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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;3253820]The experience Gentle got is pure on some Coates bs as none of it jives with Wakanda depicted by competent writers but of course we’re talking about a character from the X-Verse so making Wakandans look dirty was #1-10 on their agenda so miss me with that “well can you blame Gentle?” Mess
Not like there wasn’t a Wakandan school for super powered kids made........oh wait there is[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's what I was saying in the post you quoted. There is a school for Wakandan metas from Infinity. So T'Challa in theory could have Storm help with that. That might also get Gentle to give Wakanda another shot. I believe he's already going to be in X-Men Red, but maybe he can do double duty.
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[QUOTE=Cville;3253834]I'm not. There is a book series where all gods that have ever existed are real and the main character has met most of the big names. And he is only a mortal with powers, but that doesn't stop his belief in his pantheon.[/QUOTE]
Cleary it doesn't stop his belief in Bast. He still worships her, even though if push came to shove he could probably kick Basts but if he had to. But that's how Faith works I guess.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3253395]lolol yes you can. people really don't like Coates huh. question though is there anyone here who likes what he is doing with the bp book?[/QUOTE]
He kinda just sucks.
Or, to be somewhat more constructive, he just has a very feeble (impotent?) way of writing T'Challa that is off putting. Observe the way Chadwick and Ryan speak on T'Challa, and observe the way Ta-Nehisi does. i.e. King is the most important thing to him vs he doesn't want to be king and he ain't that good at it and woe is he woe is he. John Hickman's T'Challa started off in a worse spot emotionally (right after Doomwar, then AvX) and his BP was still more in line with Chad and Ryan, with John's BP stating specifically to Bast that being King is his greatest desire and his BP retaining a stubborn confidence and pride that led to him restoring Wakanda and the universe at the end.
It was almost like, yea Doom got me good (when i risked my life to save a Dora), i lost my throne, i lost my wife, my people got flooded, and now the universe is about to blow up... but i'm still me, and damn it i do great things. John fumbled a bit execution wise (im not necessarily his biggest fan) but in principle he understood. And John's intent was to have Storm be a part of the Illuminati and continue their romance and actually have her be a part of something relevant, two-fold, but he was cock blocked by Marvel or X-Office, or both.
Ta-Nehisi however comes in with an agenda to insinuate Wakanda has a rape culture and T'Challa is a safe negro who wanted to learn how to be a hero from the Avengers (instead of spy on them to ensure they weren't a threat to Wakanda), felt admiration for Dr. Doom (instead of wanting to kick his ass for murdering his uncle and countless Wakandans) and was negligent to active rapes in his administration that his head body guard was well aware of. Some are big things, some minor, but even the minor ones like the "learn" vs "spy".. it's like why actively try to make him less bad ass? Why give him stockholm syndrome for Dr. Doom?
Of course they've seemingly swept all that ill-will between him and the Doras under the rug to the point where they're apparently working for him again and calling him all the cutesy names as before. So it just comes across like Marvel editorial said: "all that rape culture, and he doesn't want to be king, and path to dethrone him... yea, you can't actually do that. Clean it up and get ready to bring back Klaw." Which doesn't take away from the principle of how he approached the mytho. And then the principle of him trying to milk BP's name to tell questionable stories about the Doras in NY and Erza whatever.
Also not a fan of his story telling from a technical stand point, but that's not as egregious for me.
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[QUOTE=Anthony Shaw;3253847]Coates up in here saving people money.[/QUOTE]
He's saved me a lot of money. That is a positive I suppose.
I can probably buy even more tickets to the BP movie than I otherwise would've been able to.
Or maybe more BP movie merch to wear to the movie. So positives all around.
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[QUOTE=Smoov-E;3253820]The experience Gentle got is pure on some Coates bs as none of it jives with Wakanda depicted by competent writers but of course we’re talking about a character from the X-Verse so making Wakandans look dirty was #1-10 on their agenda so miss me with that “well can you blame Gentle?” Mess
Not like there wasn’t a Wakandan school for super powered kids made........oh wait there is[/QUOTE]
Looking back at it, World's Apart was pretty bad, lowkey trash. From the troll baiting lecture Cyclops gave at the beginning, through the portrayal of some Wakandans. They were always looking to sabotage instead of cultivate.
Lol @ at the name Gentle for a quiet pacifist biracial black man with the 'trouble makers' coming from his black side. Safe Negro would've been too heavy handed a codename.
And Yost still wanted to kill him off, anyway
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[QUOTE=Cville;3253182]Didn't the previous issue suggest it was Klaw behind it all?[/QUOTE]
Do you mean the Legacy issue? I thought it was fairly ambiguous whether he was working with the old gods, was creating the illusion of the old gods, or just taking advantage of them. In fact, that was one of my complaints about the issue.
We knew about the Annual and the Prequel story. Did we know Ralph Macchio was doing a Black Panther story?
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3254161]Do you mean the Legacy issue? I thought it was fairly ambiguous whether he was working with the old gods, was creating the illusion of the old gods, or just taking advantage of them. In fact, that was one of my complaints about the issue.
We knew about the Annual and the Prequel story. Did we know Ralph Macchio was doing a Black Panther story?[/QUOTE]
His last line was something like "they call me god". I figured he was impersonating some old god. When he goes through his list of conspirators, the ancient god is not mentioned.
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Marvel Select Black Panther figure.
[IMG]http://i65.tinypic.com/juwj09.jpg[/IMG]
There's gonna be a PVC statue too, with another for Killmonger on the way.
[IMG]https://i1.wp.com/www.toyhypeusa.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/MarvelGallery_BlackPanther-e1511293465936.jpg[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=Cville;3253924]That is what I though too. Evans name is first on #1. But Coates is first on #2.
That might just be a mistake on the people who write the solicits.
Either that or early pre-orders for #1 are not what they hoped for and are trying to use his name to boost them.[/QUOTE]
[B]Hard to say. It I want these to be Evans words and not Coates. Evan seems like a honest fan[/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3254395][B]Hard to say. It I want these to be Evans words and not Coates. Evan seems like a honest fan[/B][/QUOTE]
Only reason I say it is because wasn't BP&C supposed to be a collaboration with the woman taking the lead role. But we heard little from her after it started if I recall
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[QUOTE=Rumble;3254028]He kinda just sucks.
Or, to be somewhat more constructive, he just has a very feeble (impotent?) way of writing T'Challa that is off putting. Observe the way Chadwick and Ryan speak on T'Challa, and observe the way Ta-Nehisi does. i.e. King is the most important thing to him vs he doesn't want to be king and he ain't that good at it and woe is he woe is he. John Hickman's T'Challa started off in a worse spot emotionally (right after Doomwar, then AvX) and his BP was still more in line with Chad and Ryan, with John's BP stating specifically to Bast that being King is his greatest desire and his BP retaining a stubborn confidence and pride that led to him restoring Wakanda and the universe at the end.
It was almost like, yea Doom got me good (when i risked my life to save a Dora), i lost my throne, i lost my wife, my people got flooded, and now the universe is about to blow up... but i'm still me, and damn it i do great things. John fumbled a bit execution wise (im not necessarily his biggest fan) but in principle he understood. And John's intent was to have Storm be a part of the Illuminati and continue their romance and actually have her be a part of something relevant, two-fold, but he was cock blocked by Marvel or X-Office, or both.
Ta-Nehisi however comes in with an agenda to insinuate Wakanda has a rape culture and T'Challa is a safe negro who wanted to learn how to be a hero from the Avengers (instead of spy on them to ensure they weren't a threat to Wakanda), felt admiration for Dr. Doom (instead of wanting to kick his ass for murdering his uncle and countless Wakandans) and was negligent to active rapes in his administration that his head body guard was well aware of. Some are big things, some minor, but even the minor ones like the "learn" vs "spy".. it's like why actively try to make him less bad ass? Why give him stockholm syndrome for Dr. Doom?
Of course they've seemingly swept all that ill-will between him and the Doras under the rug to the point where they're apparently working for him again and calling him all the cutesy names as before. So it just comes across like Marvel editorial said: "all that rape culture, and he doesn't want to be king, and path to dethrone him... yea, you can't actually do that. Clean it up and get ready to bring back Klaw." Which doesn't take away from the principle of how he approached the mytho. And then the principle of him trying to milk BP's name to tell questionable stories about the Doras in NY and Erza whatever.
Also not a fan of his story telling from a technical stand point, but that's not as egregious for me.[/QUOTE]
[B]That's why I am looking for to 2018 that is the true year of Bp. A couple minis an annual by the legends of Bp, plus the movie plus the tv show... Forget Coates, try as he may, he can't stop the rise of Bp [/B]
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[QUOTE=Cville;3254426]Only reason I say it is because wasn't BP&C supposed to be a collaboration with the woman taking the lead role. But we heard little from her after it started if I recall[/QUOTE]
[B]U guess we will Have to see the dialogue but I an hoping it's Evan not Coates. We have already seen Coates voice for the ongoing and BP Crew and he is garbage. His treatment of Bp is so old[/B]
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[QUOTE=BlackClaw;3253585]Nope. And that’s going to continue unless one of two things happen.
1. Coates gets with the program and stops crapping over Black Panther and his mythos.
2. A more competent writer is brought on board.[/QUOTE]
it would seem you are not in the minority.
[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;3253761]No. And I bought the first 12 issues.
He bought in too much crap that panders to those who view Africa as a third world country & that enforce black men oppressing women trope.
This book should have been the middle finger to whatever negative images of blacks one has. This book should have shown what happens when you leave blacks alone to fend for themselves.
That is why you got folks losing their minds over that movie. Because it's something we keep getting told can never happen a black utopia, black wall street, black NASA and so on.
I should see Midnight Angels RESPECT their king not degrade him.
I should not see Storm lecture to Panther. Panther should lecture to her about the need for a school of mutants in Wakanda for all those black children who are mutants. Yet still get WORST treatment than Reptile or Nightcrawler because they are black FIRST. Mutant second as SYnch showed up.
We are not getting that with Coates we are getting Hotel Rwanda.[/QUOTE]
i get what you are saying. the people of wakanda are supposed to be exceptional so I can get that criticism. though I get your criticisms I liked the approach he took with his storytelling. it seemed to have elements of realism the whole idea of "no one man." i didn't think ororo was lecturing him though, at least when you take into account what happened in issue 17. it was quite the opposite actually. i also don't want ororo leading another school of mutants as those type of stories seem limiting for the character.
[QUOTE=XPac;3253930]Yeah, that's what I was saying in the post you quoted. There is a school for Wakandan metas from Infinity. So T'Challa in theory could have Storm help with that. That might also get Gentle to give Wakanda another shot. I believe he's already going to be in X-Men Red, but maybe he can do double duty.[/QUOTE]
storm needs to need to be fighting cosmic threats so I would rather her not be involved with any more headmistress duties. I'm hoping when the wakanda space exploration stories are explored she can get a bit of involvement with that.
[QUOTE=Rumble;3254028]He kinda just sucks.
Or, to be somewhat more constructive, he just has a very feeble (impotent?) way of writing T'Challa that is off putting. Observe the way Chadwick and Ryan speak on T'Challa, and observe the way Ta-Nehisi does. i.e. King is the most important thing to him vs he doesn't want to be king and he ain't that good at it and woe is he woe is he. John Hickman's T'Challa started off in a worse spot emotionally (right after Doomwar, then AvX) and his BP was still more in line with Chad and Ryan, with John's BP stating specifically to Bast that being King is his greatest desire and his BP retaining a stubborn confidence and pride that led to him restoring Wakanda and the universe at the end.
It was almost like, yea Doom got me good (when i risked my life to save a Dora), i lost my throne, i lost my wife, my people got flooded, and now the universe is about to blow up... but i'm still me, and damn it i do great things. John fumbled a bit execution wise (im not necessarily his biggest fan) but in principle he understood. And John's intent was to have Storm be a part of the Illuminati and continue their romance and actually have her be a part of something relevant, two-fold, but he was cock blocked by Marvel or X-Office, or both.
Ta-Nehisi however comes in with an agenda to insinuate Wakanda has a rape culture and T'Challa is a safe negro who wanted to learn how to be a hero from the Avengers (instead of spy on them to ensure they weren't a threat to Wakanda), felt admiration for Dr. Doom (instead of wanting to kick his ass for murdering his uncle and countless Wakandans) and was negligent to active rapes in his administration that his head body guard was well aware of. Some are big things, some minor, but even the minor ones like the "learn" vs "spy".. it's like why actively try to make him less bad ass? Why give him stockholm syndrome for Dr. Doom?
Of course they've seemingly swept all that ill-will between him and the Doras under the rug to the point where they're apparently working for him again and calling him all the cutesy names as before. So it just comes across like Marvel editorial said: "all that rape culture, and he doesn't want to be king, and path to dethrone him... yea, you can't actually do that. Clean it up and get ready to bring back Klaw." Which doesn't take away from the principle of how he approached the mytho. And then the principle of him trying to milk BP's name to tell questionable stories about the Doras in NY and Erza whatever.
Also not a fan of his story telling from a technical stand point, but that's not as egregious for me.[/QUOTE]
as I mentioned previously I understand your criticisms here. i didn't read it as if wakanda itself had a rape culture, it seemed more like a fringe portion of wakandans who felt it was acceptable and the total family was too far removed to be aware of it. that said I can still understsnd your points. me personally I think Coates felt with all that happened prior to him becoming the writer his approach made the most sense to show this road to redemption.
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[QUOTE=Rumble;3254028]He kinda just sucks.
Or, to be somewhat more constructive, he just has a very feeble (impotent?) way of writing T'Challa that is off putting. Observe the way Chadwick and Ryan speak on T'Challa, and observe the way Ta-Nehisi does. i.e. King is the most important thing to him vs he doesn't want to be king and he ain't that good at it and woe is he woe is he. John Hickman's T'Challa started off in a worse spot emotionally (right after Doomwar, then AvX) and his BP was still more in line with Chad and Ryan, with John's BP stating specifically to Bast that being King is his greatest desire and his BP retaining a stubborn confidence and pride that led to him restoring Wakanda and the universe at the end.
It was almost like, yea Doom got me good (when i risked my life to save a Dora), i lost my throne, i lost my wife, my people got flooded, and now the universe is about to blow up... but i'm still me, and damn it i do great things. John fumbled a bit execution wise (im not necessarily his biggest fan) but in principle he understood. And John's intent was to have Storm be a part of the Illuminati and continue their romance and actually have her be a part of something relevant, two-fold, but he was cock blocked by Marvel or X-Office, or both.
Ta-Nehisi however comes in with an agenda to insinuate Wakanda has a rape culture and T'Challa is a safe negro who wanted to learn how to be a hero from the Avengers (instead of spy on them to ensure they weren't a threat to Wakanda), felt admiration for Dr. Doom (instead of wanting to kick his ass for murdering his uncle and countless Wakandans) and was negligent to active rapes in his administration that his head body guard was well aware of. Some are big things, some minor, but even the minor ones like the "learn" vs "spy".. it's like why actively try to make him less bad ass? Why give him stockholm syndrome for Dr. Doom?
Of course they've seemingly swept all that ill-will between him and the Doras under the rug to the point where they're apparently working for him again and calling him all the cutesy names as before. So it just comes across like Marvel editorial said: "all that rape culture, and he doesn't want to be king, and path to dethrone him... yea, you can't actually do that. Clean it up and get ready to bring back Klaw." Which doesn't take away from the principle of how he approached the mytho. And then the principle of him trying to milk BP's name to tell questionable stories about the Doras in NY and Erza whatever.
Also not a fan of his story telling from a technical stand point, but that's not as egregious for me.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]You just described the Bland Panther.
Coates has no experience writing any kind of techno-philosophical, futuristic tales of Afro-progressive achievement. His writing is very uninspiring and does nothing to move T'Challa forward.
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[QUOTE=butterflykyss;3254590]it would seem you are not in the minority.
i get what you are saying. the people of wakanda are supposed to be exceptional so I can get that criticism. though I get your criticisms I liked the approach he took with his storytelling. it seemed to have elements of realism the while idea of "no one man." i didn't think ororo was lecturing him though, at least when you take into account what happened in issue 17. it was quite the opposite actually. i also don't want ororo leading another school of mutants as those type of stories seem kimitikh for the character.
storm needs to need to be fighting cosmic threats so I would rather her not be involved with any more headmistress duties. I'm hoping when the wakanda space exploration stories are explored she can get a bit of involvement with that.
as I mentioned previously I understand your criticisms here. i didn't read it as if wakanda itself had a rape culture, it seemed more like a fringe portion of wakandans who felt it was acceptable and the total family was too far removed to be aware of it. that said I can still understsnd your points. me personally I think Coates felt with all that happened prior to him becoming the writer his approach made the most sense to show this road to redemption.[/QUOTE]
[B] Please there were a 100 different ways to tell a redemption Story. Other characters get redemption stories all the time that focus on them and not some BS made up pet Characters taking spot light and completely making a mockery of the Mythos and what the title Character stands for.
His "Redemption" was weak and his Tchalla is the worst version of the character topped only by Mayberry. Coates used a poor excuse to essentially ruin Wakanda by turning it into what Unfans and racists Love. Stereotypical offensive Africa with a castrated Black man being shown inept, weak and completely on safe negro juice..
No thanks 2018 can't come soon enough with the REAL redemption of Tchalla and Wakanda[/B]