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[QUOTE=Anthony Shaw;2824845]I was thinking of the first Priest arc where BP wrecked Mesphisto, but Achebe controlled Wakanda. Or, when BP regained Wakanda, but lost Nakia.
BP would overcome a lot, but he could not realistically overcome everything (save something for the next arc).
Perhaps Pyrrhic victories is too strong a phrase, but I saw no evidence where BP became a Marty Stu during the Priest run. I loved the gripping storytelling of that period.
Priest used a lot of give & take with BP.[/QUOTE]
[B]Those wouldn't be considered Pyrrhic victories. Perfect example of Pyrrhic victory is Doom war. Priest provided
multilayered stories that had an overall goal it was moving to. Coates crap is just that [/B]
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2825326]That was Obadiah Stane in the Iron Man movie, not Exekial.[/QUOTE]
Oh. Sorry my mistake.
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is Azania still a stand-in for South Africa?
Has their government changed for the better at this point?
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It is. I thought it changed during Black Panther vol. 2, but my memory's fuzzy.
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There will be an mvci variant cover for a future bp issue. Im so happy he's going to be in the game. I know there's no proof but he's definitely going to be in it. :)
Whose going to pair up BP and Storm when the game is released?
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[QUOTE=RLAAMJR.;2826164]There will be an mvci variant cover for a future bp issue. Im so happy he's going to be in the game. I know there's no proof but he's definitely going to be in it. :)
Whose going to pair up BP and Storm when the game is released?[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure all the major movie people are going to get into the games. It just makes sense to do that.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2825326]That was Obadiah Stane in the Iron Man movie, not Exekial.[/QUOTE]
Yea, nobody knew who this lame ezekiel was until googles were done. "Oh some throwaway trash from ironman's backyard? Crap..."
The obvious white man for that role should've been Zemo, and tying that into Nick Spencer's run as a major Hydra scheme to destabilize Wakanda so it wouldn't be a threat to Steve's "One Man" reign, then Spencer could've prominently featured BP in Secret Empire #1 and #2, as well as the earlier CA:SR issues. And possibly even use the Black Avengers Spencer introduced in Sam's book to be the stealth team BP calls together to go at Steve later on in SE.
But alas, we're stuck with Ironman's trash instead.
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[QUOTE=Rumble;2826185]Yea, nobody knew who this lame ezekiel was until googles were done. "Oh some throwaway trash from ironman's backyard? Crap..."
The obvious white man for that role should've been Zemo, and tying that into Nick Spencer's run as a major Hydra scheme to destabilize Wakanda so it wouldn't be a threat to Steve's "One Man" reign, then Spencer could've prominently featured BP in Secret Empire #1 and #2, as well as the earlier CA:SR issues. And possibly even use the Black Avengers Spencer introduced in Sam's book to be the stealth team BP calls together to go at Steve later on in SE.
But alas, we're stuck with Ironman's trash instead.[/QUOTE]
A trash character that was lauded as being a credible threat to T'Challa by the usual lot that consistently back hand compliment Coates dumbed down BP.
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[QUOTE=Rumble;2826185]Yea, nobody knew who this lame ezekiel was until googles were done. "Oh some throwaway trash from ironman's backyard? Crap..."
The obvious white man for that role should've been Zemo, and tying that into Nick Spencer's run as a major Hydra scheme to destabilize Wakanda so it wouldn't be a threat to Steve's "One Man" reign, then Spencer could've prominently featured BP in Secret Empire #1 and #2, as well as the earlier CA:SR issues. And possibly even use the Black Avengers Spencer introduced in Sam's book to be the stealth team BP calls together to go at Steve later on in SE.
But alas, we're stuck with Ironman's trash instead.[/QUOTE]
[B]I so wish that's how it went down. That would of been amazing.
The thing Coates is forgetting I'd that zlisters are there to have the heroes provide huge ass whoopings to. Coates is pulling an Ewing in regards to have nobodies giving issues to the heroes, more then they should, however unlike Ewing Coates just continues to have these z Listers not get utterly stomped on Which in turn hurt's the more established heroes reputation.
Stane and friends Should of been destroyed by the Crew.
But instead they held there own for the most part
So now the crew looks like shit. Yet folks Will come to Coates rescue and excuse the shitty choices away [/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2826241][B]I so wish that's how it went down. That would of been amazing.
The thing Coates is forgetting I'd that zlisters are there to have the heroes provide huge ass whoopings to. Coates is pulling an Ewing in regards to have nobodies giving issues to the heroes, more then they should, however unlike Ewing Coates just continues to have these z Listers not get utterly stomped on Which in turn hurt's the more established heroes reputation.
Stane and friends Should of been destroyed by the Crew.
But instead they held there own for the most part
So now the crew looks like shit. Yet folks Will come to Coates rescue and excuse the shitty choices away [/B][/QUOTE]
Dude is grossly unqualified to write a BP book let alone any comicbook not set in the X-verse.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;2826241][B]I so wish that's how it went down. That would of been amazing.
The thing Coates is forgetting I'd that zlisters are there to have the heroes provide huge ass whoopings to. Coates is pulling an Ewing in regards to have nobodies giving issues to the heroes, more then they should, however unlike Ewing Coates just continues to have these z Listers not get utterly stomped on Which in turn hurt's the more established heroes reputation.
Stane and friends Should of been destroyed by the Crew.
But instead they held there own for the most part
So now the crew looks like shit. Yet folks Will come to Coates rescue and excuse the shitty choices away [/B][/QUOTE]
I imagine that's the rationale for people like Klaw and Man Ape getting stomped. They're Z listers who are there to make the heroes look good.
But there's a problem with that formula. It makes the villain look bad, and it even makes the heroes who previously struggled with them look bad. Stane was a credible threat to Iron Man, so if T'Challa stomps him it makes Stark look bad. Moving foreward Stane is currently T'Challa's primary opponent, so if Stane theoretically were to get stomped by say Spider-Man or whatever, that effectively makes Iron Man and T'Challa look bad. Just like Goldballs stomping Klaw makes T'Challa look bad for having struggled against him in the past.
There's a price for stomping villains in that manner. T'Challa has arguably no credible rogues because other writers are doing exactly what you're describing with his opponents, and the same thing shouldn't be happening to Iron Mans opponents. Or anyone else's for that matter, at least if they're characters who are currently being used.
If you make a villain look credible, it makes the heroes he faces both past and present credible for having beat them. Because there's no value in beating canon fodder. You can of course argue Coates didn't do a good job making Stane look credible... he'll be the first to admit he's not necessarily good at fights. But what he did is still better than stomping them for the same reason that Man Ape and Klaw shouldn't be stomped like Z listers.
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[QUOTE=Anthony Shaw;2824858]On the same page, that we are. Even M'Baku went up the charts by revealing QDJ's true tribal origin, and murdering my beloved "Happy Pants", Panther.
Happy Pants was flat out awesome.
Nothing came easy for BP during the Priest run.
Priest pumped up all of BP's rogues. Priest showed the full potential of Klaw, in addition to BP finally letting loose his rage on his father's murderer (not that bizarre screaming he did at Namor during the Hickman run).[/QUOTE]
Nothing but #facts here :cool:
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[QUOTE=Rumble;2823621]Everybody was googlin who stane was bc he isn't credible or relevant.
Goon Slam Gary is more credible, he just wasn't born into generational wealth or had the socioeconomic support to become a z-list villain like Stane.
Gary doesn't even have an alphabet to his name, and he's still more credible.[/QUOTE]
Under a far more capable writer I'd dare say that Gary could rise to be a credible threat to T'Challa in that he just wants to destroy T'Challa and only T'Challa and no longer cares about Wakanda other than it can burn after T'Challa does
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[QUOTE=Anthony Shaw;2824845]I was thinking of the first Priest arc where BP wrecked Mesphisto, but Achebe controlled Wakanda. Or, when BP regained Wakanda, but lost Nakia.
BP would overcome a lot, but he could not realistically overcome everything (save something for the next arc).
Perhaps Pyrrhic victories is too strong a phrase, but I saw no evidence where BP became a Marty Stu during the Priest run. I loved the gripping storytelling of that period.
Priest used a lot of give & take with BP.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Black Panther haters always conveniently don't mention the times he loses or the things/people he loses, but only focus on the times he wins, then use those wins as "proof" that he is a Mary Sue.
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[QUOTE=MoneySpider;2826368]Exactly. Black Panther haters always conveniently don't mention the times he loses or the things/people he loses, but only focus on the times he wins, then use those wins as "proof" that he is a Mary Sue.[/QUOTE]
I think it's almost easy to look at them as Mary Sues because to a degree they should be written that way a part of the time. Guys like T'Challa and Batman on paper are seemingly good at everything and usually 2 steps ahead of everything.
But what some don't understand is that it all balances out in the end. People on the highest pedistals often have the biggest falls. Morrison killed Batman, and Priest left him out of power with an incurable brain anyerism. Really no one likes writing a Mary Sue... they're boring to write.