[QUOTE=Cville;3110804]Cancelled after issue 2 due to low sales.[/QUOTE]
bummer. I thought it had real potential to do some different things.
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[QUOTE=Cville;3110804]Cancelled after issue 2 due to low sales.[/QUOTE]
bummer. I thought it had real potential to do some different things.
[QUOTE=pageturner;3110829]bummer. I thought it had real potential to do some different things.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it was something different. Unfortunately different usually doesn't translate into sales.
[QUOTE=pageturner;3110829]bummer. I thought it had real potential to do some different things.[/QUOTE]
Only valuable thing from that comic was showing Edens' powers can be turned into a fighting style.
"Truth Red White and Black" it was not. lol
[QUOTE=XPac;3110832]Yeah, it was something different. Unfortunately different usually doesn't translate into sales.[/QUOTE]
yup and something different always turns my head unfortunately there is usually not a lot of others with me.
[QUOTE=XPac;3110707]Yeah, but the point of it was that Wakanda was in danger. Steve HAS to get to get the cube fragment to advance the story, and that places the while world, Wakanda included in danger. Steve HAS to win this round of the story.[/QUOTE]
[B]Yes and you can give of the illusion that he "won" that round while still making Wakanda look formidable and Tchalla as an Uber planner. Your thinking much too small[/B]
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3111003][B]Yes and you can give of the illusion that he "won" that round while still making Wakanda look formidable and Tchalla as an Uber planner. Your thinking much too small[/B][/QUOTE]
Again, the point isn't whether or not they can give the Illusion Steve won or not because Steve HAD to win this round to advance the story. Sometimes villains DO need to win a round or two in a story. Villains can't fail 100% of the time. They need to have some credibility too. In this case by having Wakanda beat Hydra 2 out of 3, everyone had a chance to shone while the story got where it needed to go.
In this instance I think you're thinking too small by only prioritizing how Wakanda looks. It's a consideration but not the only one that matters.
[QUOTE=pageturner;3110849]yup and something different always turns my head unfortunately there is usually not a lot of others with me.[/QUOTE]
[B]It was a poorly Thought out niche book that tried to retcon several Black Characters to Harlem, despite the fact that it contradicted Coates own Solo, and was tied around a Mary Sue Character that was magically tied to all of them and inspired over half the team to be a hero essentially and was able to contact the king of a isolated African nation and formed the very first black superhero team... That (surprise surprise) eventually turned into a group of thug's basically.
In the BP Solo the crew had a shitty showing struggling against Z list Villains and in the crew they got an even worse showing being outsmarted by Hydra.. plus more contradictions to the BP solo and the fact that the title was trying to use bps popularity to boost sales and the book itself showed Coates bias and lack of disinterest in Tchalla by making him the only one in his "focus" Issue not only not looking badass, but took it a step further by having him thirsty for Storm, say he wad afraid when using the gauntlet, and being scolded by some old lady. While everyone else in the story got to look cool, Tchalla looked weak. So yes there were many reasons for why the story was going to fail and why many people saw through the bullshit.
It was just more of Coates deconstructing the bp mythos and predictably when it failed, people jumped to Oh Tchalla just isn't popular enough to have multiple ongoings" taking the brunt of Coates and gays failings and suffering for it[/B]
[QUOTE=XPac;3111010]Again, the point isn't whether or not they can give the Illusion Steve won or not because Steve HAD to win this round to advance the story. Sometimes villains DO need to win a round or two in a story. Villains can't fail 100% of the time. They need to have some credibility too. In this case by having Wakanda beat Hydra 2 out of 3, everyone had a chance to shone while the story got where it needed to go.
In this instance I think you're thinking too small by only prioritizing how Wakanda looks. It's a consideration but not the only one that matters.[/QUOTE]
[B] Except Steve had already Been shown winning the entire time. The Avengers hideout was destroyed, he was ahead of the scouting team grabbing the fragments, and he was clearly winning, so showing Wakanda (on panel)
leading the charge for the resisting Hydra Cap and showing the rest of the World and Avengers hadn't Given up yet, would of still advanced the story. That is a very weak excuse. [/B]
While we're back on Secret Empire, did anybody think looking for cube fragments was a shout out to the anime Inuyasha?
If Spencer had gone with the idea of a special forces team to steal the shard while the WK army fought Hydra.
Who from Caps side would you put on a team for the mission to succeed?(Black Panther and Shuri are on the front lines so they cant interfere)
[QUOTE=Cville;3110366]I think the opposite. These were the best crossovers since Dark Reign.[/QUOTE]
Opinions gonna be different I have these events on Fear Itself level, where as Infinity and Secret Wars are higher up there
[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3110740][COLOR="#000000"]Wakanda was threatened with war. It held one of the key components of the event. Wakandans were under mind control and T'Challa was captured and brought to America as a prisoner. These were major plot points happening to BP and Wakanda outside the solo and yet Coates couldn't acknowledge what was happening.
The world was being taken over by a fascist and Wakanda was a target. Maybe Coates should have sent the Midnight Angels to take down Steve.
[B]"No One Man"[/B] and all that.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
How much of that now happened, didn't Kobik undo a lot of stuff?
I think they should have a Black Panther Sectet Empire mini but BP wasn't the only book that didn't that crossover.
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3111039][B] Except Steve had already Been shown winning the entire time. The Avengers hideout was destroyed, he was ahead of the scouting team grabbing the fragments, and he was clearly winning, so showing Wakanda (on panel)
leading the charge for the resisting Hydra Cap and showing the rest of the World and Avengers hadn't Given up yet, would of still advanced the story. That is a very weak excuse. [/B][/QUOTE]
Steve failed to invade Wakanda two times in a row prior to him finally suceedind, with T'Challa verbally puking him in front of the whole UN in the process.
And Steve needed all the fragments to advance the story ... that was end game. Steve had to beat them eventually. The fact that Steve lost two out of three occasions still gives Wakanda it's props while giving Hydra the win it needed at this point in the story.
[QUOTE=Cville;3110804]Cancelled after issue 2 due to low sales.[/QUOTE]
Looking at these sales charts and what BP & The Crew outsold that's still kicking I think Marvel dropped that axe too quick. But then again I don't know all the cost associated with the book. Still think it would have been better as GN out the gate
[QUOTE=C_haos;3111070]How much of that now happened, didn't Kobik undo a lot of stuff?
I think they should have a Black Panther Sectet Empire mini but BP wasn't the only book that didn't that crossover.[/QUOTE]
All of it happened. Kobik didn't undo things until the very end.
Now the problem becomes Wakanda under attack again by a foreign nation. T'Challa get's blamed again? What will be the response from this new gov't. Nothing.