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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3480285]Killmonger actually wasn't too terribly different from his comic depiction, really. Under Priest, Killmonger admitted that he was driven by hate, and we see that in the movie, it's just a little more subtle.
Both changes in the movies were done for pragmatic reasons. They needed to give Killmonger legit beef and a method of easily challenging T'Challa, and I suspect Shuri was made into a super genius so as to not make T'Challa seem like a mary sue.
All the same, I fail to see how changing those characters from their source material meaningfully reflect on their characters in canon[/QUOTE]
There's also the sense that Killmonger feels abandoned by Wakanda after the actions of Klaw. I was worried that the two would be actually allied in the movie, but his true motivation relieved me. He hates all sides equally. The details changed because N'Jobu was allied with Klaw, but the result is the same.
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In my fancasted MCU/AU, "No More Mutants" happened in the 90s.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3480438]There's also the sense that Killmonger feels abandoned by Wakanda after the actions of Klaw. I was worried that the two would be actually allied in the movie, but his true motivation relieved me. He hates all sides equally. The details changed because N'Jobu was allied with Klaw, but the result is the same.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, like a lot of the better MIX character they were able to capture the spirit of the character, even if the exact details aren't exact. I think he's a tweaked but very well done version of what we got in the comics.
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[QUOTE=BlackClaw;3480326]You know this is just a random thought I had recently. You know how some superheroes have pets? What if Black Panther has a pet? I think it would be cool if it was a mythological African creature like a Nunda or Nandi Bear.[/QUOTE]
I'd like to see him get a pet dog or panther or fictional creature as a combination of both a dog and a panther..
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3479781]How some people choose to downplay Hudlin's run and overall contributions to the Black Panther mythos is neither here nor there in the wake of Letitia Wright's breakout performance as Princess Shuri on the big screen.
Creating such an awesome character and introducing her into the BP mythos made a lot more sense than Priest's frankly speaking, ludicrously convoluted introduction of Hunter aka White Wolf to the proceedings as T'Challa's adoptive elder brother.
Shuri's popularity in the movie speaks volumes to Hudlin's overall genius in launching her in the first place. :cool:[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BlackClaw;3480431]Lol, fanboys are just gonna have to deal with the fact that Black Panther is outperforming their white faves and that he’s most likely going to be a major player in the MCU going forward. In the meantime, I’m just going to bask in this success as a proud fan.[/QUOTE]
Can't be better said...
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3480310][B]People are just salty because it beat out ALL of their favorite movies.. ALL of them. Once Japan and China open up it's going to also best IM 3 and CWs record's as well and hit that billion Mark. And what's. More is this is the first movie and not a sequel like all the other movies ahead of it. That includes Jurassic world and starwars[/B][/QUOTE]
Not only that. You also see videos on Youtube calling the film mediocre with an Anti-white narrative.
Guess people are butthurt of the movie's success lol.
Who would have thought years ago that BP would outperform some of the most some of the most popular marvel characters at the box office.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3479781]How some people choose to downplay Hudlin's run and overall contributions to the Black Panther mythos is neither here nor there in the wake of Letitia Wright's breakout performance as Princess Shuri on the big screen.
Creating such an awesome character and introducing her into the BP mythos made a lot more sense than Priest's frankly speaking, ludicrously convoluted introduction of Hunter aka White Wolf to the proceedings as T'Challa's adoptive elder brother.
Shuri's popularity in the movie speaks volumes to Hudlin's overall genius in launching her in the first place. :cool:[/QUOTE]
Just saw this.
Setting aside the fact that Shuri in the movies and Shuri in the books are two different characters, how does it make more sense?
When Shuri was introduced, she was just...there. Like Dawn in Buffy, entered into years of canon but unlike Dawn, no explanation was made to explain where she'd been up until now. And she continued to be just there, barely doing anything. It wasn't until Hudlin sidelined T'Challa that Shuri did much of anything.
In contrast, Hunter was introduced as an exile. T'Challa regarded him with distain, and the narrative role Hunter served was to remind T'Challa that his father was no saint. In many ways, Hunter was like Killmonger from the movies, living, breathing evidence that his father was an imperfect man. Why we'd never heard of him was self evident.
IMO, Hudlin simply had no idea how to handle the logistics of writing a comic, of building to a climax or giving a character a designated role in the narrative.
Remember how long and pointless the cannibal plotline was?
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[QUOTE=BlackClaw;3480431]Lol, fanboys are just gonna have to deal with the fact that [B]Black Panther is outperforming[/B] their white faves [B]and that he’s most likely going to be a major player in the MCU going forward.[/B] In the meantime, I’m just going to bask in this success as a proud fan.[/QUOTE]
This prospect is very exciting to me. I think I'm done with comics (nothing really appeals to me), but the movies are just brilliant.
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I mean, she literally looked closer to the part than Billy Bob's garden tool.
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3480531]Just saw this.
Setting aside the fact that Shuri in the movies and Shuri in the books are two different characters, how does it make more sense?
When Shuri was introduced, she was just...there. Like Dawn in Buffy, entered into years of canon but unlike Dawn, no explanation was made to explain where she'd been up until now. And she continued to be just there, barely doing anything. It wasn't until Hudlin sidelined T'Challa that Shuri did much of anything.
In contrast, Hunter was introduced as an exile. T'Challa regarded him with distain, and the narrative role Hunter served was to remind T'Challa that his father was no saint. In many ways, Hunter was like Killmonger from the movies, living, breathing evidence that his father was an imperfect man. Why we'd never heard of him was self evident.
IMO, Hudlin simply had no idea how to handle the logistics of writing a comic, of building to a climax or giving a character a designated role in the narrative.
Remember how long and pointless the cannibal plotline was?[/QUOTE]
Honestly I think that's part of the reason why I didn't like Shuri at first.
Personality wise she was a bit annoying, but beyond that I just sort of felt like he was rammed into the mythos without a whole lot of thought. She was just there one day without explanation. A couple lines of dialogue at least explaining she was off in boarding school or whatever might have at least been something. But no effort was ever made to transition her into continuity.
Shuri won me over overtime... and I can't fault Hudlin for sidelining T'CHalla in order to cement Shuri's place in the mythos. Anything less and she likely would have ended up in limbo. Still... I wish more thought was made when she was inserted in the mythos. Maybe Evans can go back and fill in that particular plot hole.
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3480531]Just saw this.
Setting aside the fact that Shuri in the movies and Shuri in the books are two different characters, how does it make more sense?
When Shuri was introduced, she was just...there. Like Dawn in Buffy, entered into years of canon but unlike Dawn, no explanation was made to explain where she'd been up until now. And she continued to be just there, barely doing anything. It wasn't until Hudlin sidelined T'Challa that Shuri did much of anything.
In contrast, Hunter was introduced as an exile. T'Challa regarded him with distain, and the narrative role Hunter served was to remind T'Challa that his father was no saint. In many ways, Hunter was like Killmonger from the movies, living, breathing evidence that his father was an imperfect man. Why we'd never heard of him was self evident.
IMO, Hudlin simply had no idea how to handle the logistics of writing a comic, of building to a climax or giving a character a designated role in the narrative.
Remember how long and pointless the cannibal plotline was?[/QUOTE]
[B] Your forgetting the fact that Hudlin's run started as an out of canon story. And was turned canon. It made alot of sense that a royal family would have a couple heirs, and Shuri did about as much as hunter. Difference also being that hunters origin before T'Challa came doesn't make much Sense. Cannibals plotline wasn't pointless because it exposed the skrulls. I think there is another too much criticism on Hudlin and not on Priest. But this is pointless overall because without these two the BP movie wouldn't be possible[/B]
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[QUOTE=BlackClaw;3480431]Lol, fanboys are just gonna have to deal with the fact that Black Panther is outperforming their white faves and that he’s most likely going to be a major player in the MCU going forward. In the meantime, I’m just going to bask in this success as a proud fan.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=marvel2017b.htm"]http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=marvel2017b.htm[/URL]
Black Panther's box office as of yesterday
[QUOTE]Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $400,000,422 56.8%
+ Foreign: $304,000,000 43.2%
= Worldwide: $704,000,422 [/QUOTE]
It has beaten Justice League.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;3480273]You mean why is it Black Panther Annual #1? That's because it's Black Panther Annual Volume 6 #1.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the heads up.
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3480565][B] Your forgetting the fact that Hudlin's run started as an out of canon story. And was turned canon. It made alot of sense that a royal family would have a couple heirs, and Shuri did about as much as hunter. Difference also being that hunters origin before T'Challa came doesn't make much Sense. Cannibals plotline wasn't pointless because it exposed the skrulls. I think there is another too much criticism on Hudlin and not on Priest. But this is pointless overall because without these two the BP movie wouldn't be possible[/B][/QUOTE]
Hudlin had some 30 issues to at least try to sooth Shuri into canon, and/or find a role for her. And she wasn't half as active as Hunter (though Hunter has the edge there, being semi villainous)
In what way does Hunter not make sense, btw?
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[QUOTE=The Cool Thatguy;3480285]Killmonger actually wasn't too terribly different from his comic depiction, really. Under Priest, Killmonger admitted that he was driven by hate, and we see that in the movie, it's just a little more subtle.
Both changes in the movies were done for pragmatic reasons. They needed to give Killmonger legit beef and a method of easily challenging T'Challa, and I suspect Shuri was made into a super genius so as to not make T'Challa seem like a mary sue.
All the same, I fail to see how changing those characters from their source material meaningfully reflect on their characters in canon[/QUOTE]
As far as canon goes, this can be said for practically every single MCU movie that's been released to date.
Killmonger isn't related to T'Challa or of royal blood in the comics but looking and behold he's hollering "Hey Aunty" at Queen Mother Ramonda in the movies.
The changes to Shuri as regards her being a super genius moreso than her brother in the movie didn't sit too well with me but when one takes into consideration how much Coates has dumbed T'Challa down in the comics it was more or less inevitable that this nerfing would extend over into the movie methinks.
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[QUOTE=Anthony Shaw;3480541]This prospect is very exciting to me. I think I'm done with comics (nothing really appeals to me), but the movies are just brilliant.[/QUOTE]
Interesting thought, i find it strange that there is an apparent disconnect. If we look at marvel you can see what it looks like when they are going full press treatment. Who the hell is turning up in major crossover plots on top of having set up for their own book...Wolverine!!! Again! You would think that he is the one that had a movie coming out. I understand Panther had two other comics come out but they are insular are not tied into any major story lines. Why wasn't Panther used in the Infinity story line? Big time exposure that could lead right into establishing him in that Avenger main book.