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[QUOTE=Victor Freeman;373637]Reed is about to lose his intellect. No one is walking away unscathed. I'm sure Beast is going to get his in the X-men or Axis.
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It's sad that this punch didn't knock sense into Namor. Joining a group of intergalactic space mass murderers can't be spinned as heroic or smart. Andromeda told him during Infinity and he's continuing to fall and go down a path that will not end well for him.
I think the whole way the Incursions is being viewed is probably wrong and we have missed some detail that will only be clear later on.[/QUOTE]
I haven't been keeping up with the FF lately so I'm behind on what's happening with Reed and family.
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[QUOTE=brettc1;373657]It's actually kind of depressing to see the comments on how T'Challa is somehow a lesser man than he was because he shed tears over the idea of murdering innocent children.
I saw Admiral Adama break down and cry on Battlestar and he is still one of the most awesome characters in the history of sci-fi.[/QUOTE]
I don't feel your pain.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;373813]I don't feel your pain.[/QUOTE]
Not pain, just disappointment.
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Why not create a poll about this issue? Perhaps we don't need to because most people would agree T'challa did the right thing.
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[QUOTE=Sonik;373426][IMG]http://i61.tinypic.com/llild.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
that's good stuff
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[QUOTE=Anthony Shaw;373648]Not that you need me to say this......because you certainly don't........but don't ever slow your role here.
As always, you make valid points time & again. I enjoy reading your contributions here.[/QUOTE]
Have no fear my friend.
I will never slow my roll and it goes without saying that I enjoy reading your contributions too. :)
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[QUOTE=brettc1;373915]Not pain, just disappointment.[/QUOTE]
I don't feel your disappointment either.
[url]http://i62.tinypic.com/e97qzl.jpg[/url]
I just revel in the chaos of broken promises.
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Just because he didn't "pull the trigger" doesn't make T'Challa any less responsible than any and every other member of this team. They all had a hand in the development and implementation of this weapon.
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[QUOTE=Doc Omega;374057]Just because he didn't "pull the trigger" doesn't make T'Challa any less responsible than any and every other member of this team. They all had a hand in the development and implementation of this weapon.[/QUOTE]
He has some responsibility. They all do. But it is still not the same as pulling the actual trigger. There is no spinning that. He has admitted as much on panel that he is responsible. That doesn't change the fact the one person (Namor) decided to actually pull the trigger, has more responsibly--being they are the ones who actually did it.
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In my opinion black panther did the right thing by NOT choosing to be the KING of DEATH anymore. And T'Challa's actions have now resulted in the DISAPPOINTMENT,DISAPPROVAL AND DISMISSAL from his ancestors and there power source. T'Challa has always been written as a character rooted in WISDOM, but by not pulling the trigger he still has his INTERGRITY.
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Aw what the heck if Rosey Grier thinks it's alright to cry then so be it... Victor Freeman must sing along with this song but only if he puts a lot of bass in his voice while doing it! :cool:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y52bs0aX6v8[/url]
All this talk of crying reminds me of when some fans who shall remain nameless praised the speech T'challa gave after Doom took him to the cleaners as if they preferred the Mandela approach instead of a true warrior with blood already on his hands!
Are we really buying super hero comic books for the pure escapism of "Crying" when we have to do something really really important!
In 20 plus movies has James Bond cried once?
If a hero wants to cry when his momma dies I'll give him a pass but in a fictional world when the time comes to blow stuff up you blow stuff up because nobody really died except other fictional characters who are not important enough to have a lucrative selling ongoing comic of their own to keep them alive in the first place!
Some here have compared T'challa to Doom or the Watchmen's Ozymandias who by the way went all in with his plans causing worldwide catastrophes... This would have been the moment to do that finally!
I say have him make that decision with no tears whatsoever and see what type of buttons you pushed in the aftermath... I mean like literally light the Marvel world up with Black Panther actually doing something so far out there that it gets noticed by Batman fans!
The Black Panther is long over due with something so waaaaaaaay over the top that it needs to reverberate on talk shows to the point he actually is The Most Dangerous Man Alive!
I would rather have him walking around the Marvel universe like Phoenix when she destroyed a whole world and let those chips fall where they may... Right now 41,000 consumers are hemorrhaging as fast as those tears streaming down his cheeks!
Besides... This is comics and all that could be retconned as soon as the next writer comes on board anyway!
I don't read comics to see a hero do what I would do in normal every day living I pay to see them do things out of the ordinary because there are no real personal consequences to their actions!
With that said stop crying and "Push The Button"...
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHbvNbJykp4[/url]
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Bond cried when his wife was killed in "On Her Majesty's Secret Service".
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Oh that's right the worst Bond ever that most people forget even existed... Just do a James Bond trivia where people are asked to name all the Bonds and usually they forget George Lazenby was him for one movie with no sequels unlike all the other Bond actors so perhaps crying had something to do with the poor reviews!
But seriously I don't anticipate myself loading up on massive ammo and shooting gang bangers, drug dealers and mob bosses wholesale but I do sometimes fantasize about Frank Castle doing it for me because that is what I'm paying my fictional heroes to do... You know something that I wouldn't do personally!
I would love to see the day after T'challa blew things sky high and how any writer would get out of that hole instead of empty threats to Namor that probably will not come to fruition because he has fans that pay for his existence regardless if one writer makes him T'challa's nemesis!
The Day After Tomorrow...
Doom: "DUDE... You didn't!"
T'challa: "I did!"
Doom: "A whole planet?"
T'challa: "The whole thing!"
Doom: "Were their innocents involved?"
T'challa: "Blood on my hands as we speak!"
Doom: "My N!&&@... Get over here right now me and Loki got a couple of honeys on the pole come celebrate your coming out party with us!"
T'challa: "I am not a villain!"
Loki: "Gimme that phone... N!&&@ stop fronting and get on up over here these girls is crazy over here!"
T'challa: "I'm... I'm... I just can't right now!"
Loki: "Are you crying?"
Doom: "Give me the phone... BAH stop bawling like a mere cretin and get over here you are just going through super hero withdrawals like we all did when we discover who we really are!"
Scott Summers: "Who are you guys talking to?"
Doom: "T'challa... Holla at yo boy for a minute!"
Scott Summers: "Hey BP this is Scott... Look man we are partying like mad over here come join us thees girls is asking bout' you player!"
T'challa: "I don't know... I just feel so vulnerable right now!"
Scott Summers: "Dude is you crying?"
T'challa: "Naw man... Just... Naw man I'll be over!"
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[QUOTE=FLEX HECTIC;374413]Oh that's right the worst Bond ever that most people forget even existed... Just do a James Bond trivia where people are asked to name all the Bonds and usually they forget George Lazenby was him for one movie with no sequels unlike all the other Bond actors so perhaps crying had something to do with the poor reviews![/QUOTE]
You asked.
"Worst" Bond movie was "A View To A Kill". And only if you don't count the original Casino Royale with Peter Sellers.
[url]http://www.rottentomatoes.com/guides/james_bond_countdown/[/url]
OHMSS came in at #7 out of 25.
He cries at the end of Skyfall as well.
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I didn't watch the ending of Skyfall it got too weird for me so I dipped out midway through the viewing before the crying started!
Rottentomatoes... Don't believe everything you read that list has movies separated by many decades in time when some of the critics were not even born yet so try again!
Moonraker was my favorite because Bond went into space to search for more vibranium... OOPS my bad this is a Black Panther appreciation thread so let's get back to why grown men in cat suits cry!
Next On Oprah... Daddy Issues!
This video made me cry at 3:15...
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INCGjFPMKKA[/url]
Now if T'chaka was shown driving his son mad long before he died with the pressures of ruling Wakanda it might have made those scans a bit more touching but most of it seems like random retcons of a pseudo abusive father with no real history of raising his son in that manner!
This clip here has a better father and son character development than what was shown in the recent comic with a father screaming at his son to do something he was supposed to raise him to do...
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0OB2ZJEsl0[/url]
Just like Shuri being an angry chick out of no where during Maberry's Klawz of The Panther run this is not a good look for T'chaka because it fails to show why he is so hard on his son and what drives him to be that way!
T'chaka is too foolish to even account for Hell's Kitchen let alone why T'challa's younger sister is acting ruler of Wakanda without checking their birth certificates to see who was born first and the rightful heir to the throne!
This is what happens when you convolute stuff so bad that your ghost dad does not address the basement dwelling side graded cat god on why he flipped up the household ridiculously out of order... I mean what do you expect from an occultic movement whose genius level intellect derives from a god's heart blood smeared on someones face!
Now add abusive father to the ensemble mix because that's exactly what that scan reflects... T'challa needs more intervention and counseling before he bursts into more tears end of!
I asked???
Are you kidding me... :cool:
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I wanted to chime in on the latest adventures of Black Panther fuckery. I'm on two minds on this. Blowing up the planet would have been a bad look for Black PAnther long-term going forward. HE would have instantly become a villain by gross fanboy standards. He is already hated by many so one could question if it really even matters. Personally I think it does and I'm ultimately glad in how things played out (Namor's use was to be the destroyer thus fulfilling T'Challa's prediction about Namor's future role).
However the way the scene was depicted, chumped out T'Challa. The drawing made him look like a child and the crying was just a fail. T'Challa would not have cried like that based on past depictions. HE is very guarded in his feelings, only revealing them in very private moments to certain people. HE couldn't even cry in front of Monica Lynne. I think of the Storm moment written by Priest where it showed T'Challa break his facade. The present scene de-aged T'Challa. It made him look young and rather weak, IMO. Again I'm not saying a man can't cry. But the way it was presented here was pretty pathetic. T'Challa was yelling at invisible people and crying like a baby. The other guys probably thought he had a nervous breakdown.
I seriously cringed reading it. IF there is not some grand asskicking done by T'Challa soon, well I might as well just move on from the character. We will never see him in a movie, and I really don't care to see him in printed page if this keeps up.
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[QUOTE=lostone;374367]In my opinion black panther did the right thing by NOT choosing to be the KING of DEATH anymore. And T'Challa's actions have now resulted in the DISAPPOINTMENT,DISAPPROVAL AND DISMISSAL from his ancestors and there power source. T'Challa has always been written as a character rooted in WISDOM, but by not pulling the trigger he still has his INTERGRITY.[/QUOTE]
I agree but Nay, his ancestors would answer to him. He ONLY answers to Bast. He's her champion, tasked with delivering salvation. He's still their King, no matter how T'chaka or the others feel--per Bast.
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[img]http://www.bite.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/thor-crying.jpg[/img]
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I don't get why people are ok with this cat-god stuff. BP ought to be a beast in his own right. This extra fluff just takes away from the character. The fact that he has to answer to such a thing down in a friggin crypt is pretty terrible. Really wish they'd get rid of that and just focus on HIS OWN abilities, skills & supporting cast. Hopefully the eventual movie will fix a lot of what's wrong with BP comic world.
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[QUOTE=Ikonic;375305]I don't get why people are ok with this cat-god stuff. BP ought to be a beast in his own right. This extra fluff just takes away from the character. The fact that he has to answer to such a thing down in a friggin crypt is pretty terrible. Really wish they'd get rid of that and just focus on HIS OWN abilities, skills & supporting cast. Hopefully the eventual movie will fix a lot of what's wrong with BP comic world.[/QUOTE]
Different strokes. That's all. I really don't have a issue with it.
It's similar to a Paladin in RPG's.
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I'm a guy who really wants to invest in Panther but that KoD stuff is such a turn off.
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[QUOTE=Victor Freeman;375302][img]http://i.imgur.com/tkaMg1j.png[/img][/QUOTE]
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[IMG]http://www.tomheroes.com/images/COMIC%20crisis%20on%20infinite%20earths%207.jpg[/IMG]
Easily the most iconic B####made moment of all time.
Get this guy a tissue.
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[QUOTE=Spear of Bashenga;375320]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_LdDehM0phY0/TKXzi7KnN5I/AAAAAAAAACk/cebPP7FyMts/s1600/ThanosTears.jpg[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://nummer9.dk/wp-content/uploads/doom.jpg[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=Double 0;375324][IMG]http://nummer9.dk/wp-content/uploads/doom.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Pfft. LOL. "Feelings."
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I'd figure that the prospect of causing Planetary Mass Murder would cause any sane, moral indivedual to shed tears.
If anybody should be mad its the Namor fans. Their guy keep getting stuck with the mass murderer tag.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;375381]I'd figure that the prospect of causing Planetary Mass Murder would cause any sane, moral indivedual to shed tears.
If anybody should be mad its the Namor fans. Their guy keep getting stuck with the mass murderer tag.[/QUOTE]
But at least he doesn't cry. That would be unforgivable.
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[QUOTE=Spear of Bashenga;375392]But at least he doesn't cry. That would be unforgivable.[/QUOTE]
Well, we have to have our priorities.
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I havent been here on this forum in a long while. But i was curiolus to see some reaction to Panther in the last New Avengers book. I don't regularly read it but my friends do and try to mess with me since I'm always so pessimistic about Marvel and their treatment of Panther.
Other than Panther crying in this particular situation, it seems he is depicted more as the "heavyweight" in the Marvel U as he should be treated. I'd like to know if his presence is felt across more Marvel books as it should be...
In addition, Marvel released the Guardians movie this weekend and I also came to another conclusion...Marvel is playing Panther fans with this whole "In Development" crap. I've heard all the reasons from Stan Lee and others about how Panther's mythos is really deep and depicting his background and Wakanda on screen is such a heavy task. But I've now seen Asgard, X-men in two different time periods, deep space with the Guardians movie and other such things and believe now as I always have. Marvel is absolutely not that interested in having a minority, much less Panther, in a full leading role in any of their Marvel franchise movies. I know Michael B. Jordan landed the Human Torch role. But I'm still interested in seeing how that plays out. And they are not including Falcon nor War Machine in the next Avengers movie. And in Guardians, the only people of color were the villian, a green chick and a tree.
So as it stands with me now, I'm not holding my breath for Marvel to feature people of color the way Matrix did so successfully.
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[QUOTE=Vic Vega;375381]I'd figure that the prospect of causing Planetary Mass Murder would cause any sane, moral indivedual to shed tears.
If anybody should be mad its the Namor fans. Their guy keep getting stuck with the mass murderer tag.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I was happy that he didn't. To me this is just trying to humanize a guy who has been trashed for stuff like "the cure for cancer".
:shrugs:
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[QUOTE=Ty19;375424]I havent been here on this forum in a long while. But i was curiolus to see some reaction to Panther in the last New Avengers book. I don't regularly read it but my friends do and try to mess with me since I'm always so pessimistic about Marvel and their treatment of Panther.
Other than Panther crying in this particular situation, it seems he is depicted more as the "heavyweight" in the Marvel U as he should be treated. I'd like to know if his presence is felt across more Marvel books as it should be...
In addition, Marvel released the Guardians movie this weekend and I also came to another conclusion...Marvel is playing Panther fans with this whole "In Development" crap. I've heard all the reasons from Stan Lee and others about how Panther's mythos is really deep and depicting his background and Wakanda on screen is such a heavy task. But I've now seen Asgard, X-men in two different time periods, deep space with the Guardians movie and other such things and believe now as I always have. Marvel is absolutely not that interested in having a minority, much less Panther, in a full leading role in any of their Marvel franchise movies. I know Michael B. Jordan landed the Human Torch role. But I'm still interested in seeing how that plays out. And they are not including Falcon nor War Machine in the next Avengers movie. [B]And in Guardians, the only people of color were the villian, a green chick and a tree[/B].
So as it stands with me now, I'm not holding my breath for Marvel to feature people of color the way Matrix did so successfully.[/QUOTE]
Dave Bautista too.
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[QUOTE=Spear of Bashenga;375392]But at least he doesn't cry. That would be unforgivable.[/QUOTE]
The most popular comic character (Batman) does and has on more then one occasion.
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Wow... are we really harping on T'Challa crying now? wtf?
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Notice how in everyone one of these tear-shedding moments its private? They are not talking to invisible people, sobbing uncontrollably amongst a bunch of heroes while they look at him and pat him on the head. The Reed Richards/T'Challa "there there" moment was pathetic! T'Challa was chumped in a season of continual chumping.
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[QUOTE=Greg;375521]Wow... are we really harping on T'Challa crying now? wtf?[/QUOTE]
Most of us, no. But then again we are plagued my these b@#$%made emotions.
Real men bury that kind of stuff deep down and express only two emotions, anger and rage.
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[QUOTE=Spear of Bashenga;375584]Most of us, no. But then again we are plagued my these b@#$%made emotions.
Real men bury that kind of stuff deep down and express only two emotions, anger and rage.[/QUOTE]
Nope. you display those emotions at the appropriate times. When the universe is about to explode and heroes are deciding what to do about it =/= appropriate time.
T'Challa looked weak. Crying instead of acting.
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Suck it up champ. People are watching.
(This is sarcasm. I'm not actually mocking human tragedy.)
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[QUOTE=Spear of Bashenga;375604][IMG]http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfi2lahY3R1qfu4qzo1_500.png[/IMG]
Suck it up champ. People are watching.
(This is sarcasm so that don't think I'm actually mocking human tragedy.)[/QUOTE]
after the battle is an appropriate time. Crying instead of acting = failure. That T'Challa did this in front of other heroes is not characteristic of how he had previously been portrayed but whatever, I'm done with this.
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[QUOTE=Yaw;375580]Notice how in everyone one of these tear-shedding moments its private? They are not talking to invisible people, sobbing uncontrollably amongst a bunch of heroes while they look at him and pat him on the head. The Reed Richards/T'Challa "there there" moment was pathetic! T'Challa was chumped in a season of continual chumping.[/QUOTE]
He hasn't been chumped under hickman. I think posters here are complain about anything here now.
I guess it was also pathetic when T'challa was doing that to Strange in NA #11
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[QUOTE=Yaw;375640]after the battle is an appropriate time. Crying instead of acting = failure. That T'Challa did this in front of other heroes is not characteristic of how he had previously been portrayed but whatever, I'm done with this.[/QUOTE]
Dude, he was crying because he was about to lose both universes instead of performing planetary genocide. Every hero and villain we just showed cried for less. It doesn't matter if it's in front of people or not, the stakes and the decision he was about to make were appropriate for those tears.
Hell, if he started crying after blowing up the GS' world, that would be just as appropriate. Because it's mass genocide. I repeat, mass genocide.
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People also seem to forget that T'challa was [B]the first one[/B] to use the device. He's weilded the power and saw what it was capable of. He decided he couldn't do this to a living planet.