, before eventually coming out on top in the end. So it wouldn't be shocking if Cyborg didn't shine at the end there. But we'll see.
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[QUOTE=goku200;3544533]Don't agree sorry.[/QUOTE]
[B] Doesn't Matter, the movie shoes otherwise[/B]