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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;2858334]I agree. Nothing needs to be changed at all. T'Chaka will a good king was also pragmatic. He knew that there were things that needed to be done that wouldn't be traced back to the throne. Wakanda wouldn't have a wetworks/black ops team?[/QUOTE]
Not saying T'Chaka was necessarily wrong, but T'Challa doesn't seem to feel Wakanda needs one. Or at least they don't need one quite as brutal as the one they had when he came in power.
Then again, looking at things in hindsight, perhaps had T'Challa allowed things to be done the way his father did MAYBE some of the recent problems Wakanda has suffered wouldn't have happened. Hard to say. I'll bet Shuri would have no issues with a wetworks/black ops team.
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Well the original point wasn't about Hunters methods I think him being a pretty much Wakandan special ops is central to the character I don't think anyone is denying that, my thing was his origin I think some other posters said they like it but to me it just doesn't hold up and I was hoping for an update similar to what Hudlin did for T'Challa/T'Chaka/Klaw. From what we know of T'Chaka he didn't like outsiders why adopt one
But I don't think T'Challa has any beef with wetworks ops, because he used the original Midnight Angels in SW and Shuri used the HZ all through Hickman's Run. I think the beef is with Hunter and his methods or maybe it's just Hunter. Could T'Challa have unresolved daddy issues with his dad's "first" son?
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[QUOTE=C_haos;2858447]Well the original point wasn't about Hunters methods I think him being a pretty much Wakandan special ops is central to the character I don't think anyone is denying that, my thing was his origin I think some other posters said they like it but to me it just doesn't hold up and I was hoping for an update similar to what Hudlin did for T'Challa/T'Chaka/Klaw. From what we know of T'Chaka he didn't like outsiders why adopt one
But I don't think T'Challa has any beef with wetworks ops, because he used the original Midnight Angels in SW and Shuri used the HZ all through Hickman's Run. I think the beef is with Hunter and his methods or maybe it's just Hunter. Could T'Challa have unresolved daddy issues with his dad's "first" son?[/QUOTE]
I'm sure T'Challa is okay with a black ops unit up to a point... but clearly Hunter crossed certain lines which T'Challa didn't approve of. Given one is a super hero and the other is a super villain, that probably shouldn't be surprising.
Part of me hoped Shuri would have re-hired Hunter when she became ruler because honestly I thought Shuri was less squeemish about crossing certain lines.
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[QUOTE=dreyga2000;2846814]Reverse it
Rape camps cause Wakandans to lose faith in T'Challa[/QUOTE]
Where did the rape camps come from?
Reverse that.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;2847085]The question is not how Wakanda losing confidence in T'Challa translates to rape camps, the question is how rape camps translate to losing faith in T'Challa.[/QUOTE]
Where did the rape camps and misogyny come from?
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Since we're back on appreciation mode![/QUOTE]
I wasn't aware that the appreciation had stopped at any point.
Excellent scans by the way.
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Meh there is simply more to say when you hate something.
But I think the point has been hammered...Coates has an Anti-African Mindset and its bleeding into Wakanda being like Congo or North Nigeria.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2860109]I wasn't aware that the appreciation had stopped at any point.
Excellent scans by the way.[/QUOTE]
You're right, the appreciation never stopped BCB. Some of us just aren't going to accept everything put out there.
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[QUOTE=JediKage;2860204]Meh there is simply more to say when you hate something.
But I think the point has been hammered...Coates has an Anti-African Mindset and its bleeding into Wakanda being like Congo or North Nigeria.[/QUOTE]
As an established BP enthusiast any criticism I have for the way in which he's being portrayed currently is born out of appreciation for the character and his mythos pre-Coates.
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[QUOTE=JediKage;2860204]Meh there is simply more to say when you hate something.
But I think the point has been hammered...Coates has an Anti-African Mindset and its bleeding into Wakanda being like Congo or North Nigeria.[/QUOTE]
[B]I don't think that is necessarily True. Good stuff happening makes the conversation veer towards what to expect next or what other cools things we might see. Coates just continues to fail as usual [/B]
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2860097]Where did the rape camps and misogyny come from?[/QUOTE]
Misogyny, I can't comment on. But crime tends to occur during a breakdown in law and order, particularly among refugees and in war.
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[QUOTE=Mike_Murdock;2860308]Misogyny, I can't comment on. But crime tends to occur during a breakdown in law and order, particularly among refugees and in war.[/QUOTE]
Agreed 100%.
But as T'Challa reset Wakanda to before the arrival of Black Swan and the initial threat of the first Incursion, what breakdown in law, influx of refugees or incidence of war are we talking about?
Post AvX, T'Challa stood shoulder-to shoulder with his fellow Wakandans rebuilding Wakanda.
By the time we got to Hickman's New Avengers, Wakanda had rebuilt to such a degree that they were able to obliterate Atlantis in retaliation for Namor's genocidal attack on Wakanda.
They were also the only nation on Earth to stand firm against the initial invasion attempt by Thanos's forces and only fell to the second assault because of T'Challa's tactical error in keeping Queen Shuri in the dark about the Incursions as well as the horrors he had sequestered away upon Wakandan soil within the Necropolis.
If there had never been any rape camps depicted over the entire history of the BP mythos pre-Coates, how did the writer come to the conclusion that rape camps within Wakanda were all of a sudden a viable story trope to explore?
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2860357]
If there had never been any rape camps depicted over the entire history of the BP mythos pre-Coates, how did the writer come to the conclusion that rape camps within Wakanda were all of a sudden a viable story trope to explore?[/QUOTE]
Because it's easier to sell black misery without any push back of major issue.
It's harder to sell black success as Milestone, Priest, Redjack and many others have shown. Because everybody has an excuse and will constantly question the success.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;2860097]Where did the rape camps and misogyny come from?[/QUOTE]
Out of thin air because it sound's better than out of one's backside
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;2860456][B]It's harder to sell black success [/B]....[B]Because everybody has an excuse and will constantly question the success.[/B][/QUOTE]
Or find it unrealistic. What is it that has been said about this version of T'Challa and Wakanda? "It's more realistic."