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PPl do need to see Black Panther begins. He isn't Spiderman with a zillion movies under his belt where you can gloss over a bunch of stuff.
And T'challa beats Tony in every medium. Why wouldn't he in the movies?
yes it's the fan in me saying some of this but the comic book/Marvel fan in me also tells me that the greatest warrior of the greatest nation on Marvel Earth should be able to beat Iron Man and the likes. We'll see what powerlevel they'll have him at though. But I do know this
in Comics he's a team wrecker (F4, Xmen, ect)
In Cartoons He's a team wrecker (The avengers minus Hulk and Thor in Emh and beat Iron Man in his own cartoon)
so in the movies you think he should struggle with Hawkeye?
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If it turns out Baron Zemo is framing Winter Soldier and that leads to a "I'm going to break your jaw moment" between Panther and Zemo, that'd be great.
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And T'challa beats Tony in every medium. Why wouldn't he in the movies?
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In the comics they at least struggle. In Enemy Of The State 2 the entire point was how evenly matched they were and how it was legitimate struggle throughout the arc. You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think T'Challa being able to hold his own against Stark on film, who is a FAR more popular character, wouldn't be seen as a feat or impressive. Particularly since the vast majority of people have never touched a Black Panther comic in their life and thus haven't experienced any past Panther vs. Iron Man fights.
[QUOTE]in Comics he's a team wrecker
In Cartoons He's a team wrecker[/QUOTE]
In the cartoon he got the drop on them by surprise and prep time/research, and once they rallied and attacked together he immediately ended the fight and revealed that he was only testing them. He clowned them but the fight wasn't over and it ended because he put up his hand. The entire point of that fight was him needing help from the Avengers because he couldn't liberate Wakanda on his own.
And I cannot stress this enough, but even if it weren't a case of him needing their help, they simply would not have T'Challa pwn and decisively eliminate all the other Avengers because it makes Cap, Iron Man, and all the other Avengers look completely useless. I don't know how people aren't getting this. They're not gonna make Cap and the Avengers look helpless and useless in a movie about Cap and the Avengers.
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[QUOTE=Ekie;1204259]PPl do need to see Black Panther begins. He isn't Spiderman with a zillion movies under his belt where you can gloss over a bunch of stuff.
And T'challa beats Tony in every medium. Why wouldn't he in the movies?
yes it's the fan in me saying some of this but the comic book/Marvel fan in me also tells me that the greatest warrior of the greatest nation on Marvel Earth should be able to beat Iron Man and the likes. We'll see what powerlevel they'll have him at though. But I do know this
in Comics he's a team wrecker (F4, Xmen, ect)
In Cartoons He's a team wrecker (The avengers minus Hulk and Thor in Emh and beat Iron Man in his own cartoon)
so in the movies you think he should struggle with Hawkeye?[/QUOTE]
If anyone us going to beat Tony in Civil War it will likely be Steve. Building up a conflict between Steve and Stark then having T'Challa come in out if nowhere to beat Stark really wouldn't be logical storytelling. That's really Steve' s fight especially in Steve's movie.
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Yeah, having or expecting T'Challa to beatdown the entire Avengers lineup is a bit much haha. It won't do him any favors with audiences and it wouldn't make sense in a film like this. However, he should look strong and be the highlight of any scene he's in(much like Vision/SW in AoU). You got to make the general audience go "damn that guy needs his own film" and build interest in his solo. This is his debut, and first impression is vital here.
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Some of yalls expectations are insane.
I may have to avoid this thread when the movie comes out unless they change the title of the movie to "Captain America: Civil War Until T'challa Whooped Everyone's Ass"
I mean come on
If T'challa gets ONE epic fight we should all be satisfied for THIS MOVIE. This isn't his movie, never was, will never be. This is a Steve story with a healthy dose of Tony Stark.
In Avengers 2, Stark and Steve got MCUH MUCH more screen time than everyone else... and that was in an AVENGERS film for 11 people. This is a CAPTAIN AMERICA film with Stark as the pseudovillain...this is going to be 90% Steve and Stark, 5% Zemo, and T'challa will be lucky to get 1%.
Comic and Cartoons =/= movies
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I would rather not have Bucky responsible for killing T'Chaka. I'd agree with Zemo framing him for it and having T'Challa track him down to get the truth. If Bucky is the killer and it all plays out in CA:Civil War then what's the impetus for the Black Panther movie? They sure as heck aren't going to feature Bucky in the movie as the villain. And Klaw stealing vibranium is a shallow premise for the Panther to want revenge against him. And really T'Challa doesn't need to defeat all the Avengers. He just needs to hold his own in the movie, enough to impress Steve and the others.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;1204460]I may have to avoid this thread when the movie comes out unless they change the title of the movie to [B]"Captain America: Civil War Until T'challa Whooped Everyone's Ass"[/B]
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I'd love that title just for the fact that it be absolutely insane for branding and merchandising tie-ins.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;1204475]I would rather not have Bucky responsible for killing T'Chaka. I'd agree with Zemo framing him for it and having T'Challa track him down to get the truth. If Bucky is the killer and it all plays out in CA:Civil War then what's the impetus for the Black Panther movie? They sure as heck aren't going to feature Bucky in the movie as the villain. And Klaw stealing vibranium is a shallow premise for the Panther to want revenge against him. And really T'Challa doesn't need to defeat all the Avengers. He just needs to hold his own in the movie, enough to impress Steve and the others.[/QUOTE]
If hypothetically Bucky was the killer, then the BP movie can still be about T'Challa going after the people responsible. Even if Bucky pulled the trigger he was really just someone else's weapon. The people REAL responsible can in theory still be out there.
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We might be getting something like the Avengers EMH situation where Klaw ends up killing a aged T'Chaka with his new bionic arm in revenge.
That would avoid setting part of the movie in the past.
Otherwise, you might very well have Flashback Bucky as the murderer of T'Chaka. In that case all the only thing Bucky would be is tool of the
Hydra leader that ordered the hit and that would be the guy that T'Challa would really be looking for.
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[QUOTE=XPac;1204622]If hypothetically Bucky was the killer, then the BP movie can still be about T'Challa going after the people responsible. Even if Bucky pulled the trigger he was really just someone else's weapon. The people REAL responsible can in theory still be out there.[/QUOTE]
It would still lesson the impact for the first movie because it's unlikely that WS will appear in the first BP movie as the villain. And they aren't going to wrap up that plot in Civil War if Bucky is the killer because that movie will be 95% Steve vs Tony like Mindofshadow pointed out. I don't think anyone wants he first BP movie to be about T'Challa tracking down some mysterious organization behind his fathers death. That sounds more like a set up for a second movie.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;1204690]It would still lesson the impact for the first movie because it's unlikely that WS will appear in the first BP movie as the villain. And they aren't going to wrap up that plot in Civil War if Bucky is the killer because that movie will be 95% Steve vs Tony like Mindofshadow pointed out. I don't think anyone wants he first BP movie to be about T'Challa tracking down some mysterious organization behind his fathers death. That sounds more like a set up for a second movie.[/QUOTE]
I honestly have no idea what his solo is going to be about. Such an odd timing... I thought Fiege confirmed it would be an origin story but if he is already the Black Panther in CW then... I don't know how that works.
And then being after Infinity War Part 1... (thanks Parker)
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It should be noted the Kevin Feigie has said Marvel isn't looking to do anymore origin stories. So it's best not to expect one for T'Challa.
The Origin of T'Challa actually isn't that important compared to idea of Wakanda (which Marvel has said they want to explore)
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;1204475]I would rather not have Bucky responsible for killing T'Chaka. I'd agree with Zemo framing him for it and having T'Challa track him down to get the truth. If Bucky is the killer and it all plays out in CA:Civil War then what's the impetus for the Black Panther movie? They sure as heck aren't going to feature Bucky in the movie as the villain. And Klaw stealing vibranium is a shallow premise for the Panther to want revenge against him. And really T'Challa doesn't need to defeat all the Avengers. He just needs to hold his own in the movie, enough to impress Steve and the others.[/QUOTE]
The only ppl that said anything about T'challa defeating the entire Avengers team were the ppl arguing against it. All we said was he shouldn't have trouble with the likes of Hawkeye and should get the better of Ironman too.
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It doesn't matter anyway.
they can't be dumb enough to have Winter Soldier kill T'chaka. Tool or not fans would want revenge. And Bucky shouldn't even be capable of such a feat without a team anyway.
Hopefully Panther is just looking for Hulk because of the damage he caused in Africa. Or Tony for creating Ultron and Ultron using vibranium to almost destroy the world.