[QUOTE=Rumble;3176078]Yessir. It's a 10/10 with the naming convention[/QUOTE]
[B]You know there is a 3rd option too.. Folks should vote
Na'Challa
T'Nakia
T'Chakia
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[QUOTE=Rumble;3176078]Yessir. It's a 10/10 with the naming convention[/QUOTE]
[B]You know there is a 3rd option too.. Folks should vote
Na'Challa
T'Nakia
T'Chakia
:cool:[/B]
[QUOTE=ed2962;3176843]I disagree. It pretty much help revitalize the superhero film genre which was thought to be on the decline after "Batman and Robin" ( George Clooney even joked that his movie killed the franchise). I think it's fair to suggest that many folks went to see it cuz it was Snipes rather than Blades's popularity as a comic book character, but after they'd seen it they were certainly aware that they'd seen a superhero film.
I will admit that Marvel dropped the ball on the comics side.[/QUOTE]
But Blade doesn't play like a super hero movie.
It plays like a grindhouse action horror flick. In fact the somewhat similar in tone Vampire$ came out the same year.
You could hate superheroes like poison and still love Blade because despite the main character having powers
there's nothing in it that's overtly superhero-ish (if that is even a word).
It's like the first Mask flick in that way. Or more to the point, the first Crow movie.
There's nothing superhero-y or comic book-y about any of those films. They all seem rooted in other
genres.
[QUOTE=Majesty;3176687]The main thing to always consider with the character of Nakia is that she is written in ways that allow her to play both sides if she chooses.
[B]Like I said, it's more a matter of "when" instead of "if" with her character if they are keeping even a semblance of how she is. It's just a matter of if it happens in this movie or not, it could happen in this film, it could happen midway through, it could happen at the very end, or it could happen in a sequel. [B]Main thing is going to be if Warmonger survives or not. [/B] [/B]
[B]If Warmonger survives, then we know we're eventually getting Malice. If Killmonger dies, we're likely not. [/B]
Don't forget, It's Killmonger who takes Nakia under his wing and through shenanigans, magic and ressurection she becomes Malice while with him.
I get the feeling that's still coming. You cannot do Black Panther, have Nakia and Killmonger in the same story, and [B]not[/B] eventually do Malice. Like I said, it's all a matter of if Killmonger survives the film or not.[/quote]
Nah, Coogler can do Black Panther, Nakia and Killmonger in the same story and [B]not[/B] do Malice, and the world wouldn't explode. lol.
He isn't boxed into doing anything with Lupita's character that he doesn't want to do, as he's already shown with how he's completely revamped her.
So if he [I]chooses[/I] to do it at the end of the 1st movie, or the 2nd movie or the 3rd movie... it'll be for a big emotional impact on T'Challa (betrayal from his lover and close friend of the family) and it'll make for some great acting between Chadwick and Lupita. Plus h2h throwdown between Nakia and Okoye.
But if it doesn't happen, the world will still turn and the fearsome foursome (BP, Nakia, Shuri, Okoye) will team up/pair-up against other villains. I'm not married to any theory of what happens 2 or 3 movies down the line, bc ish can change at a whim and my enjoyment aint tied to 3-6 years from now. Only to Feb 2018.
I'm here to check off a great T'Challa, great cast, great FEATS and Wakandan love in movie 1. If people want to have their arms crossed pouting in the theater watching her and T'Chadwick get lovey dovey on Valentines 2018 while secretly hoping she'll turn bad by 2022.. i think that's awesome lol. But also outside the scope of my priorities. Not that evil love interest Nakia wouldn't be cool too.
[quote]As far as Nakia and T'Challa's potential romance in the film, I really don't care who he's dating, be it Nikki, the singer, Nakia or Storm in these movies. I care more about the representations of the character.
Ie: If he's a romantic love interest to Nakia. Then don't portray Nakia is a fangirlish crazy stalker and have T'Challe reciprocate those feelings in about as unhealthy a relationship as you can get.[/quote]
I'm not worried, Coogler got us
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3177061][B]You know there is a 3rd option too.. Folks should vote
Na'Challa
T'Nakia
[SIZE=4]T'Chakia
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[QUOTE=Majesty;3176687]The main thing to always consider with the character of Nakia is that she is written in ways that allow her to play both sides if she chooses.
Like I said, it's more a matter of "when" instead of "if" with her character if they are keeping even a semblance of how she is. It's just a matter of if it happens in this movie or not, it could happen in this film, it could happen midway through, it could happen at the very end, or it could happen in a sequel. Main thing is going to be if Warmonger survives or not.
If Warmonger survives, then we know we're eventually getting Malice. If Killmonger dies, we're likely not.
Don't forget, It's Killmonger who takes Nakia under his wing and through shenanigans, magic and ressurection she becomes Malice while with him. [/quote]
[B]Its not reallty a when instead of if scenario. Because the Movies don't follow the comics to the T, Jane foster is completely different in Thor then she is in the comics, Same with Pepper, as in Iron man 3 she gets some weird powers which i don't think came from the comics at all (i could be wrong as i don't read ironman) So its not a guarantee that she is going to turn into Malice. when Nakia became Malice, it was Achebe who found her first. But again there wasn't much development for Malice as a character past the initial arc so the movie actually allows for there to be a bigger character development that the Comics would be smart to bring her back into the mix for. [/B]
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I get the feeling that's still coming. You cannot do Black Panther, have Nakia and Killmonger in the same story, and [B]not[/B] eventually do Malice. Like I said, it's all a matter of if Killmonger survives the film or not.
As far as Nakia and T'Challa's potential romance in the film, I really don't care who he's dating, be it Nikki, the singer, Nakia or Storm in these movies. I care more about the representations of the character.
Ie: If he's a romantic love interest to Nakia. Then don't portray Nakia is a fangirlish crazy stalker and have T'Challe reciprocate those feelings in about as unhealthy a relationship as you can get.
From what N'yongo has said, and from what I've heard and read, as well as for those that actually got to see the forest fight she's in luckily enough, she comes across as a secret agent. They are also taking some of the Storm story conflict as well where Ororo was conflicted by her duty to the X-Men and her love for T'Challa. In the film, this will be Nakia. And as they can't use the "X-Men" they are using the 'Dora Milaje' for that purpose of conflict between who she is and who she may want to be.
But she is also described by Nyongo herself as a "war dog". Take from what whatever you wish to. [/QUOTE]
[B]Why can't they have the 3 of them and not have her become Malice? The movies have seem to have already made it so that T'challa, Erik, and Nakia seem to be childhood friends, rather then T'challa and Erik being strangers who have to deal with one another due to their fathers sins, or Nakia being taken in as a DM as a young girl and fan girling over T'challa. They are now seen on a more equal standing in terms of them being colleagues rather then her being a love struck teenager. Yes she described herself as a war dog, which more so sounds like they are likely going to bring the Hatute Zeraze in some form eventually into the movies (hopefully) as that is where that name derives from. You can do a story where she is conflicted without her doing a villain turn. Again the synergy and team ups with T'Challa, Shuri, Okoye and Nakia is too good to waste if done right (which it likely will)[/B]
[QUOTE]So the main thing will be the conflict in what Nakia wants vs what T'Challa wants, towards how far Nakia will go, to how far T'Challa is willing to go.
If Warmonger survives, I don't doubt that Malice is coming, and once more, the prospect of Lupita Nyongo playing the villainous Malice would be very interesting.
I'll also be looking towards seeing if there seems to be a rivalry of sorts between Nakia and the other high ranked members of the Dora Milaje. The one in particular that T'Challa seems closest to. If I start seeing the two of them banter, and it becomes an intentional thing and not a 'zinger', then it will be very interesting.
I do think Nakia will be a departure from her comics form, but in terms of the fangirl stalker... not in terms of the war dog whom eventually becomes Malice.
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[B]Again as the trailers have shown, i don't think there is some big heel turn coming as you can see Erik fighting Against Nakia and Shuri in one scene. She shoulnd't just become Malice just because she became Malice in Priest run, She wasn't really developed as a long term villain or even anything like that. Had there been more stories about her after Priests run then yes i agree movie Nakia would likely turn into Malice but as of right now she is pretty much a clean slate to take whatever direction. [/B]
[quote]Part of me also wonders if however Thor Ragnarok does will also weigh into that decision ultimately as it has a female co-lead whom is also the main antagonist of the story.
I also understand that Black Panther at best will have three films, depending upon how this movie does, and how the next movie does.
if Nakia winds up becoming Malice, I don't see it becoming a "Batman and Catwoman" lovers quirrel kind of thing.
I think Malice's main competition would be T'Challa's sister Shuri(who is getting her own suit..it's [B]gonna[/B] happen), and T'Challa will be occupied with Klaw. I'll take a Malice v Shuri rivalry in a heartbeat.
What I don't want to see is a character like Shuri however, relegated to essentially the [B]Q[/B] role, and nothing else.[/QUOTE]
[B]Well given in the Teaser and the main trailer we see her dawn her own combat gear and sporting the Panther canons, i think its safe to say she will actually contribute to the fighting in some form as well.
And There would be a Batman and Catwoman type situation if they chose to do so because Again Movie Nakia is already vastly different then Comic Nakia.[/B]
[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3176433][B] Exactly, there are more stories to tell with the synergy of T'Challa, Okoye, Nakia, and Shuri grouped up then to make Nakia turn which would be weird Given how lots to Wakanda and Tchalla she is being shown off as.[/B][/QUOTE]
Agreed. The fearsome foursome is a better angle to go with moving forward IMO.
They have a lot of great options when you think about it.
Goku and Vegeta = T'Challa and Erik
The Big 3 = T'Challa, Erik, M'Baku
T'Challa's Angels = Shuri, Okoye, Nakia
The Fearsome Foursome = T'Challa, Nakia, Shuri, Okoye
The Siblings = T'Challa and Shuri
Wakandan Love = T'Challa and Nakia
The Priest OGs = Okoye and Nakia
[QUOTE=Rumble;3177107]I'm not worried, Coogler got us
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Bruh Black Panther is already the most stylish superhero film ever. I'm actually mad about it. I want to dress like that everyday dammit!
[QUOTE=Rumble;3174733]I don't know... T'Challa has dated 2 women in his 50 year history, and the first one lasted 30 years. Is that really having a fetish? Hudlin explained that if Storm wasn't available his plan was to have T'Challa marry a Wakandan woman, and Priest had T'Challa and Nakia in a Bruce/Selina angle. Now Coogler has Nakia as the cinematic significant other.
Which is consistent with his father because wasn't T'Chaka's first wife, N'Yami (BP's actual mother) Wakandan? Like father like son? lol
I think the fetish angle is some nonsense some idiots in the past year rolled with to supplement a theory that T'Challa doesn't want to be king or like Wakanda much. But now here he is.. wanting to be king and having a Wakandan love interest. Is that weird?[/QUOTE]
If anything, the lack of belt notches shows that T'Challa is not garden tool!
I do think T'Challa should have a Wakandan ride or die version of Lady Dorma, even if the relationship is off & on.
It looks like we might get that with the film version of Nakia.
[QUOTE=ed2962;3176843]I disagree. It pretty much help revitalize the superhero film genre which was thought to be on the decline after "Batman and Robin" ( George Clooney even joked that his movie killed the franchise). I think it's fair to suggest that many folks went to see it cuz it was Snipes rather than Blades's popularity as a comic book character, but after they'd seen it they were certainly aware that they'd seen a superhero film.
I will admit that Marvel dropped the ball on the comics side.[/QUOTE]
I guess the issue is like Punisher, Blade really isn't a super hero in the conventional sense. Because vampires fall under a different genre, the sucess of Blade isn't necessarily an indicator of whether a Fantastic Four movie or an X-Men movie is viable. They're too different, hence Blade getting an R rating. It's target audience is completely different than what most super hero flicks go for.
It's easier to see a sucessful X-Men and assume a Fantastic Four movie might be viable than it would to see a Blade movie and assume a Captain America movie would be viable. They're different to the point where a difference audience altogether is being catered to.
I'm not saying Blade didn't have an effect on the comic genre... just that it had less of one than more obvious comic book super hero movies, which directly catered to the target audience buying the comics and toys and watching the cartoons. Blade is just a bit more outside of the box.
[QUOTE=Jabare;3174803]he was very dangerous. I'm just personally not a fan of enhanced/monster Klaw[/QUOTE]
Klaw was kinda Green Lantern-ish. I think Klaw should be above street level heroes.
[QUOTE=Rumble;3174814]It was greatness.
She was and still is a very underrated character. She did a lot of ish... but also went through a lot of ish.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, who knows what Achebe did to her....
Has anybody read the Black Panther Movie Prelude? Its a totally new story set ten years ago, when T'Challa first became Black Panther, and right at the moment Tony Stark revealed himself as Iron Man. There are alot of things that are revealed and confirmed for the MCU. Its a good read, and a good setup for the movie. Here are a couple pages.
[img]http://readcomics.website/uploads/manga/marvels-black-panther-prelude-2017/chapters/1/06.jpg[/img]
[img]http://readcomics.website/uploads/manga/marvels-black-panther-prelude-2017/chapters/1/08.jpg[/img]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3177121][B]Its not reallty a when instead of if scenario. Because the Movies don't follow the comics to the T, Jane foster is completely different in Thor then she is in the comics, Same with Pepper, as in Iron man 3 she gets some weird powers which i don't think came from the comics at all (i could be wrong as i don't read ironman) So its not a guarantee that she is going to turn into Malice. when Nakia became Malice, it was Achebe who found her first. But again there wasn't much development for Malice as a character past the initial arc so the movie actually allows for there to be a bigger character development that the Comics would be smart to bring her back into the mix for. [/B]
[B]Why can't they have the 3 of them and not have her become Malice? The movies have seem to have already made it so that T'challa, Erik, and Nakia seem to be childhood friends, rather then T'challa and Erik being strangers who have to deal with one another due to their fathers sins, or Nakia being taken in as a DM as a young girl and fan girling over T'challa. They are now seen on a more equal standing in terms of them being colleagues rather then her being a love struck teenager. Yes she described herself as a war dog, which more so sounds like they are likely going to bring the Hatute Zeraze in some form eventually into the movies (hopefully) as that is where that name derives from. You can do a story where she is conflicted without her doing a villain turn. Again the synergy and team ups with T'Challa, Shuri, Okoye and Nakia is too good to waste if done right (which it likely will)[/B]
[B]Again as the trailers have shown, i don't think there is some big heel turn coming as you can see Erik fighting Against Nakia and Shuri in one scene. She shoulnd't just become Malice just because she became Malice in Priest run, She wasn't really developed as a long term villain or even anything like that. Had there been more stories about her after Priests run then yes i agree movie Nakia would likely turn into Malice but as of right now she is pretty much a clean slate to take whatever direction. [/B]
[B]Well given in the Teaser and the main trailer we see her dawn her own combat gear and sporting the Panther canons, i think its safe to say she will actually contribute to the fighting in some form as well.
And There would be a Batman and Catwoman type situation if they chose to do so because Again Movie Nakia is already vastly different then Comic Nakia.[/B][/QUOTE]
MCU versions aren't direct translations of the comic book versions... but there are attempts at making them at least fit with the spirit of the source material.
Yes, Jane foster is not a nurse. But she is Thors love interest rather than say a super villain. THey didn't completely alter her function and turn her into Titania or anything like that. She has a different backstory but effectively follows the same function in the story as she does in the comics.
SO while it's no gurantee that Nakia will become Malice, it's not unreasonable to conclude that anymore than it's unreasonable to conclude Norman Osborn will eventually become the Green Goblin in a Spider-Man movie. If you are a comic fan you know who this character is. She's a character who is initially loyal to T'Challa before doing a heel turn. That may not happen... but in the same breath no one should be surprised if it does.
I'll say if they do decide to go a different right, that's perfectly fine and they have every right to do that. Movies aren't necessarily beholden to follow the source material. But they do often try to stay true to the spirit of the source material even if they obviously can't be direct translations of it. So pretty much across the board the heroes in the comics typically are heroes in the movies, and villains in the comics typically are villains in the movies. If Nakia ends up not falling in that established pattern (and again it's perfectly fine if she doesn't), then she's more the exception than the rule.
[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3176753]T'Challa can definitely do better than a traitor who escorted mutant terrorists onto sovereign Wakandan soil before jumping into bed with a serial womaniser just after assaulting T'Challa and declaring him to be a "bad husband."[/QUOTE]
When you put it like that....I think this.....
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[QUOTE=marcotheblerd;3177184]Has anybody read the Black Panther Movie Prelude? Its a totally new story set ten years ago, when T'Challa first became Black Panther, and right at the moment Tony Stark revealed himself as Iron Man. There are alot of things that are revealed and confirmed for the MCU. Its a good read, and a good setup for the movie. Here are a couple pages.
[img]http://readcomics.website/uploads/manga/marvels-black-panther-prelude-2017/chapters/1/06.jpg[/img]
[img]http://readcomics.website/uploads/manga/marvels-black-panther-prelude-2017/chapters/1/08.jpg[/img]
[img]http://readcomics.website/uploads/manga/marvels-black-panther-prelude-2017/chapters/1/10.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
I didn't love it per say in terms of writing or art, but it was an interesting read.
And we got to see one BP rogue I hope will make it into the MCU proper at some point. That was kinda cool.