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I came up with a theory, a while back, that the White Tiger God and the Panther God(dess) are aspects of the same deity. But it was just wild speculation.
(My objection to the whole Egyptian thing is because the Heliopolitans lack a sense of majesty. You should see what they did to Hathor)
[QUOTE=XPac;3747261]Saying the gods of Wakanda were the Egyptian gods is a retcons. We have seen the Panther and Lion gods of Wakanda, and they were nothing like the Egyptian counter parts.
That said, I get why Priest did it. It connects the Wakandan mythology a bit more with the rest of the MU.[/QUOTE]
[B]They were nameless, gilis run it was simply the panther god. Even so that makes more sense then Coates completely changing it and leaving it a mess for no good reason[/B]
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3747293]I came up with a theory, a while back, that the White Tiger God and the Panther God(dess) are aspects of the same deity. But it was just wild speculation.
(My objection to the whole Egyptian thing is because the Heliopolitans lack a sense of majesty. You should see what they did to Hathor)[/QUOTE]
[B] Ewing said in an interview that Bast and the tiger god might be cousins[/B]
[QUOTE=Mantis Dad;3747268][I]Not all nations across the world think of, or worship the same gods in the same way. I think, they could have been Egyptian gods all along.[/I][/QUOTE]
It was jarring though. Lion got went from this
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COurse, gods are shape shifters and we've seen Loki as a female and child. But still... retconning them to become Egyptian gods was not quite the perfect fit. It worked OKAY... but certain things were a bit weird.
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3747339][B] Ewing said in an interview that Bast and the tiger god might be cousins[/B][/QUOTE]
That may be what inspired my idea, yeah.
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3747334][B]They were nameless, gilis run it was simply the panther god. Even so that makes more sense then Coates completely changing it and leaving it a mess for no good reason[/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, they were nameless. Weird that they didn't know Basts name until recent years. After worshiping past for a couple centrues you'd think they'd get around to asking what her name was. It's not like the judeo Christian god... Bast actually did have a name.
But that's how retcons are sometimes. Even good ones rarely if ever are a perfect fit. Honestly I was never sure it was necessary to retcon them into being the Egyptian gods... though again I can see the upsides of doing so, as it does tie them more closely with the rest of the MU.
[QUOTE=MouserGrey;3747275]Maybe Coates (chokes) is working towards abandoning Bast and bringing back just the panther god.......cue the Nanor laugh[/QUOTE]
That might actually be the easiest way to reconcile all of it.
Egytpian gods have a history of impersonating other gods. Seth in particular was known for impersonating the Elder God Set. It's possible Bast for whatever reason might have decided to impersonate the Panther god for the same reason. Snaking someone elses followers to create more of a powerbase for herself as worship for the Egyptian gods has obviously declined.
No evidence of this at all... just playing around with the theory.
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3747293]I came up with a theory, a while back, that the White Tiger God and the Panther God(dess) are aspects of the same deity. But it was just wild speculation.
(My objection to the whole Egyptian thing is because the Heliopolitans lack a sense of majesty. You should see what they did to Hathor)[/QUOTE]
Playing around with someone elses theory that perhaps Coates is trying to separate Bast from the Panther God... maybe the Tiger God might be the true Panther god that we saw in Gillis run, and Bast just sort of snuck in the back door and impersonated the Panther God. Or maybe they have a working relationship where she can sort of play the role.
It's a stretch though.
Since we're talking about African gods today, has anyone read Spider-Man Fairy Tales #2 from '07? It was a good read about Anansi. One those stories for kids to teach a moral lesson. Written by C.B..
[QUOTE=Cville;3747373]Since we're talking about African gods today, has anyone read Spider-Man Fairy Tales #2 from '07? It was a good read about Anansi. One those stories for kids to teach a moral lesson. Written by C.B..[/QUOTE]
No, but I did read his two-issue guest appearance in HERC #7 & 8.
[QUOTE=XPac;3747347]Yeah, they were nameless. Weird that they didn't know Basts name until recent years. After worshiping past for a couple centrues you'd think they'd get around to asking what her name was. It's not like the judeo Christian god... Bast actually did have a name.
But that's how retcons are sometimes. Even good ones rarely if ever are a perfect fit. Honestly I was never sure it was necessary to retcon them into being the Egyptian gods... though again I can see the upsides of doing so, as it does tie them more closely with the rest of the MU.[/QUOTE]
[B]I feel your taking it too literal, they would obviously know their gods name. Whenever there is something that happens you literally take thing's as though the character are actually aware of the 4th wall or something. [/B]
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3747534][B]I feel your taking it too literal, they would obviously know their gods name. Whenever there is something that happens you literally take thing's as though the character are actually aware of the 4th wall or something. [/B][/QUOTE]
Just pointing out the issue of a nameless god that is later retconned to having a name. The Panther God wasn't originally supposed to be Bast … making it into a completely different being after the fact can create those sort of issues. Again, retcons rarely if ever are a perfect fit. It's what happens when you decide to swap gods or create siblings out of thin air or decide one day that a nation was suddenly advanced for decades.
And of course, Coates retcons with the Wakandan gods will have the same problems. You're layering retcons on top of retcons. It unfortunately gets pretty messy after awhile. But that's just a part of comics I guess.
[QUOTE=XPac;3747544]Just pointing out the issue of a nameless god that is later retconned to having a name. The Panther God wasn't originally supposed to be Bast … making it into a completely different being after the fact can create those sort of issues. Again, retcons rarely if ever are a perfect fit. It's what happens when you decide to swap gods or create siblings out of thin air or decide one day that a nation was suddenly advanced for decades.
And of course, Coates retcons with the Wakandan gods will have the same problems. You're layering retcons on top of retcons. It unfortunately gets pretty messy after awhile. But that's just a part of comics I guess.[/QUOTE]
[B]The difference between bast becoming the panther god, Tchalla having a sibling, or Wakanda being advanced is that those changes for the most part make sense and fit well enough. All of those changes also happened in origin stories as well rather then our of the blue.
Changing it to where Bast was among the first Wakandans among other gods that appeared out of nowhere and aren't even if the gods mentioned in Wakanda such as the gorilla god, then making them vanish for Reasons, then changing it so that they came to be from faith, all so that they who will not be named can get a power boost from a franchise that is not their own is messy, and made worse that is was done is such a half-assed way[/B]
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The problem with having a literal god in comics defeats the purpose of also having an actual living breathing super hero in comics!
The hero itself plays god once he, she or it gets to saving people... This was covered in the recent Superman (Man of Steel) movies as people began to worship him and build monuments to his namesake!
Thor is technically a Norse god but once he starts dating Jane Foster he's that dude that happens to be super powered with the hot scientist girlfriend!
Bast basically qualifies as an absentee god that serves no real purpose especially when Thanos comes to town and turns his representative to ashes!
What do you do with Bast or any other form of cat god that throws no punches or bothers to defend his own people in times of trouble!
Religion sometimes spoils the idea/ideal of escapism when the reason you bought a comic book, played a video game or watched a movie was to mentally cosplay as the hero you focused on!
If there was a bat god wouldn't that ruin the very point of a Batman stalking Gotham City? Either you fear god or the Bat pick one!
Bast could disappear or never be mentioned again and Black Panther in a technologically advanced unconquered nation inside of Africa would still make that money regardless!
Bast is one of those moving parts that really serves no significant purpose knowing that you can chill with Odin have Galactus show up and fully expect Odin to lead the charge in defense of life without praying first or lighting incense candles!
If you are a god in comics you have to get involved in the fight very often just as other high powered beings or you have no reason to exist at least on panel!
Bast: "A little help... Could someone please change my kitty litter!"
King T'challa: "WTF do you do around here? In the movie you showed us the heart shaped herb and then disappeared, in comics you sided with Doom in Doomwar and yeah you helped me out against Mephisto but that's beside the point... What do you really do on panel or off? Are you scared of Galactus, the Celestials or the Beyonder? What exactly are your god power specs?"
Bast: "Why you bringing up old ish just pet me and let me out the back door I'll be back in a few days so have my milk ready when I return!"
King T'challa: "I am thoroughly convinced that the reason 1.3 billion dollars worth of fans showed out to see my movie was not because of you in any way whatsoever! If the movie featured someone finding the heart shaped herb by accident it would have made no difference once they flashback to Oakland!"
Bast: "Yeah, but you know black folks love them some mysticism... You need me!"
King T'challa: "And yet my comic sales are the most sporadic and inconsistent of any character because we have way too many moving parts and you are one of them! Most comic book super hero baseball cards rarely list that character's god let alone their religion! We could make up some type of cat powers origins and still get the black vote by default!"
Bast: "Quit tripping and stroke my back for me!"
King T'challa: "Where is The Point Man this is getting old you seem to be real problem for writers to depict time and time again!"
[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;3747593]The problem with having a literal god in comics defeats the purpose of also having an actual living breathing super hero in comics!
The hero itself plays god once he, she or it gets to saving people... This was covered in the recent Superman (Man of Steel) movies as people began to worship him and build monuments to his namesake!
Thor is technically a Norse god but once he starts dating Jane Foster he's that dude that happens to be super powered with the hot scientist girlfriend!
Bast basically qualifies as an absentee god that serves no real purpose especially when Thanos comes to town and turns his representative to ashes!
What do you do with Bast or any other form of cat god that throws no punches or bothers to defend his own people in times of trouble!
Religion sometimes spoils the idea/ideal of escapism when the reason you bought a comic book, played a video game or watched a movie was to mentally cosplay as the hero you focused on!
If there was a bat god wouldn't that ruin the very point of a Batman stalking Gotham City? Either you fear god or the Bat pick one!
Bast could disappear or never be mentioned again and Black Panther in a technologically advanced unconquered nation inside of Africa would still make that money regardless!
Bast is one of those moving parts that really serves no significant purpose knowing that you can chill with Odin have Galactus show up and fully expect Odin to lead the charge in defense of life without praying first or lighting incense candles!
If you are a god in comics you have to get involved in the fight very often just as other high powered beings or you have no reason to exist at least on panel!
Bast: "A little help... Could someone please change my kitty litter!"
King T'challa: "WTF do you do around here? In the movie you showed us the heart shaped herb and then disappeared, in comics you sided with Doom in Doomwar and yeah you helped me out against Mephisto but that's beside the point... What do you really do on panel or off? Are you scared of Galactus, the Celestials or the Beyonder? What exactly are your god power specs?"
Bast: "Why you bringing up old ish just pet me and let me out the back door I'll be back in a few days so have my milk ready when I return!"
King T'challa: "I am thoroughly convinced that the reason 1.3 billion dollars worth of fans showed out to see my movie was not because of you in any way whatsoever! If the movie featured someone finding the heart shaped herb by accident it would have made no difference once they flashback to Oakland!"
Bast: "Yeah, but you know black folks love them some mysticism... You need me!"
King T'challa: "And yet my comic sales are the most sporadic and inconsistent of any character because we have way too many moving parts and you are one of them! Most comic book super hero baseball cards rarely list that character's god let alone their religion! We could make up some type of cat powers origins and still get the black vote by default!"
Bast: "Quit tripping and stroke my back for me!"
King T'challa: "Where is The Point Man this is getting old you seem to be real problem for writers to depict time and time again!"[/QUOTE]
[B]So what your saying is that bast should act like TPG in gilis run In Which if need be, she can take on a Avatar and wreck shit if she doesn't like how things are going? I thought that was always a cool aspect how Tchalla literally fought and defeated his god in Avatar form from gilis run, as well as having his own sinister 6 like Team with the supremacists group that he got to out hands all over[/B]
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;3745527]Okay this one's for butterflykiss... :cool:
Wakanda, the throne room.
The elders gather with concerned looks on their faces murmuring with shocked looks.
Nakia enters to a muted sound that only a pin dropping could echo to...
Nakia: "My lord you wished to speak to me."
King T'challa: "The elders requested this meeting take a seat please."
Just then Ororo Munroe aka Storm emerges from behind a curtain and hands the king a Kimoyo bead that digitally blinks to life and reveals a twerking Nakia.
The elders gasp and then focus their attention upon the red faced... Well actually more purple since she is dark complexioned Nakia who is caught off guard by the revelation.
Storm standing just behind King T'challa sends a mocking grin at her "Adversary" (AHEM) with that "I gotchoo b!tch" stare.
King T'challa: "Explain!"
Nakia: "It was a Wardog mission... I was infiltrating a show hosted by LL Cool J to gain some valuable intel for Wakanda!"
King T'challa: "LL Cool J?"
Nakia: "It means Ladies Love Cool James... I swear it was all for Wakanda you gotta believe me!"
Storm leans over and whispers something into King T'challa's ear, looks up and winks at Nakia causing her a fit of fluster at the audacity.
Nakia: "Why is she here... She is an outsider she is not one of us."
King T'challa: "I sent Storm, a personal friend of mine, on a Wardog mission to spy on you beloved!"
Nakia: "What kind of convoluted BOOLSHET is this?"
Storm grabs the bottom of her lip revealing a Wardog tattoo just below her pearly whites.
Nakia: "OH HELL TO THE NAW... I saved you and your family from Killmonger and this is the thanks that I get! This place is a mad house I tell you a mad house! Spy's everywhere!"
King T'challa: "This is a disgrace and your Lip Syncing sucked at that... You are not fit to be queen of Wakanda!"
As rage flows through the king of Wakanda Storm begins to rub his shoulders ever so gently soothing his anger.
Nakia: "And she is?"
King T'challa: "Storm has put in valuable work for Wakanda she will make a great queen... And since you always wanted to work outside of Wakanda so badly I hereby banish you from inside the borders of Wakanda!"
As security escorts a disgruntled Nakia bordering on malice out of the throne room Storm squeezes the hand of King T'challa and with a lightning twitch in her eyes boldly proclaims...
Storm: "Bye Felica!"
That's all you get butterflykiss enjoy... :)[/QUOTE]
lmfao lololololol this was hilarious thanks for this my friend I needed the laugh.
The problem with Bast is like if you showed up at church, prayed and then went to the parking lot and got jumped by an outlaw biker gang of cyber ninjas and Jesus himself showed up and served them dudes a whipping... So why did you spend all that time in MMA class or concealing that light saber in your Blade Son of Shaft leather coat!
And speaking of Jesus does Bast believe in turning the right cheek or loving thy neighbor... What exactly is Bast's biblical standard as a god because Thor drinks alcohol and does have sex out of wedlock!
Does Bast pray to the east as Muslims do... Is he Kosher and does not approve of pork in Wakanda... Gay marriage... Age of consent for sex... Heaven or hell... A real living devil doing dastardly deeds???
Captain America is often depicted as a white Christian male so does he ever try to convert T'challa and what does Bast think of this!
Tony Stark is depicted as more atheist if he met Bast personally does he become a believer if he witnesses this god doing really not much more than most intergalactic super powered beings!
If Tom Cruise hit T'challa up on Scientology is Bast allowing that or what?
Bast is something that a cartoon like Southpark would have a field day with... It's time to get her definitive baseball card stats in order and make some choices about what she does and what she stands for and why!
Real religions have too many moving parts for most super hero comic books unless it was in fact a religious comic to begin with and that is a whole other thread entirely!
Loki: "We have a Hulk!"
T'challa: "We have a Bast!"
Bast: "MEOW and stuff!"
Loki: "T'challa let's just me and you fight and give these people the show that they paid for in the first place... Wait, is your god licking itself!"
Bast: "Just giving myself a bath over here and then we fighting!"
Having Coates writing a Black Panther solo is equivalent to having g an X-writer on this book.
Pure bumbaclat confusion.
On a serious note, how on earth do Marvel Editorial justify having this obvious BP hater churning out this misaligned garbage month after month especially in the wake of the Black Panther movies overwhelming global success at the box office?
Real talk.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3747745]Having Coates writing a Black Panther solo is equivalent to having g an X-writer on this book.
Pure bumbaclat confusion.
On a serious note, how on earth do Marvel Editorial justify having this obvious BP hater churning out this misaligned garbage month after month especially in the wake of the Black Panther movies overwhelming global success at the box office?
Real talk.[/QUOTE]
Oh, that's easy. The books sell (enough), especially with the appropriate gimmicks, incentives, and occasional flat-out cheating. And they get to row to the press that they have someone famous, intellectual, and socially-relevant on the book.
It's incredibly short-sighted, and shows a remarkable lack of ability to discern what their audience actually WANTS, but then again, Marvel has been like that for over a decade now. You've seen my rant on Doctor Strange, I believe.
Honestly, I don't have a problem with having a deity as a supporting character. I've seen it done before (for example, in those runs on Moon Knight when he isn't depicted as crazy) and there are ways to handle it that don't make the protagonist look weak. But it's not _easy_, and quite honestly I don't think Coates is skilled enough to pull it off.
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This looks like a lot of fun. Has a neat Star Wars vibe to it. And the art is pretty awesome.
Interesting that it mentions the new champion showed up 2 years ago. So I think it's safe to assume this story isn't operating concurrently with the rest of the MU's timeline. Assuming this is the real T'Challa I think some sort of time travel will be necessary to ensure that he returns the exact moment he left or whatever.
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3747794]Honestly, I don't have a problem with having a deity as a supporting character. I've seen it done before (for example, in those runs on Moon Knight when he isn't depicted as crazy) and there are ways to handle it that don't make the protagonist look weak. But it's not _easy_, and quite honestly I don't think Coates is skilled enough to pull it off.[/QUOTE]
Bast is pretty easy, because you can usually pretty much ignore her. T'Challa for the most part doesn't need her, and she mostly doesn't seem all that interested in actively getting involved except in a few rare occasions. You can throw her in there for "ceremonial" purposes, or if you wanna do a story involving Egyptian gods once in a blue moon. But otherwise, Bast is pretty much a non factor.
I think it actually helps with the Egyptian gods keeping their mystique, as opposed to a lot of their Greek and Norse counter parts. BP and MK's gods actually act like gods, rather than drunken guys you'll see in a bar on a Friday night after work.
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3747794]Honestly, I don't have a problem with having a deity as a supporting character. I've seen it done before (for example, in those runs on Moon Knight when he isn't depicted as crazy) and there are ways to handle it that don't make the protagonist look weak. But it's not _easy_, and quite honestly I don't think Coates is skilled enough to pull it off.[/QUOTE]
[B]Coates isn't skilled enough to make the supporting cast and out of franchise Characters behave how they should. Bast have mercy if he tried to get bast actually in here[/B]
[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;3747693]The problem with Bast is like if you showed up at church, prayed and then went to the parking lot and got jumped by an outlaw biker gang of cyber ninjas and Jesus himself showed up and served them dudes a whipping... So why did you spend all that time in MMA class or concealing that light saber in your Blade Son of Shaft leather coat!
And speaking of Jesus does Bast believe in turning the right cheek or loving thy neighbor... What exactly is Bast's biblical standard as a god because Thor drinks alcohol and does have sex out of wedlock!
Does Bast pray to the east as Muslims do... Is he Kosher and does not approve of pork in Wakanda... Gay marriage... Age of consent for sex... Heaven or hell... A real living devil doing dastardly deeds???
Captain America is often depicted as a white Christian male so does he ever try to convert T'challa and what does Bast think of this!
Tony Stark is depicted as more atheist if he met Bast personally does he become a believer if he witnesses this god doing really not much more than most intergalactic super powered beings!
If Tom Cruise hit T'challa up on Scientology is Bast allowing that or what?
Bast is something that a cartoon like Southpark would have a field day with... It's time to get her definitive baseball card stats in order and make some choices about what she does and what she stands for and why!
Real religions have too many moving parts for most super hero comic books unless it was in fact a religious comic to begin with and that is a whole other thread entirely!
Loki: "We have a Hulk!"
T'challa: "We have a Bast!"
Bast: "MEOW and stuff!"
Loki: "T'challa let's just me and you fight and give these people the show that they paid for in the first place... Wait, is your god licking itself!"
Bast: "Just giving myself a bath over here and then we fighting!"[/QUOTE]
Moon Knight has Khonshu.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3747745]Having Coates writing a Black Panther solo is equivalent to having g an X-writer on this book.
Pure bumbaclat confusion.
On a serious note, how on earth do Marvel Editorial justify having this obvious BP hater churning out this misaligned garbage month after month especially in the wake of the Black Panther movies overwhelming global success at the box office?
Real talk.[/QUOTE]
Go figure, hell Coates was named dropped in Luke Cage season two. You do get the feeling that the Coates train is rollin more due to his social/cultural relevance as a writer than prose or love for writing about Black Panther. It's sad but it seems that fans of T'challa/ Black Panther in written form are the mercy of this agenda based garbage. To each their own but i think we are seeing very substandard treatment for T'challa.
[QUOTE=XPac;3747839]This looks like a lot of fun. Has a neat Star Wars vibe to it. And the art is pretty awesome.
Interesting that it mentions the new champion showed up 2 years ago. So I think it's safe to assume this story isn't operating concurrently with the rest of the MU's timeline. Assuming this is the real T'Challa I think some sort of time travel will be necessary to ensure that he returns the exact moment he left or whatever.[/QUOTE]
omg good catch. it's been two years since he went missing???? what is going on back on earth since his departure ? how is wakanda and are they actively looking for him? did he he fight a battle that resulted in his losing and being ported to another galaxy? so many questions.
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3748121]omg good catch. it's been two years since he went missing???? what is going on back on earth since his departure ? how is wakanda and are they actively looking for him? did he he fight a battle that resulted in his losing and being ported to another galaxy? so many questions.[/QUOTE]
Since he's in Avengers, he can't really be missing on earth for that long. So assuming this is the real T'Challa (and the visions of Storm make that likely), then all this stuff has to occur in the blink of an eye as far as the rest of the MU is concerned. In other books he's still around.
There are three easy ways to explain why Bast does not actively get involved in Wakandan affairs.
1) Bast cannot directly intervene, due to mystical vows & treaties. Empower and advise champions, yes, but not intervene, There is actually a precedent for this in canon, involving the Third Host of the Celestials.
2) Bast does not want to intervene, because (s)he believes that it is better for Wakandans to stand for themselves. The Panther mantle is meant to inspire others to surpass their limits, not be a cure-all for every single problem.
3) Bast has no desire to intervene, because worshipers are supposed to serve, not dictate terms. You might call this the "a-hole" solution. ;)
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3748156]There are three easy ways to explain why Bast does not actively get involved in Wakandan affairs.
1) Bast cannot directly intervene, due to mystical vows & treaties. Empower and advise champions, yes, but not intervene, There is actually a precedent for this in canon, involving the Third Host of the Celestials.
2) Bast does not want to intervene, because (s)he believes that it is better for Wakandans to stand for themselves. The Panther mantle is meant to inspire others to surpass their limits, not be a cure-all for every single problem.
3) Bast has no desire to intervene, because worshipers are supposed to serve, not dictate terms. You might call this the "a-hole" solution. ;)[/QUOTE]
For the most part you can't really complain too much about Bast not intervening, because for whatever reason she doesn't. I think the ONLY time I personally felt that made her look bad was with Hickmans Time Runs Out stuff. That was a scenario where the whole multiverse, not just Wakanda was in danger and she knew about it ahead of time. Plus, you had Thanos essentially walking around in her living room.
Other than that one time, I think at this point most people (be it readers or actual characters in the story) really don't expect Bast to get involved. And really now that T'Challa is on the Avengers, in a really big emergency there's not much Bast can do that the Avengers couldn't anyways. So T'Challa pretty much has all the back up he needs if he even needs back up.
[QUOTE=XPac;3748126]Since he's in Avengers, he can't really be missing on earth for that long. So assuming this is the real T'Challa (and the visions of Storm make that likely), then all this stuff has to occur in the blink of an eye as far as the rest of the MU is concerned. In other books he's still around.[/QUOTE]
so you thinking the most possible rationale is time travel?
[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3748243]so you thinking the most possible rationale is time travel?[/QUOTE]
Time travel or alternate reality, or something like that. Obviously the real T'Challa can't be gone for 2 years. He's right there in the Avengers. If this is really him, something ensures that he's not gone that long as far as the rest of he MU are concerned.
[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3748156]There are three easy ways to explain why Bast does not actively get involved in Wakandan affairs.
1) Bast cannot directly intervene, due to mystical vows & treaties. Empower and advise champions, yes, but not intervene, There is actually a precedent for this in canon, involving the Third Host of the Celestials.
2) Bast does not want to intervene, because (s)he believes that it is better for Wakandans to stand for themselves. The Panther mantle is meant to inspire others to surpass their limits, not be a cure-all for every single problem.
3) Bast has no desire to intervene, because worshipers are supposed to serve, not dictate terms. You might call this the "a-hole" solution. ;)[/QUOTE]
I usually go with 2...
[QUOTE=XPac;3748247]Time travel or alternate reality, or something like that. Obviously the real T'Challa can't be gone for 2 years. He's right there in the Avengers. If this is really him, something ensures that he's not gone that long as far as the rest of he MU are concerned.[/QUOTE]
gotcha. yea I need answers. I hope it's not a thing with editorial not doing their jobs. the xoffices have let writers do.different stories even when it didnt align with other stories being told.
Bast in the movie showed the ancient Wakandans where the heart shaped herb was... Stop right there!
Does that make the vibranium meteor an act of god or a random act of chance if Bast figured that out because then that has intergalactic implications as well as earthly!
Was bast waiting for the vibranium meteor because Odin was busy having Thor's hammer Mjolnir fashioned himself by Eitri the dwarf king!
If bast engages in active warfare he would just be like He-man's Battle Cat which allows him to whip @$$ or get his @$$ whipped like Thor versus Thanos!
If I'm getting my Braveheart on during a bloody battle and Jesus shows up and gets taken out I'm really considering not going to church next Sunday because I couldn't shake that visual out of my head of him not overcoming death!
Bast: "WAKANDA FOREVER!!!"
BAMMMMM...
King T'challa: "Bast get up we need you!"
Princess Shuri: "Is she dead?"
Bast: "No, it's just a flesh wound pull the sword out slowly... ARRGH!"
General Okoye: "That's a lot of blood do gods bleed... MEDIC over here!"
Nakia: "My faith is shaken... I quit!"
[video=youtube;cODC3XtYsRs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cODC3XtYsRs[/video]
[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;3748370]Bast in the movie showed the ancient Wakandans where the heart shaped herb was... Stop right there!
Does that make the vibranium meteor an act of god or a random act of chance if Bast figured that out because then that has intergalactic implications as well as earthly!
Was bast waiting for the vibranium meteor because Odin was busy having Thor's hammer Mjolnir fashioned himself by Eitri the dwarf king!
If bast engages in active warfare he would just be like He-man's Battle Cat which allows him to whip @$$ or get his @$$ whipped like Thor versus Thanos!
If I'm getting my Braveheart on during a bloody battle and Jesus shows up and gets taken out I'm really considering not going to church next Sunday because I couldn't shake that visual out of my head of him not overcoming death!
Bast: "WAKANDA FOREVER!!!"
BAMMMMM...
King T'challa: "Bast get up we need you!"
Princess Shuri: "Is she dead?"
Bast: "No, it's just a flesh wound pull the sword out slowly... ARRGH!"
General Okoye: "That's a lot of blood do gods bleed... MEDIC over here!"
Nakia: "My faith is shaken... I quit!"
[video=youtube;cODC3XtYsRs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cODC3XtYsRs[/video][/QUOTE]
Ghost Panther rides a battle cat. Maybe it's Bast. Probably not though.
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This just in...
Bast tests positive for midichlorians loses Olympic gold medals and Nike contract! :cool:
Black Panther won best movie at the BET Awards over A Wrinkle in Time, Girls Trip, Mudbound, and Detroit.
Chadwick Boseman won Best Actor over Denzel Washington, Sterling K. Brown, Michael B. Jordan, and Daniel Kaluuya.