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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2583975][B]Or better yet he starred in a big event that didn't put him in the Tony or Carol side (CW I & II) for fans and had some good showings. Like a cosmic threat appears and like he said in Hickmans run, that Wakanda would drag the rest of the world to the Stars, he follows through on that [/B][/QUOTE]
This is true. Like how Steve is about to headline this upcoming big event, if BP were given the keys to the MU for a big event, that would do wonders. I just don't have a down in the dumps thinking of BP like he's not a special character on the verge. I'm skeptical about those around him (creative, writers, editorial, general wolves in sheeps clothing, etc) but the character and concept itself is [I]right there[/I] on the verge. It just needs someone who actually believes in him (T'Challa) to throw the alley oop.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2583947]Ehhhhhh, I dunno about that. Call me a skeptic on this one.
By all accounts, the sales should've dropped by #3 due to everything we've discussed before. Instead they dropped at #8, when the book finally started to get better writing and pacing.
[B]This whole run has been widely unpredictable, especially when sales are concerned. The more I try to understand it, the bigger the headache I get lol[/B].[/QUOTE]
The sales have made zero sense.
The most logical conclusion to draw is "people stopped caring" after the crew or shuri issue... which just seems so bizarre people would jump ship before the final trade.
To start where it did (discounting issue 1 because that was an anomoly) and end up below where STrange, X23 and company were is a tad bit concerning.
To an extent anyway. with that MCU protection, sales arne't a huge deal for the core book anyway.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2582843][SIZE=3]
After David Walkers underwhelming Nighthawk run, I wouldn't want him anywhere near the BP mythos.
He'd have T'Challa rocking Adidas sneakers and a Kangol hat in less time than it takes to strike a B-Boy pose.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
Would that really be the worst thing to happen to him right now?
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2583947]Ehhhhhh, I dunno about that. Call me a skeptic on this one.
By all accounts, the sales should've dropped by #3 due to everything we've discussed before. Instead they dropped at #8, when the book finally started to get better writing and pacing.
This whole run has been widely unpredictable, especially when sales are concerned. The more I try to understand it, the bigger the headache I get lol.[/QUOTE]
The core fanbase ain't that large a percentage of sales.
The concerns of the general audience probably differs.
Maybe heads (especially new readers to comics who aren't used to Comics dragging stuff out) expected an end to the
story by around issue 8.
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[QUOTE=Agent Z;2584041]Would that really be the worst thing to happen to him right now?[/QUOTE]
Lesser of two evils compared to right now? lol
Damn
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[QUOTE=Rumble;2584022]This is true. Like how Steve is about to headline this upcoming big event, if BP were given the keys to the MU for a big event, that would do wonders. I just don't have a down in the dumps thinking of BP like he's not a special character on the verge. I'm skeptical about those around him (creative, writers, editorial, general wolves in sheeps clothing, etc) but the character and concept itself is [I]right there[/I] on the verge. It just needs someone who actually believes in him (T'Challa) to throw the alley oop.[/QUOTE]
[B]Exactly. He needs a Hickman(He really went all out for Reed and Doom), Priest, or Hudlin or a Mcduffie (RIP) to come in and take the reigns. hell Beware of Geek Mentioned a few pages back
[URL="http://mshindo9.deviantart.com/"]Mshindo I. Kuumba[/URL] or [URL="http://www.spin.com/2017/01/marlon-jamess-new-books-will-be-a-game-of-thrones-inspired-african-fantasy-trilogy/"]Marlon James[/URL]
Let them take a spin. I mean look at that art man its on point, could you imagine Wakanda looking that Dope? T'Challa is right there on the verge, he needs a team that can and will elevate him and care about Making Wakanda and T'Challa look great[/B]
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;2584078]The core fanbase ain't that large a percentage of sales.
The concerns of the general audience probably differs.
Maybe heads (especially new readers to comics who aren't used to Comics dragging stuff out) expected an end to the
story by around issue 8.[/QUOTE]
Maybe so. My suspicion is that the (super) slow burn approach Coates employed in this run somewhat backfired sales wise at the time of #8. Not sure why else it took that long for sales to drop.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;2584032]The sales have made zero sense.
The most logical conclusion to draw is "people stopped caring" after the crew or shuri issue... which just seems so bizarre people would jump ship before the final trade.
To start where it did (discounting issue 1 because that was an anomoly) and end up below where STrange, X23 and company were is a tad bit concerning.
To an extent anyway. with that MCU protection, sales arne't a huge deal for the core book anyway.[/QUOTE]
That the book is selling what it currently is isn't too surprising. I was expecting such sales to happen much earlier.
What surprised me was that the drop happened much later than anticipated. I was convinced sales would drop at #3 or #4. The opposite happened instead.
Very curious on how season 2 will fare on that front.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2584102]Maybe so. My suspicion is that the (super) slow burn approach Coates employed in this run somewhat backfired sales wise at the time of #8. Not sure why else it took that long for sales to drop.[/QUOTE]
Frankly, Coates is no worse than Bendis or Hickman in this area (or even Remainder).
But if you are new to comics (and I assume Coates' name brought a lot of new to comics readers on board), you might reasonably expect
that after buying two trades worth of material that you would have a complete story.
Which did not happen here.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2583995][B]They dropped due to underwhelming appearance of the crew followed by more build up with no action and alot of monologue. One of the biggest complaints from casuals have been Tchalla doesn't do anything, and that the book is boring and slow due to no action and too much build up without payouts. So when your getting to the "Climax" of a long story arc and it's still trudging along, people start losing interest. Honestly, this should of been a 10 issue log story rather then 12, that would of cleared up two whole issues to move the story further and not drag like it it did[/B][/QUOTE]
B-b-but we have to give him time to tell his story! Wait until the end of "Season 2"!
I mean "Season 3"?
"Season 4"?
Um, until he finishes his grand epic after 5 years?
(That's how it works, right? Keep cutting a poor writer slack on the off chance he magically gains talent? ;) )
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[QUOTE=Rumble;2584022]This is true. Like how Steve is about to headline this upcoming big event, if BP were given the keys to the MU for a big event, that would do wonders. [/QUOTE]
And it wouldn't be THAT hard.
Look at Stum Und Drang or enemy of the State II. Or even taking Hudilns "Wakanda needs to oppose Stark" during Civil War its its natural conclusion.
Both of those could have easily been marvel universe expanding events if they wanted to.
it wouldn't be hard to think of something int hat same vein
(except he ain't king no mo so.... lol )
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;2584116]Frankly, Coates is no worse than Bendis or Hickman in this area (or even Remainder).
But if you are new to comics (and I assume Coates' name brought a lot of new to comics readers on board), you might reasonably expect
that after buying two trades worth of material that you would have a complete story.
Which did not happen here.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps season 2 should be a bit shorter then? Ten issues instead of twelve?
This could result in Coates writing a tighter story and season 2 concluding in February, the same month the solo film comes out. The trade of part one of season 2 (five issues instead of four) should be out by then too.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;2584116]Frankly, Coates is no worse than Bendis or Hickman in this area (or even Remainder).
But if you are new to comics (and I assume Coates' name brought a lot of new to comics readers on board), you might reasonably expect
that after buying two trades worth of material that you would have a complete story.
Which did not happen here.[/QUOTE]
I think if you have a classic storyline under your belt, you can get away with doing stuff more long form.
You can wait out Bendis in hopes of getting another Alias or Daredevil. Wait out Hickman's Avengers hoping for another F4.
Or if you are good enough at it that there are at least mini arcs. Remender's Uncanny Xforce is essentially 35 issues long... but it had multple small, action packed arcs that were beginnings and ends in there. Aarons God Butcher arc is 11 issues and tooka year to tell... but each issue was exciting as hell weaving in 3 different timelines of Thor while introducing a new villain. HIckman does the same but not as well (IMO of course).
One issue with Coates (for me) is the unknown. Is he good enough to wrap this baby up in 1-2 more issues? Or is #11 going to simply feel like every other issue? You can' spend a year building a story up and then not end on a BANG.
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[QUOTE=Realdealholy;2584131]Perhaps season 2 should be a bit shorter then? Ten issues instead of twelve?
This could result in Coates writing a tighter story and season 2 concluding in February, the same month the solo film comes out. The trade of part one of season 2 (five issues instead of four) should be out by then too.[/QUOTE]
He needs to learn to build natural mini arcs inside his mega arc.
A year to tell ONE story is a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong ass time.
There should be some sort of beginning, middle, end per trade IMO. The Client told us the beginning (T'challa in the states because of a Murder) and middle (figures out the murderer but oh shit, Mephisto!) and end (punk Mephisto)... while still teasing the larger story (Achebe in Wakanda).
Coates could have done something like the first 6 issues being "the hunt for Shuri" culminating in her return with the last 6 issues 100% focusing on Tetu. You can still weave in aspects of the revolutino in the first 6 issues but they are more in the background because T'challa is so focused on Shuri instead.
Oh Coates trades should be 6 issues, not 4 which is pretty much bullshit lol
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;2584120]B-b-but we have to give him time to tell his story! Wait until the end of "Season 2"!
I mean "Season 3"?
"Season 4"?
Um, until he finishes his grand epic after 5 years?
(That's how it works, right? Keep cutting a poor writer slack on the off chance he magically gains talent? ;) )[/QUOTE]
[B]And at the end "Oh the reason folks didn't like it was because it was too Deep and complex for them to handle, This is for intellectuals not those who just want mindless punching" Because thats what would happen lol.
but since there is a S2 maybe it would do Coates good to break S2 into 2 separate stories spanning issue 1-6 and the second story spanning 7-12 wrap this sh*t up faster so ts not this trudging bore fest where T'Challa loses the entire time then eeks out a hollow victory in the end[/B]