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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3775842][B]I don't know if it's as much the case now. Infact, Coates run has Been dropping quickly (not as fast as it could be but still fast that's another topic) but T this point it's marvel who is saving his butt by throwing out deals to artificially up the sales and doing a renumbering after only two seasons of writing. So marvel knows Coates name ain't selling good like it was before on BP. They are trying to keep it alive rather then getting someone else who could put in some real work like they are doing on the animation side *hint hint* on the main title [/B][/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]If they wouldn't let Redjack straight up write a solo then give him a team book with him as the lead(unlike BP&The 2 Live Crew).
Marvel had an old title called Force Works(took over for Avengers West Coast). Bring that back with a new cast and BP leading.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3774984]My only issue is the constant stream of it.
Of course, I don't follow other characters as closely, but in the last few years, we've had Coates, Gay, Brown, Narcisse, Nnedi, Covington, and Yona. None of them with any comic experience at all and it shows in their final product to various degrees.
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They are NAMES outside of comics. They are names that get your book in places where it might not reach be it stores or even certain magazines.
Before Hudlin-you couldn't find BP books in book stores. His name got those books on shelves. Coates & Gay-added to that.
Jason Reynolds same thing with Miles Morales novel. A best seller within HOURS of release and it got reviewed in magazines that are exclusive to schools only.
DC's New Superman got an extended stay thanks to his famous in writing writer.
You will probably see it with John Ridley's American Way as well.
[QUOTE]Maybe finding black writers to write Black Panther is very very difficult.[/QUOTE]
Million question is are they even listening to pitches? Or even looking? Don't forget this gig doesn't pay as much as writing for tv or novels. The excuse that is used for the still MIA Milestone books.
[QUOTE]It almost makes sense buuuuuut when a brother sees how methodical and meticulous they are with who is put on say Iron Man, Spiderman, Avengers... I don't think they are as random as they seem. [/QUOTE]
Different set of expectations. How many black writers have been a full time writer on those books? You will see the GREATEST nitpickfest by fans for every little thing done-because as we saw with McDuffie on JLA-folks don't want certain demos writing books-every if they are an EXPERT on it. You'll see with Coates America.
[QUOTE]Marvel's been going hard at having diversity with it's creative teams. While that's always a good thing, they gotta have people who know what their doing when writing comics. They also need editors to step in and correct when needed.[/QUOTE]
They also need to make sure the EDITOR knows his JOB and we don't get New 52 Static Shock 2.0.
Veteran writer over ruled by editor and artist-who had ZERO writing skills. Yet trashed Static along with Batwing, Katanna & Cyborg.
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[QUOTE=Redjack;3775684]I think there'd be an uproar if they gave ti to me. I'd make too many changes that fans who LOVE the Coates version would feel betrayed. I never think that's a good idea. I like Coates's take even though it's not what I would have done. I think whoever takes over after him needs to work with what he leaves them.
here's something fun, though.
[IMG]https://pre00.deviantart.net/1ee2/th/pre/i/2018/121/1/5/fake_marvel_cover__16_by_winterjack-dcae7tf.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
You mean like how Coates "worked with what" Hickman left behind with T'Challa and Wakanda poised on the verge of leading the rest of the Earth to the stars via the Wakandan Space Program?
What's required is a writer who actually respects the BP Mythos enough not to treat the titular character with a level of disdain and disrespect that would be characterised as being discriminatory and bigoted against people of African descent if it had been penned by a Caucasian writer.
I could really care less what fans of Coates take on the BP character is especially as he obviously neither gives a freak about the character or the readers who were fans of the Mythos prior to Coates arrival on the proverbial scene.
I do however look forward to reading/viewing your output moving forwards as you remain one of my favourite writers.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3775842][B]I don't know if it's as much the case now. Infact, Coates run has Been dropping quickly (not as fast as it could be but still fast that's another topic) but T this point it's marvel who is saving his butt by throwing out deals to artificially up the sales and doing a renumbering after only two seasons of writing. So marvel knows Coates name ain't selling good like it was before on BP. They are trying to keep it alive rather then getting someone else who could put in some real work like they are doing on the animation side *hint hint* on the main title [/B][/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, no one wants to step up to the plate with viable pitches. (Apparently)
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It's not like Marvel wastes a lot of energy on cross-volume continuity, anyway. I can think of several titles where the character's status quo changed without ANY explanation between volumes. All because the new writer had a Vision™ for the character that didn't fit continuity. Sometimes, this led to interesting stories. Sometimes... not.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3775898]Unfortunately, no one wants to step up to the plate with viable pitches. (Apparently)[/QUOTE]
Honestly, I'm not sure I blame them. Why waste your best ideas on a company that will ignore them the next time a "hot" writer wants to do an Event™?
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3775856][COLOR="#000080"]Coates had to shake things up with the relaunch. Sales continued to drop because his "humanizing" BP stories were boring as hell.
If people are buying BP for every other character except him, then the book would have continued to fail to the point of cancellation.
That's why we get the Wakandan Space empire, an idea brought up in this very thread.
What does he do? More action in 2 issues than he had in his first arc. That tells you that he either he or Marvel was listening to the criticisms.
Dialogue is still meh. The art is telling the story. We heard that one before.
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Coates actions were deliberate as regards T'Challa and Wakanda in favour of "westernizing" Wakanda after portraying Wakanda as an African nation descended into Boko Harem savagery replete with rape camps and attendant misogyny.
His (on the face of it) "excellent" writing of Storm in one what was supposed to be T'Challa solo, clearly illustrates that Coates was more than capable of writing T'Challa in character.
The fact that he chose to do so more than disqualifies him from having anything further to do with the BP Mythos sans Marvel's propping this writers selective inadequacies moving forward.
As you rightly pointed out, the very concept of a Galactic Wakanda society was broached in this very thread by some of us so it's not as if Coates came with anything original within this regard.
Funnily enough, he's still managed to frak things up in this regard.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3775905]Honestly, I'm not sure I blame them. Why waste your best ideas on a company that will ignore them the next time a "hot" writer wants to do an Event™?[/QUOTE]
As always, you speak nothing but the truth.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3775898]Unfortunately, no one wants to step up to the plate with viable pitches. (Apparently)[/QUOTE]
[B] Or atleast keep the writer who showed promise and had a knack for continuity and wrote a better BP mini then Coates and all his other Colleagues could hope to achieve, and he did it without sacrificing the mythos in favor of an agenda. Evan, with a professional co writer or consultant (seriously they had a neophytes consult a neophytes? Blind leading the blind here, but the follower had some actual sense) and an editor with chops, and I could see narcisse being an excellent BP scribe. He has so much to potential. Marvel just needs to follow through [/B]
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3775894]You mean like how Coates "worked with what" Hickman left behind with T'Challa and Wakanda poised on the verge of leading the rest of the Earth to the stars via the Wakandan Space Program?[/quote]
see? exactly that. You'd have been mad at me because that would have been FAR in the background of my version of the book.Galactic Wakandans have never appealed to me no matter who's writing them. Somebody's always going to be mad about something.
[quote]What's required is a writer who actually respects the BP Mythos enough not to treat the titular character with a level of disdain and disrespect that would be characterised as being discriminatory and bigoted against people of African descent if it had been penned by a Caucasian writer.[/quote]
Jason Aaron wrote the second best story arc in BP history to me. SEE WAKANDA AND DIE.
[quote]I could really care less what fans of Coates take on the BP character is especially as he obviously neither gives a freak about the character or the readers who were fans of the Mythos prior to Coates arrival on the proverbial scene.[/quote]
But SOME fans would be upset. It would take me probably five issues to bend things back to how I would like them. A lot of stuff would be plowed over or cut off and people would be really upset. I wouldn't mind doing a TALES OF WAKANDA run but, again, my version of the mythology and the current version don't really line up. Watch what we did with the show and get back to me.
[quote]I do however look forward to reading/viewing your output moving forwards as you remain one of my favourite writers.[/QUOTE]
I've got a couple pitches in (not BP related) but i don't expect to hear anything until after SDCC.
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[QUOTE=Redjack;3776124]see? exactly that. You'd have been mad at me because that would have been FAR in the background of my version of the book.Galactic Wakandans have never appealed to me no matter who's writing them. Somebody's always going to be mad about something.[/quote]
[B]I think there might be some confusion here Redjack. What made fans so mad is that Hickman ended his series with Wakanda on a positive note, then Coates came in and not only ignored it, but then went to say Wakanda in utter chaos with no explanation as to how it happened, and his story had so many holes in it that fans were left with this jarring story that seemed to just sort of start right in the middle of it, but not in a Good way, but more so in a "Wait what? There's a huge chunk missing here" sort of way. Followed by the fact that he then retconned Wakanda to being a place that supposedly had gender inequality and misogyny and the very offensive Rape treehouses, and that's why People were upset.
The story itself was so full of holes that world of Wakanda tried to address the issue and actually made it worse.
He didn't have to follow up with Wakanda in space but Wakanda back at status quo atleast.[/B]
[Quote]Jason Aaron wrote the second best story arc in BP history to me. SEE WAKANDA AND DIE.
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[B]Yes and he also wrote that God awful fall out between Tchalla and Storm. JA is a tricky one. He can write a badass Tchalla when he wants to (SWaD and original sin) but then he can really whiff too[/B]
[Quote]But SOME fans would be upset. It would take me probably five issues to bend things back to how I would like them. A lot of stuff would be plowed over or cut off and people would be really upset. I wouldn't mind doing a TALES OF WAKANDA run but, again, my version of the mythology and the current version don't really line up. Watch what we did with the show and get back to me.
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[B] Again thats not necessarily a problem as alot of things he added can stand to be taken out (atleast half of the stuff from S1&2 does Tchalla and Wakanda Zero favors) and if it's addressed in a well written way it's okay. What's worse is when it's just forced in to push a specific narrative with no regard on how it will affect the mythos and then it's just brushed aside like it never happened (see Coates having Tchalla meet with known despots "just to see what they would say" about how to quell a rebellion, then is surprised when one of them leaks biased information, the point of which Even casual readers went wtf over)
So somethings need to be addressed and that's okay we would still like to see it as we know you can write a mean Tchalla[B][/B][/B]
[QUOTE] I've got a couple pitches in (not BP related) but i don't expect to hear anything until after SDCC.[/QUOTE]
[B]I look forward to whatever your wanting to do[/B]
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Redjack let me help you out with a sudden change of story arc...
Dallas the tv show...
Bobby Ewing dies and then this... :cool:
[video=youtube;nCEjeTb1rrs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCEjeTb1rrs[/video]
So all you have to do is have T'challa take a shower...
Nakia wakes from her slumber to hear water running in her shower.
She cautiously investigates... I mean like it could be Killmonger returning from the grave on some freaky ish so in Wakanda you are always prepared for whatever whenever.
Grabbing her vibranium ring blades off the top shelf next to the coco butter scented perfume T'challa gave her for her last birthday she draws back the curtain...
King T'challa: "I'm sorry the plumbing in my quarters was inoperable due to all that overuse of Warriors Falls so I hope you don't mind me getting my scrub on in your bathroom... Pass the soap please or get in here and help me get behind the ears your king has spoken... One last Wardog mission for the road!"
(Like uhm... Splish splash fade to black and whatnot) ;)
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[QUOTE=Redjack;3775684]I think there'd be an uproar if they gave ti to me. I'd make too many changes that fans who LOVE the Coates version would feel betrayed. I never think that's a good idea. I like Coates's take even though it's not what I would have done. I think whoever takes over after him needs to work with what he leaves them.
here's something fun, though.
[IMG]https://pre00.deviantart.net/1ee2/th/pre/i/2018/121/1/5/fake_marvel_cover__16_by_winterjack-dcae7tf.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
thank you for your honest opinion. I certainly agree with this point 100% goddess speed.
oan: ru writing that?? please tell me ur
nvm its deviant art:(
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[QUOTE=Redjack;3776124]see? exactly that. You'd have been mad at me because that would have been FAR in the background of my version of the book.Galactic Wakandans have never appealed to me no matter who's writing them. [b]Somebody's always going to be mad about something.[/b]
Jason Aaron wrote the second best story arc in BP history to me. SEE WAKANDA AND DIE.
But SOME fans would be upset. It would take me probably five issues to bend things back to how I would like them. A lot of stuff would be plowed over or cut off and people would be really upset. I wouldn't mind doing a TALES OF WAKANDA run but, again, my version of the mythology and the current version don't really line up. Watch what we did with the show and get back to me.
I've got a couple pitches in (not BP related) but i don't expect to hear anything until after SDCC.[/QUOTE]
you are preaching today my friend and this needs to be said. you can't make everyone happy and it's great to see a marvel writer supporting his colleague. thank you for bringing objectivity into this thread (^_^)
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3775630][COLOR="#000080"]It's not BP himself but how he has been used over the years that was the problem then. T'Challa was written with that Noble Negro Syndrome for years prior to Priest.
You can't blame him for not liking [I]that[/I] BP. None of us liked him.
And if he were being asked to write more of that, I wouldn't want to write him either.
Lucky for BP and us that it didn't turn out to be the case.
Too bad Coates is undoing all of that hard work Priest and Hudlin did to build BPs rep back up.
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And this is the very thing most praisers of Coates take on the BP mythos remain resolutely blind to.
The wholesale reversal of all of the progress superior writers such as Priest, Hudlin, McDuffie, Liss and Hickman put into T'Challa's forward progression and character development.
And all for what?
The elevation of a wholly post Hudlin irrelevant side character who serves as nothing as a mill stone around the BP mythos collective neck.
A character who to date, has been totally sidelined in her own franchise only to stink up the place in the BP mythos just because Coates feels like it.
I pray that one day, someone does to Storm what Coates has unleashed upon T'challa and the entire BP mythos and just clean knocks her metaphorical faux "goddess" head off all Valkyrie style.
Real talk.