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[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3608055]Which will set up Storm being granted the title of Black Panther.[/QUOTE]
You know, i wouldn't be surprised if that actually happened.
- T'challa is stuck in space
- Wakanda has no black panther
- Shuri refuses the role as she is the Griot
- Wakanda needs a Black Panther
- Storm, the Wind Rider, Goddess of Wakanda, protector of Wakanda steps up to fill the void.
- Storm solo is actually... Storm: The Black Panther
[QUOTE=XPac;3607226]If you look up the word mythos, you will see no aspect of the definition having anything whatsoever to do with whether or not a particular comic book writer has full control of the character or not.
Storm is a major part of BP's mythology. She is his ex wife, ex queen, and presently the love of his wife who he presently is in a relationship with. The moment they were married, she became a major aspect of the charaacters life and Wakandan history regardless of the outcome or what degree of control the writer had over the character. Storm being a significant aspect of T'Challa's mythology is a statement of fact.
If Eden or Thunderball had married T'Challa I'd say the same about them. But they haven't... so the get the guest label for the moment.[/QUOTE]
Please say this again. BP tells Ramonda in issue #16 that Storm is forever tied to those lands. It's canon.
#T'Challawasright
[QUOTE=Cville;3607871]Because we know the relationship is BS and doomed to failure. We're wasting years of comic writing when we could have an original BP universe love interest to marry and have children with. When Coates is done it could be another four to five years before another solo opportunity. Gotta get stuff established now. Lol.[/QUOTE]
Agree to disagree. The relationship is still in full swing. The final page of the last issue hammers this point home. Done deal.
[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3607879]They now have the people of Wakanda praising Storm as a ####ing goddess. This was stupid as hell. I don't have an issue with Storm being a big gun, but the narrative choice has been made to reframe Wakanda's history to make they-themselves "colonizers", strip Wakanda of it's system of government to bring it more inline with Coates ideas of western style rule, destroy/sideline the Wakandan Pantheon, and now have the people of Wakanda praying to someone who not only isn't their Queen but has no tie to Wakandan blood or soil.
Plus for all this talk of T'challa masterminding this... show don't tell. As written this was thrown together, and tied up with a bow that makes no narrative sense. That end sequence that's supposed to serve as an "a-ha!" moment is totally unearned.
This run is by FAR the worst thing that's been done to Black Panther. I get that Storm fans like seeing her get propped up, but it was at the expense of totally stripmining the title character of the book.
I really don't think I've ever hated a comic book run as much as I dislike Avengers of the New World. I was meh on Nation Under Our Feet, but I loathed this story.[/QUOTE]
I don't subscribe to the "colonizer" bull. I cringed at the thought until I read the issue for myself. I think people need to be real with themselves. Humans were NOT the first species on the planet. We have caused the the upheaval and extermination of multiple other species. With idea of Wakanda bein thousands of thousands of years old, they were bound to encounter some species that predate humans. Although, the creatures in question are humanoid in nature, they are NOT humans with a clearly defined culture. They were presented as ancient being at odds with the vastly improving world around it. It makes absolute sense that Wakandan land was settled by other inhabitants before humans (Wakandans) came along. So I do get that Coates introduced rape camps and some other cringe worthy aspects of Wakanda that don't paint is as the Utopia that it should be, but c'mon. This idea to try and paint Wakanda as colonizers of primitive, mystic, humanoid creatures and the point to make the correlation to the colonization of America is disingenuous. And it highlights a true lack of understanding that informs racism (white supremacy). I'm not here for it.
[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3607902]Is this before X-Men red? Thank the goddess that someone is around to stop Cassandra Nova from attacking Wakan.....doooohshit.[/QUOTE]
The ending of this story and the beginning of X-men Red do lend themselves to one another. I agree and I've been saying this in the Storm threads for almost two weeks now.
[QUOTE=Amenra11;3607955]Because shes storm? What does that mean specificly?
The power house is whoever the writer wants it to be.
deus ex machina was rare in Hudlins run, by contrast Thunderball defeated Claw last issue, Strom saved the day two issues ago, and BP didnt even show up the issue before that.[/QUOTE]
T'Challa has had everyone dancing to his beat since around issue #15. I'll have to double check but he Dora's clearly call him on his manipulative ways. That was the first hint. Could it have been better? Yes. Could we been given a better showing of BP having everyone dancing to his tune? Yes. It doesn't change the fact that the story has the characters tell us they feel manipulated by BP. It's there.
[QUOTE=XPac;3607958]Honestly Wakandans had been praising Storm as a goddess for a good long while. It's sort of her thing. Hell, they even referred to Monica as a goddess.[/QUOTE]
You and I both know this. But don't let that get in the way of people ignoring clear narrative beats from prior writers that Coates takes and runs with.
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3607966][B]Thing is, Monicas use wasn't "All of Wakanda bow before the presence of Monica, she is the only one who can save us" no, she had her use, but Tchalla was the one actually making **** happen. Not standing around barking orders so supporting cast can have rumble feats. The proper use of storm could of been her and Shuri fighting adversary together to buy time for Tchalla, they get Their nice little feat, then Tchalla comes in with the big feat and the knock out blow. Remember this is T'Challas book. It's not a team book, it's not a Black panther & Storm book, it's not a pseudo x book/storm solo (even though that's what Coates is doing) it's a series about Black panther. He should be getting all the big feats[/B][/QUOTE]
I cannot disagree with this post. I just happen to believe that BP being played up as a master manipulator and uber strategist is nothing to sneeze at. I love a BP that moves all the pieces on the board as he sees fit.
[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3607970]The #### they have. They barely tolerated her until Coates rubbed his ass all over the floor.[/QUOTE]
That's not true. What story can you reference where ALL of Wakandan turned on her? I can't remember a single one.
[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3608011]Maybe they can just retitle Coates' run Storm in the future, similar to what they did for Black Panther: Deadliest of the Species.
And then have the next series with T'challa walking out of the shower talking about what a crazy dream he had, then have the story pick up with the three Wakadan explorerers venturing off into space from the end of Secret Wars.[/QUOTE]
Lol I know you were being sarcastic, but I wouldn't be totally against this. Good one, my friend.
[QUOTE=Pulp Fiction;3608046]He got the storm solo. He really didn't need to do this in the main BP book. It's really bizarre that a whole year was dedicated to this. With the lack of development in this issue, the adversary popping up in the last page of the previous issue just seems funny to me. It's so random.
Maybe T'Challa will get a year long arc in season 2 of the storm book.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Things Fall Apart;3608055]Which will set up Storm being granted the title of Black Panther.[/QUOTE]
Lmao all y'all da **** petty and I love y'all for it! I could never leave you guys alone.I have too much with y'all.
You know, Zenzi is the one that should have been captured at the end of Season 2. Not like she did one damn thing this whole season.
We should have found out Tetu got his power from the Adversary. Cut the whole QDJ thing out completely considering it was a waste of time.
It would have streamlined the plot while also properly building things up each season. You know, real breadcrumbs not imaginary fake ones.
Also could have gotten a more proper fight against Tetu. Tetu vs T'challa, Storm vs Adversary.
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3607986][B]Wrong again.
Having control over the character means they are apart of that franchise, if a writer uses a character and has then in a dedicated relationship with another Character in the same franchise, another writer in a different book can't have them going off and hooking up with some other character as if they are single. That's why storm will never be apart of the franchise, until x office actually acknowledges **** happening, she will be a guest start who bow has taken a big feat from the title characters franchise she is visiting.
THE problem is she is not apart of the franchise and is taking panel space and development from the actual supporting cast. Don't try to act like everyone is cool with it[/B][/QUOTE]
I'm not acting like everyone is cool with it. I'm acting like those who aren't are simply going to have to live it. She is a part of Wakandan history and a part of his life. That's just the way it is.
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[QUOTE=Cville;3607751]So would you say that Storm could have been replaced with Forge in this story? I've never read the Adversary arcs.[/QUOTE]
In this story? No, because this arc seems designed to boost Storm's profile, and Forge simply doesn't have the fanbase. But I think the Adversary could have been replaced with Belasco, Dormammu, or Nightmare without much difficulty. He's a prop, nothing more.
[QUOTE=BBeeryan;3607845]This makes a lot of sense. You clearly put a lot of thought into this. I can follow your logic flawlessly.[/quote]
Actually, I pretty much rattled the whole thing off in one sitting. 40 years of reading this stuff makes it easy. ;)
[QUOTE] Only problem being? In your third paragraph, you're doing just as much speculation as I am.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. It's a theory, nothing more.
[QUOTE]Yet, you still have not offered up sound reasoning for why T'Challa clearly states for all of us to read that the Adversary knows Storm.[/QUOTE]
Well, he knows her because they battled for quite some time back in the day, and he had her imprisoned for a while.
[QUOTE]And he KNOWS she's the real power or threat. This issue was crafted in such a way as to make her THE deciding factor in this battle. With this in my mind, you now have to make logical arguments for why Storm is so integral to the Adversary's demise and why he attacks her specifically and repeatedly.[/QUOTE]
Not having the issue on hand, I had to (ahem) acquire scans, and yes, I will admit that T'Challa says the Adversary sees her as the main threat. But there's nothing in the one-panel offhand comment that says she's his main threat of all time, just that she's the main threat in this particular conflict. If I were to theorize, I would suggest that the Adversary, as a being of magic, is able to sense the mystical potential she has always had (part of her bloodline from Ayesha & Ashake), and realizes that she's a bigger threat than Zawari (who, admittedly, is a bit of a loser). But I will contradict one statement of yours. Until now, the Adversary has NEVER attacked Storm directly, unless it was in relationship to his attacks on Forge. Not once.
As for why he's attacking her repeatedly in this issue... well, she keeps getting in his way, just like Shuri. ;)
[QUOTE]WHAT IS YOUR THEORY ON THE CONNECTIONS BETWEEN FORGE, BP, WAKANDA AND THE ADVERSARY AS THEY RELATE TO STORM AND THE STORY COATES HAS CRAFTED?[/QUOTE]
Oh, that's easy. There isn't one. The fact that Storm was involved in the first storyline was pure coincidence, and her involvement in this battle is due to T'Challa bringing her in. I'd have to ask Claremont himself (and I have no easy way to do so, so I can't) whether her mystical heritage was meant to be involved in that storyline, but I could certainly see T'Challa using it as a factor in his plans. Certainly, her ability to channel both magickal and electromagnetic energy made her a perfect candidate for a ritual focus.
TL;DR . The fact that Forge is not involved in this story at any level suggests to me that his existence is not particularly relevant to the story Coates crafted. Ororo's sorcerous heritage, OTOH, _is_.
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That is really cool. Beautiful art.
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3608174]In this story? No, because this arc seems designed to boost Storm's profile, and Forge simply doesn't have the fanbase. But I think the Adversary could have been replaced with Belasco, Dormammu, or Nightmare without much difficulty. He's a prop, nothing more.
Actually, I pretty much rattled the whole thing off in one sitting. 40 years of reading this stuff makes it easy. ;)
Absolutely. It's a theory, nothing more.
Well, he knows her because they battled for quite some time back in the day, and he had her imprisoned for a while.
Not having the issue on hand, I had to (ahem) acquire scans, and yes, I will admit that T'Challa says the Adversary sees her as the main threat. But there's nothing in the one-panel offhand comment that says she's his main threat of all time, just that she's the main threat in this particular conflict. If I were to theorize, I would suggest that the Adversary, as a being of magic, is able to sense the mystical potential she has always had (part of her bloodline from Ayesha & Ashake), and realizes that she's a bigger threat than Zawari (who, admittedly, is a bit of a loser). But I will contradict one statement of yours. Until now, the Adversary has NEVER attacked Storm directly, unless it was in relationship to his attacks on Forge. Not once.
As for why he's attacking her repeatedly in this issue... well, she keeps getting in his way, just like Shuri. ;)
Oh, that's easy. There isn't one. The fact that Storm was involved in the first storyline was pure coincidence, and her involvement in this battle is due to T'Challa bringing her in. I'd have to ask Claremont himself (and I have no easy way to do so, so I can't) whether her mystical heritage was meant to be involved in that storyline, but I could certainly see T'Challa using it as a factor in his plans. Certainly, her ability to channel both magickal and electromagnetic energy made her a perfect candidate for a ritual focus.
TL;DR . The fact that Forge is not involved in this story at any level suggests to me that his existence is not particularly relevant to the story Coates crafted. Ororo's sorcerous heritage, OTOH, _is_.[/QUOTE]
Well, I'm glad as two thoughtfull and thinking black males (I'm assuming on your part) that we can agree to disagree. Your theory does absolutely nothing to make sense of why BP says the things he's says, Adversary does the things he does, Storm makes the moves she makes or any of that. You're ignoring her importance to the original and the one that just dropped. I'm piecing this story together with the nuggets that Coates left us with. The implications of his story are clear. You're just ignoring them. And you're doing it under the guise that his story "never made sense." I disagree. Especially considering, once again, BP flat out tells us what we need to know. But just like the words he spoke in issue #13 on up until now, most you don't like it, because you can't get past the implications and what they mean for BP and his mythos. There's a very long list of things BP has been saying all year that you guys ignore wholeheartedly. Part of me thinks it's because those things BP'S been saying fall very much in line with what fans of their union have been saying for quite a while. I don't wanna give myself too much credit tho.
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[QUOTE=BBeeryan;3608102]Please say this again. BP tells Ramonda in issue #16 that Storm is forever tied to those lands. It's canon.
#T'Challawasright
Agree to disagree. The relationship is still in full swing. The final page of the last issue hammers this point home. Done deal.
paint Wakanda as colonizers of primitive, mystic, humanoid creatures and the point to make the correlation to the colonization of America is disingenuous. And it highlights a true lack of understanding that informs racism (white supremacy). I'm not here for it.
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I would've thought the marriage was a done deal. Their status is lovers? "She's got to have it" taught me people can have multiple lovers at the same time. Lol
How is it disingenuous when the main villain has Native American comic origins? He and the originators dress similar to how natives are dipicted. Wakandans came to their land and put them on a literal reservation and built their civilization on top of it.
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3608174]In this story? No, because this arc seems designed to boost Storm's profile, and Forge simply doesn't have the fanbase. But I think the Adversary could have been replaced with Belasco, Dormammu, or Nightmare without much difficulty. He's a prop, nothing more.
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What I mean is could Forge and the WK shamans team up to concentrate magical energy to seal up the Adversary?
How did everyone in the country know to pray at the same time? Shouldn't there have been a national broadcast on the network to put your faith in Ororo? Or would that have been to ridiculous?
Hey guys, what comic is this from? I need the source for the blog. Can't have pictures without sources. That is the worst. You gotta have evidence to back up your theories otherwise it's just crap.
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