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[QUOTE=phumgano;3515164]I've stopped reading the main title 6-7 issues ago so I have a few questions.
Who does T'challa answer to these days?[/quote]
There's essentially a Constitutional convention going on without a final decision yet. In the meantime, there appears to be some kind of interim government that, based on Christopher Priest's issue in the Annual, T'Challa does answer to. However, he still acts as protector of Wakanda and has significant autonomy.
[quote] Why's he still in Wakanda if he doesn't want to be and the people don't want him there? [/quote]
Because he does want to be there and the people, generally speaking, do want him there (even if they don't want autocratic rule).
[quote]Has his relationship with Ororo been defined?(I just think it's weird how she's still going around kissing people while he's expected to be loyal to her).[/QUOTE]
Not really, no. They seem to be exploring the possibility of a committed relationship, but they aren't in one.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3515335]That's not quite what Breevort actually said. In fact both Breevort and Hickman himself were pretty confused about whether or not the time or the reality gem was used.
All Breevort really said was that everything that happened in Hickmans run still happened.[/QUOTE]
[B] Yeah they explained after the fact and said the FF saved everyone even though it actually looks like the FF are recreating the multiverse and Tchalla saves 616[/B]
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[QUOTE=XPac;3515451]Will it translate to comic book sales? Probably not, at least in the short term. Movies thus far haven't pushed the needle all that much.
But in the least this will ensure that a BP comic will always be on the shelves. Even if the sales are so-so, there's really no risk at this point of the character ever going away. Comic sales are almost irrelavent at this point since it's already a billion dollor IP anyways.[/QUOTE]
Good point and agreed.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3515451]Will it translate to comic book sales? Probably not, at least in the short term. Movies thus far haven't pushed the needle all that much.
But in the least this will ensure that a BP comic will always be on the shelves. Even if the sales are so-so, there's really no risk at this point of the character ever going away. Comic sales are almost irrelavent at this point since it's already a billion dollor IP anyways.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, seriously.
At this point, they really ought to have the movies fund the comics as a means of testing potential plots and whatnot.
Just .01% of the movie's profit could probably fund a Panther comic itself for the next 15 years, easily.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3515451]Will it translate to comic book sales? Probably not, at least in the short term. Movies thus far haven't pushed the needle all that much.
But in the least this will ensure that a BP comic will always be on the shelves. Even if the sales are so-so, there's really no risk at this point of the character ever going away. Comic sales are almost irrelavent at this point since it's already a billion dollor IP anyways.[/QUOTE]
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Wisely said as always
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3514316]Because we remember where Hickman's T'Challa led, Wakanda ravaged, Namor somehow written as T'Challa's equal in ruling/cunning, etc.
Hickman's saving grace, really, was that T'Challa, when all was said and done, was a moron surrounded by morons, all trying to out stupid the other.[/QUOTE]
We don't always agree, but this post of yours, is a work of art.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3514352]It might almost be fairer to argue Namor was written more as Shuri equal as a ruler than T'Challa since technically Shuri was in charge.[/QUOTE]
Yes, Shuri was most definitely in charge which is why Wakanda actually followed things through to their logical reason by decimating Atlantis for initiating an unprovoked genocidal attack on Wakanda..
By contrast, Hickman had T'Challa making empty threats to the smirking Namor in the Necropolis.
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[QUOTE=4sake Baned;3514653]The central prob with JHick BP imo that simply put he was never going to prioritize BP in long haul over his other favs (Doom, Reed & Namor) regardless if the story called for it or not logically. Now he'd put him over Steve O, Tony boy & etc. But not the characters he loves more..
He wrote BP in character half of time & out of character the other half & used his plot as excuse... ( BP wasn't the only one he did this to but this a BP thread so yeah)
He gave keys moments to his Tru favs ( Reed & Doom) that should went to BP.. Such as Reed leading/making the plans wen the Avengers battle the NA - that wasn't a big wtf & Reed interrogating Black Swan in one those early issues.. Doom randomly figuring out what to do because of reasons & Doom truely killing Namor..
Mix that end with JHick lazyness ( off panal fights, off panel wars, last min powers, a repetitive arc of alternative universe Illuminatis dieing just to say hey readers if we would brought that other characters into the loop nothing would change lol) Then saying ok next let some of those characters on to the team only to have those new member all taken out either in the issue they joined in or that issue right after..
Like most writers J.Hick had a hierarchy of who's was important to him..
Doom
Reed
BP
Strange
Namor
Then pretty much everything else..
All he truly had to do was prioritize BP/Wakanda at The logical moments but you couldn't even do that times because of his love of Doom & Reed..[/QUOTE]
Agreed 100%
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So I'm at the gym talking Black Panther with one of son's friends and someone else who frequently plays basketball and the argument went to...
Black Panther versus The Dark Knight!
Of course I handled my case quite easily but as time goes on this argument might come up again and again so let's do a little comparison shall we!
Both movies did over a billion dollars but The Dark Knight was a sequel to Batman Begins which set everything up with an origin story while Black Panther followed after an ensemble Captain America Civil War movie... Edge Black Panther!
"Let's put a smile on that face" versus "Hey Auntie" has two worthy villains that carried the movie with one winning an Oscar and the other winning the hearts of black militants worldwide... Edge Black Panther!
The movie soundtrack featured the legendary Hans Zimmer for Batman and Ludwig Goransson for Black Panther with a tag team mix of Kendrick Lamar... Edge Hans Zimmer!
The leading lady of Batman was a blown to pieces Rachel Dawes while Black Panther had tech genius sister Shuri, spear wielding General Okoye and super spy Nakia helping to save the day... Edge Black Panther!
These tech heavy movies had Lucius Fox assisting Batman while Black Panther had his very own sister watching his back... Edge Black Panther!
Vacation timeshare in Gotham City would scare people away while Wakanda would make National Geographic's Top 10 places to visit easily... Edge Black Panther!
Hitchhiking in the Batmobile "Tumbler" would be oh so cool but being airlifted in a mind driven Royal Talon Fighter and disappearing like the Predator... Edge Black Panther!
The "teamsters" style meeting in The Dark Knight was very revealing as a coming out party for the Joker who made a pencil disappear but when Killmonger showed up for the Wakandan family reunion it shook the very foundation of Wakanda's entire belief system... Edge Black Panther!
The movie going experience whether it be Imax or 3D can be one big WOW and although The Dark Knight did the revenue numbers it did not have literal tribal dance offs, African costume cosplay or celebrities buying out theaters for random strangers to see... Edge Black Panther!
The big boss battle in The Dark Knight was the Joker kicking Batman while dogs attacked him where as in Black Panther the hero and the villain had a back and forth very very personal feud element to it unmatched in cinematic history... Edge Black Panther!
The heroes portrayed by Christian Bale and Chadwick Boseman did their duties as leading men vastly overshadowed by their leading villains but it is clear that Bale wears the pants/spandex in the house and never gets outshined by the leading ladies even in the sequel to Catwoman and Talia al Ghul... Edge Batman!
The overall tone of the movies gives the viewer a crime ridden Gotham City that never sleeps but when "This never gets old" spaceship soars through the friendly skies of Wakanda you have even the mighty Watcher himself at HELLO... Edge Black Panther!
Black Panther All Day Every Day!!!
Thanks for playing... :cool:
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3515627]Yes, Shuri was most definitely in charge which is why Wakanda actually followed things through to their logical reason by decimating Atlantis for initiating an unprovoked genocidal attack on Wakanda..
By contrast, Hickman had T'Challa making empty threats to the smirking Namor in the Necropolis.[/QUOTE]
[B]This was the most annoying part too because Namor literally did nothing after Tchalla tried to kill him. He added nothing to the plot other then being there to crack jokes/troll Tchalla, then he gets killed by Doom. Strange could of literally went with Tchalla and had the same results [/B]
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;3515339]
Nobody care who came first. NOBODY except entitlement fans.
Maybe the REAL honor would be the FF appearing first in say Black Panther 3 with their rocket ship being built by Wakanda.[/QUOTE]
Without the Fantastic Four and Stan Lee & Jack Kirby, you wouldn't even have a Black Panther or a Marvel Universe. If you don't recognize that you're not giving props to the two guys who started it all. I can still be glad that BP is such a success but I can still have my first love of comics with the Fantastic Four. My Dad bought the issue w BP's debut years ago from the spinner rack and my brother still has that copy. So let's not be petty and dis the FF when you wouldn't have BP without them.
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It's crazy surreal that a year ago no one outside of comics knew who Okoye, M'Baku, W'Kabi, Shuri or Killmonger were. Now their names are all over social media. Insane.
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[QUOTE=Lord Morph;3516007]It's crazy surreal that a year ago no one outside of comics knew who Okoye, M'Baku, W'Kabi, Shuri or Killmonger were. Now their names are all over social media. Insane.[/QUOTE]
Meanwhile only Shuri and Killmonger are present in the comics right now. I would say Nakia but that was only for the annual.
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[QUOTE=Iron Maiden;3515920]Without the Fantastic Four and Stan Lee & Jack Kirby, you wouldn't even have a Black Panther or a Marvel Universe. If you don't recognize that you're not giving props to the two guys who started it all. I can still be glad that BP is such a success but I can still have my first love of comics with the Fantastic Four. My Dad bought the issue w BP's debut years ago from the spinner rack and my brother still has that copy. So let's not be petty and dis the FF when you wouldn't have BP without them.[/QUOTE]
I don't care much for the FF (always found them kinda cheesy/old), but I respect and value their contributions to the MU, including the introduction of Wakanda. It'd be great to see them interact with T'Challa and the rest of the royals, or even introduced in a possible sequel. It'd be a poignant depiction of how the Black Panther mythos has developed into its own powerhouse franchise and provide a much needed boost for the Fantastic Four IP going forward so they can reclaim their position as "Marvel's First Family".
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[QUOTE=4sake Baned;3515203]Lol so because others have been inept then JHick should get a past for being slightly less inept, Naw I'm good on that but if that fine with u cool .[/QUOTE]
I don't even think Hickman was inept.
He (like so many other writers) was just more invested in writing his fave characters Reed/Doom fully in character whilst writing T'Challa (at least after the first few issues of New Avengers) as a complete and utter liar, traitor and straight up milquetoast joke.