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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2913392][B]It's a bleak picture because, Though his run is a commercial success, many will find that the Real in continuity Tchalla (steps ahead, calculating badass Super genius, superhuman, greatest poker face Tchalla) is shown everywhere in the MU except for his book. Coates is so far off the mark that it is painfully obvious he has no respect for the character and Does not champion a competent Tchalla. Hence Why all of his Best showings (h2h, super genius, prep, Uber tech, dope ass lines) have occurred outside his book. When a fan has to look to guest appearances and a Team book that treats the main characters as guests in order to see cool feats you know there is a problem[/B][/QUOTE]
The readers who don't see this as being a problem obviously believe otherwise.
To them, Coates milquetoast T'Challa is much more "relatable" and "humanised" which says a lot more about how some feel about the BP mythos than they'd like to admit.
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[QUOTE=MouserGrey;2915582]As you said^^. If a new writer came onto X-men making Storm all insecure and lacking feats with T'Challa showing up with Ororo all apologetic and BP fans crashing and applauding....what then?[/QUOTE]
This is one of the reasons why I personally want Coates and Storm gone from any further BP related books.
The level of blatant hypocrisy is beyond nauseating.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;2915700]u do realize this was the issue many storm fans had with hudlin right?[/QUOTE]
You mean all of the so-called Storm "fans" who never even bothered to read Hudlin's BP run firsthand but still found the time to froth out the mouth online?
Hudlin had Ororo relevant outside of the X-verse for the first time in her published history and he fleshed out her background history a great deal by having the paternal side of her family introduced via the BP solo at the time. (Something that no X-writers ever bothered to do in the past.)
How many of those "fans" who claimed that the BP mythos derailed Ororo, sat back and allowed her Greg Pak scribed solo book to crash and burn in spectacular fashion?
At the end of the day, the proof is in the pudding as evidenced by the forward moving trajectory (or lack thereof) for each character.
T'Challa doesn't need the dual mill stone of the X-men leaning Coates or Storm hanging around his neck and dragging him down any further than has already been the case.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2915808]He IS bringing back characters... just not dead ones (except Shuri). We're seeing plenty of returning faces in Coates book, like Queen Divine Justice and Kasper. Characters that other writers since Priest have flat out ignored, and we're seeing them in addition to the new characters Coates is adding to the mythos. He's frankly doing the world building the franchise needed in the wake of all the completely unecessary deaths the franchise has suffered from in the last decade or so.[/QUOTE]
None of which counters the original point Ezyo1000 made as regards T'Challa's usage (or lack thereof) of the the power he held in his hand to create a reality were all that had been lost prior, was restored.
Changamire and the rest of the wack characters Coates is forcibly pushing via the BP book are mediocre in the extreme and are fully indicative of the writers total lack of imagination.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2915934]The readers who don't see this as being a problem obviously believe otherwise.
To them, Coates milquetoast T'Challa is much more "relatable" and "humanised" which says a lot more about how some feel about the BP mythos than they'd like to admit.[/QUOTE]
Every time someone tries to defend Coates' run with those arguments I literally feel like tearing my hair out. Priest and Hudlin had human moments for T'Challa while still portraying him as a boss.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2915942]You mean all of the so-called Storm "fans" who never even bothered to read Hudlin's BP run firsthand but still found the time to froth out the mouth online?
Hudlin had Ororo relevant outside of the X-verse for the first time in her published history and he fleshed out her background history a great deal by having the paternal side of her family introduced via the BP solo at the time. (Something that no X-writers ever bothered to do in the past.)
How many of those "fans" who claimed that the BP mythos derailed Ororo, sat back and allowed her Greg Pak scribed solo book to crash and burn in spectacular fashion?
At the end of the day, the proof is in the pudding as evidenced by the forward moving trajectory (or lack thereof) for each character.
T'Challa doesn't need the dual mill stone of the X-men leaning Coates or Storm hanging around his neck and dragging him down any further than has already been the case.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure about Kyss, but I bought every issue of Hudlin's run. There were things I wished he'd have done differently, but overall I quite enjoyed it. I especially love what he's done with her character seeing what she was reduced to later. She has both her paternal grandmother and grandfather. She found out her father had a sister who died, but she had a son. So Storm has a little cousin we found out about. She was privy to serious discussions as a head of state, had diplomatic immunity and dual citizenship. All thanks to Hudlin. Storm's cancelation was rough on me. Don't be mean! And although I don't believe T'Challa is being weighed down by Storm and their relationship, I do understand the impulse of his Uber fans to label it as such.
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[QUOTE=BBeeryan;2915970]I'm not sure about Kyss, but I bought every issue of Hudlin's run. There were things I wished he'd have done differently, but overall I quite enjoyed it. I especially love what he's done with her character seeing what she was reduced to later. She has both her paternal grandmother and grandfather. She found out her father had a sister who died, but she had a son. So Storm has a little cousin we found out about. She was privy to serious discussions as a head of state, had diplomatic immunity and dual citizenship. All thanks to Hudlin. Storm's cancelation was rough on me. Don't be mean! And although I don't believe T'Challa is being weighed down by Storm and their relationship, I do understand the impulse of his Uber fans to label it as such.[/QUOTE]
Alongside Butterflykyss, you're literally one of the coolest posters who visits this thread on occasion. :cool:
Hudlin did a lot of great things with Ororo's character during his BP run which makes all the negative stuff that was written post Hudlin's departure all the more insulting.
I'm a dedicated BP mythos enthusiast so it goes without saying that I'm always aler for shade thrown in said mythos direction. :)
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[QUOTE=Cville;2915292]The three students died way before the final incursion and they made it back.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for posting fact as opposed to made up justifications.
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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;2915844][video=youtube_share;ztVMib1T4T4]https://youtu.be/ztVMib1T4T4[/video][/QUOTE]
Yup, dead serious.
If you dump someone then decide you want them back you had better be prepared to apologize. Otherwise it's probably not gonna happen. That's just how it works. It's not like Storm was just sitting around waiting for him to change his mind... she had already started dating other people.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;2915849]right and exactly I'm not sure what the issue is when u look at it like this.
In terms of specific reasons you would need to ask those who felt that way but i think some fans felt she was not being written in character and her voicing was off. add to this storm and bp meeting initially was retconned to have her have preteen sex and be a damsel in distress where tchalla saved her instead of her saving him. all in all the point i was making was to state what you mentioned already occurred with storm when she married tchalla based upon some perception.[/QUOTE]
Though I do think overall Storm was handled pretty well in the marriage until AvX, I would agree that retcon of Storm and Black Panthers first meeting was abolutely horrible for a variety of reasons.
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In other Black Panther related news . Jay-z's Album 4:44! Dope! But all that apologizing is gon have the haters saying Coates Ghost wrote it. ;)
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[QUOTE=XPac;2916076]Yup, dead serious.
If you dump someone then decide you want them back you had better be prepared to apologize. Otherwise it's probably not gonna happen. That's just how it works. It's not like Storm was just sitting around waiting for him to change his mind... she had already started dating other people.[/QUOTE]
Even though T'Challa actually had good reasons to break it off?
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2915934]The readers who don't see this as being a problem obviously believe otherwise.
To them, Coates milquetoast T'Challa is much more "relatable" and "humanised" which says a lot more about how some feel about the BP mythos than they'd like to admit.[/QUOTE]
I think it might get better this coming arc because we're getting into the epic stuff and dealing with gods now. Unlike last arc I'm expecting some decent combat/strategy/intelligence feats because the stakes are much higher. That said, while I disagree with T'Challa being made to not want the throne, I think his grappling with kingly power and his upcoming questioning of faith are making him human.
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[QUOTE=Agent Z;2916108]Even though T'Challa actually had good reasons to break it off?[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying he didn't have reason to break it off. I'm saying if he breaks it off THEN decides it's a mistake and wants her back he probably had better be prepared to apologize yeah. Because again, Storm isn't just sitting around waiting for him to change his mind. She's already dating other people. If he wants her back, he's gonna have to win her back and apologizing for ending it in the first place is likely the only way that's gonna happen.
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[QUOTE=XPac;2916120]I'm not saying he didn't have reason to break it off. I'm saying if he breaks it off THEN decides it's a mistake and wants her back he probably had better be prepared to apologize yeah. Because again, Storm isn't just sitting around waiting for him to change his mind. She's already dating other people. If he wants her back, he's gonna have to win her back and apologizing for ending it in the first place is likely the only way that's gonna happen.[/QUOTE]
Didn't she kiss Gambit in the X-Men book recently lol