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[QUOTE=phumgano;3144846]Cheers for posting the scans for me, you always come through, Rumble.
It's EERILY similar to what happened to Carol and Rhodey.
I doubt we're going to see a major white female character get a black love interest that they actually take time to develop happening in DC anytime soon. We're in the Geoff Johns era and that guy literally takes pride in the fact that people praise him for removing black characters from the narrative. You'd think a guy from Detroit would have more empathy for black folks but here we are.
Can't say it isn't entertaining to watch grown men freak out at Bendis everytime Miles even looks at a white girl.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for the kind words bro.
You made a valid point that completely escaped me:
Carol = Wonder Woman
Rhodey = Trevor Barnes
What's funny is that here was a white woman (i think) charged with reinvigorating a white female character and she chose out of her own creative discretion and logic to use a known black male character with comparable interests as her white female character, as the love interest...
...and Marvel tells her that she gotta keep Carol in space away from all that lol, and then the second the author steps away from the title they set that black man up to get killed using the "excuse" that his death was pertinent for emotional impact... but then turn around and kill off Bruce Banner/Hulk to completely overshadow the significance of that black man having the "big" death .. then creating "Riri" as a peace offering, which they flat out admitted was intentionally set in place because they knew the backlash that was coming from killing Rhodey.
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[QUOTE=ed2962;3145032]I wouldn't say it's the same as Carol and Rhodey, seeing as there was no controversy over that couple. Although, you didn't get to see much of them dating when he was alive either. I think with War Machine it was just a we-need-a cheap-shock-death-for-our-ill-thought-out-event.
[B]As far major DC Comics BM/WF couples we did have Power Girl with Mr Terrific ( then she moved on to Val-Zod). There was Jon Stewart and Hawkgirl on the JL cartoon show ( I don't think the other alien women he's dated in the comics count). There's got to be somebody else, but that's all I can think of now off the top of my head...
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Johns has actually created a number of minority characters, but he's mostly going to push his creations or the established pet characters. He's not going to get paid if Jon Stewart makes into the next GL movie, but if Simon Baz does...cha-ching.[/QUOTE]
Maaan, I'm glad you mentioned this because i was [B]just[/B] about to talk about Mr. Terrific [I]and[/I] Power Girl [I]and[/I] Val Zod, and the bullshit that happened to those characters as a result of being paired with her.
Mr. Terrific came out the gate of the new 52 with a new solo book that was immediately sabotaged with shitty art (early sketch work showed it was supposed to have great art but that got scrapped) and a garbage story. But the most note worthy addition was that Power Girl was his love interest. But soooooon as that solo series crashed and burned, Mr. Terrific for all intents and purposes was banned from the DC universe for like the next 1-2 years, and Karen was re-purposed into that Huntress team-up book. Damn near the next time we saw Terrific in comics was during that stupid Batman Beyond esleworld story or, as far as the "real" Michael Holt,not until the Earth 2 World's End countdown book. At which point it was like him and PG never knew each other. She had moved on to the other black guy, but more on him later.
Then the writer of Earth 2 was implying that Terrific and Earth 2 Wonder Woman (Fury?) were getting close... but soooon as he got off the book, the next writer started the Earth 2 team book in which Terrific, despite being on the team and surviving to the new planet, was magically off the roster and NEVER friggin heard from again!
Only reason I haven't been more vocal in my disgust for their treatment of Michael Holt is due to my complete and utter disgust of their treatment of John Stewart, but more on that another time.
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Val Zod... lol :(
He went from having that Miles Morales potential to being an after thought wallpaper shell of a superhero whose guts Power Girl despised b/c of some thrown in nonsensical bs about how he was the cause of some villain doing something that was clearly out of his knowledge (but was thrown in by the writer as a means to have Karen act irrational and break up the two). Leaving him as just a simp who literally did nothing but carve mountain monuments of Karen while the writer tried to repurpose Karen into being a new love interest for Flash. Now Val is a forgotten vagabond in the comic book graveyard and Michael is only just now in 2017 having a consistent appearance in comics once again with The Terrifics.
Karen has that Kardashian Curse. Stay safe Brehs :eek:
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And of course none of this would even matter if they simply created or elevated more black girls, or women of color.
But we saw what happened with Storm and Black Panther.
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[QUOTE=Rumble;3145100]And of course none of this would even matter if they simply created or elevated more black girls, or women of color.
But we saw what happened with Storm and Black Panther.[/QUOTE]
[B]It would be nice for a black super couple to flourish but it's been spoiled. We can only hope for queen Nakia Nyong'o[/B]
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[QUOTE=Rumble;3145100]And of course none of this would even matter if they simply created or elevated more black girls, or women of color.
But we saw what happened with Storm and Black Panther.[/QUOTE]
This we need more black woman / black men couples
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3145375][B]It would be nice for a black super couple to flourish but it's been spoiled. We can only hope for queen Nakia Nyong'o[/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=4sake Baned;3145504]This we need more black woman / black men couples[/QUOTE]
I feel two ways about it.
1. If a Jiminez or a Kelly Sue DeConnick wants to write a non-black female character as a lead and pair said character with a black male love interest for whatever willy nilly reason, then I don't feel that black male should be banished, emasculated or murdered immediately following the writer's departure on some Emmet Till lynch mob. Can't quite put my finger on it but that just feels a bit racist-ish.
2.I'ma let Carol finish, but Monica Rambeau would've been a better Captain Marvel in the MCU than Danvers, Mar-vell Genis-vell, Phyla-vell, and any other vell, ever.
And would've set up a GOAT power couple with T'Chadwick or god forbid they elevate another black character that isn't some white character's side kick or 3rd best black friend!
Speaking of which, Idris just said he don't want to be punk ass Heimdall no more and wants to be a superhero. Well I say people like hearing him talk, and Adam Brasheer likes to talk a lot, so world's finest/blackest: T'Chadwick and Idris in 2020! If I ruled the world.
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Storm may be getting another solo. If not, why not Storm and Black Panther ongoing series. :)
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[QUOTE=Rumble;3145095]Val Zod... lol :(
He went from having that Miles Morales potential to being an after thought wallpaper shell of a superhero whose guts Power Girl despised b/c of some thrown in nonsensical bs about how he was the cause of some villain doing something that was clearly out of his knowledge (but was thrown in by the writer as a means to have Karen act irrational and break up the two). Leaving him as just a simp who literally did nothing but carve mountain monuments of Karen while the writer tried to repurpose Karen into being a new love interest for Flash. Now Val is a forgotten vagabond in the comic book graveyard and Michael is only just now in 2017 having a consistent appearance in comics once again with The Terrifics.
Karen has that Kardashian Curse. Stay safe Brehs :eek:[/QUOTE]
Another one is Luke Fox aka Batwing and Barbara Gordon. They were put together as couple in the final issues of her new 52 run but when Rebirth happened the relationship was written off. Batgirl then got with a new guy, an Asian, and Batwing was put into Dectetive Comics Rebirth with a different personality from what was originally presented. In his first appearance he was an egotistical player who was a hero for "thrills" and Batwoman didn't like him. Batman fans didn't like the character saying he's there for just diversity.
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And yet, some people call you paranoid when you point out the clear evidence of a concerted pushback against clearly heterosexual black males engaged in healthy romantic relationships with black women or indeed, any women within mainstream comicbooks.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3145842]And yet, some people call you paranoid when you point out the clear evidence of a concerted pushback against clearly heterosexual black males engaged in healthy romantic relationships with black women or indeed, any women within mainstream comicbooks.[/QUOTE]
I saw a cover for an upcoming Uncanny Avengers issue that shows Brother Voodoo and Scarlet Witch kissing, if you read the previous issues its been building towards that. But I wonder how people will take that, I'm not sure how Vision or Wonder Man fans still feel about her but there's a strong chance they'll not like it.
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[QUOTE=4sake Baned;3145504]This we need more black woman / black men couples[/QUOTE]
It's ironic, but say 35-ish years ago, you had fewer minority characters at Marvel/DC, but those characters would have been more likely to be in a same minority romance.
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[QUOTE=Mr HardKnocks;3145874]I saw a cover for an upcoming Uncanny Avengers issue that shows Brother Voodoo and Scarlet Witch kissing, if you read the previous issues its been building towards that. But I wonder how people will take that, I'm not sure how Vision or Wonder Man fans still feel about her but there's a strong chance they'll not like it.[/QUOTE]
On one hand, it doesn't bother me, one the other hand...he couldn't date Frenzy or someone? He couldn't go on a date with the black girl at the coffee shop or something?
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3145842]And yet, some people call you paranoid when you point out the clear evidence of a concerted pushback against clearly heterosexual black males engaged in healthy romantic relationships with black women or indeed, any women within mainstream comicbooks.[/QUOTE]
I think in comics it's a weird thing. I can think of in recent years them being more willing to show a brother hooking up with someone, just not another black person.
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[QUOTE=ed2962;3145905]I think in comics it's a weird thing. I can think of in recent years them being more willing to show a brother hooking up with someone, just not another black person.[/QUOTE]
Bro, it's not just in mainstream comicbooks.
Heterosexual romantic relationships are virtually absent from most sci-fi/fantasy based entertainment.
The forthcoming BP movie may be the first time we get such relationships portrayed in a meaningful manner but it remains to be seen whether this leads to a quantifiable paradigm shift.