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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3775673][COLOR="#000080"]Thanks. I'm looking forward to this.
Wish there was a way you could get a BP title, even if it's just a mini. We need something different.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
I think there'd be an uproar if they gave ti to me. I'd make too many changes that fans who LOVE the Coates version would feel betrayed. I never think that's a good idea. I like Coates's take even though it's not what I would have done. I think whoever takes over after him needs to work with what he leaves them.
here's something fun, though.
[IMG]https://pre00.deviantart.net/1ee2/th/pre/i/2018/121/1/5/fake_marvel_cover__16_by_winterjack-dcae7tf.jpg[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=Redjack;3775684]I think there'd be an uproar if they gave ti to me. I'd make too many changes that fans who LOVE the Coates version would feel betrayed. I never think that's a good idea. I like Coates's take even though it's not what I would have done. I think whoever takes over after him needs to work with what he leaves them.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]I can respect that and that's what a professional does. But hey, let the uproar come, we got your back :cool:.
But many of us feel that we were betrayed by what Coates has done. We wanted to see afro-futurism and for the next writer to pick up where Hickman left off, with BP and Wakanda looking to the stars. I think we took two huge step backwards.
Whoever comes next, I hope he or she cleans up a lot of the messy plot holes left behind.
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[QUOTE=Redjack;3775684]I think there'd be an uproar if they gave ti to me. I'd make too many changes that fans who LOVE the Coates version would feel betrayed. I never think that's a good idea. I like Coates's take even though it's not what I would have done. I think whoever takes over after him needs to work with what he leaves them.
here's something fun, though.
[url]https://pre00.deviantart.net/1ee2/th/pre/i/2018/121/1/5/fake_marvel_cover__16_by_winterjack-dcae7tf.jpg[/url][/QUOTE]
Now, that is nice....
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[QUOTE=Redjack;3775684]I think there'd be an uproar if they gave ti to me. I'd make too many changes that fans who LOVE the Coates version would feel betrayed. I never think that's a good idea. I like Coates's take even though it's not what I would have done. I think whoever takes over after him needs to work with what he leaves them.
here's something fun, though.
[IMG]https://pre00.deviantart.net/1ee2/th/pre/i/2018/121/1/5/fake_marvel_cover__16_by_winterjack-dcae7tf.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
That is nice. She is going to need a story for that costume.
Patrolling the jungle/river border region between Wakanda and Niganda. More myth than real only spoken about with a whisper and in shadows.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3775547][IMG]https://media2.giphy.com/media/l41K3TZVlmaky5teM/source.gif[/IMG]
I'd rather have the woman who cratered the America Chavez book than that overrated Scotsman.[/QUOTE]
[B]Maybe it was Mark Waid actually. But ooj the is, I want a professional, who likes the character to write him. Race doesn't matter if they come correct[/B]
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[QUOTE=Redjack;3775684]I think there'd be an uproar if they gave ti to me. I'd make too many changes that fans who LOVE the Coates version would feel betrayed. I never think that's a good idea. I like Coates's take even though it's not what I would have done. I think whoever takes over after him needs to work with what he leaves them.
here's something fun, though.
[IMG]https://pre00.deviantart.net/1ee2/th/pre/i/2018/121/1/5/fake_marvel_cover__16_by_winterjack-dcae7tf.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]That's sweet!
This would have been really cool to come out when the movie did.
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3775360][COLOR="#000080"]If you're going to get someone who never wrote comics before, at least get someone who likes BP and respects the work of the best writers who came before.
You don't just strip all that away because your own misguided interpretation of what you think BP and Wakanda are.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
And that's what pisses me off the most.
Dude just came in on some arrogant BS and just frak'd up an entire pre-existing mythos just to build up his favourite character as opposed to the character whose name actually appears on the freaking books cover.
There is no other franchise in the MU where this level of nonsense would be accepted let alone celebrated.
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[QUOTE=Redjack;3775636]first off, thank you for the kind words.
the truth is "my" Black Panther remains too different from the way Coates has spun him for me to make a meaningful contribution to the MAIN title. In comics.
However I just spent nearly two years on this as Head Writer-Showrunner. Click it.
[URL="https://www.cbr.com/avengers-assemble-retitled-black-panther-quest/"][ATTACH=CONFIG]68015[/ATTACH][/URL]
If you think you know what to expect, I promise you, you don't. this season is NOTHING like anything Marvel's Avengers has ever tried before. It's not the movie. it's not the comic. it's its own thing.
They haven't given a release date yet but, when it drops you will feel it.[/QUOTE]
Good to see you here after a while of absence. Excited to see this.
However, do you know when we can expect to see a first look at the new series?
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3775813]And that's what pisses me off the most.
Dude just came in on some arrogant BS and just frak'd up an entire pre-existing mythos just to build up his favourite character as opposed to the character whose name actually appears on the freaking books cover.
There is no other franchise in the MU where this level of nonsense would be accepted let alone celebrated.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]That's like turning the Superman comic into a book for Lois Lane and saying that Superman never wanted to be a hero. He just did heroic stuff to meet girls.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3775793][B]Maybe it was Mark Waid actually. But ooj the is, I want a professional, who likes the character to write him. Race doesn't matter if they come correct[/B][/QUOTE]
I'd accept Waid. He's a pro.
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[QUOTE=dkrook;3775556]You droppin' bars on this sir! Sometimes the weight of truth crushes![/QUOTE]
My Bro, forum rules prevent me from really cutting loose on how much I detest Coates and all the garbage he's pushed through T'Challa's supposed "solo" book.
Suffice it to say that sans rules, my language would be a lot less genteel.
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[QUOTE=Redjack;3775636]first off, thank you for the kind words.
the truth is "my" Black Panther remains too different from the way Coates has spun him for me to make a meaningful contribution to the MAIN title. In comics.
However I just spent nearly two years on this as Head Writer-Showrunner. Click it.
[URL="https://www.cbr.com/avengers-assemble-retitled-black-panther-quest/"][ATTACH=CONFIG]68015[/ATTACH][/URL]
If you think you know what to expect, I promise you, you don't. this season is NOTHING like anything Marvel's Avengers has ever tried before. It's not the movie. it's not the comic. it's its own thing.
They haven't given a release date yet but, when it drops you will feel it.[/QUOTE]
[B]To be honest, I don't see your version being a bad thing. The reason I say that is because Coates already took the good that came before it and altered it into negatives to fit his story and then ignored it afterwards.
Alot of the hard work priest and hudlin out in was changed to force a contrived story,and turn Wakanda into allegories for the real world or put it into a state of stereotypical Africa. All for the sake of saying "hey Wakanda isn't a Utopia" which was never the case but instead of finding a balance he went heavy the opposite way Hudlin went. So like I said a year ago. I would say whatever your take on BP would be, I am all for it. Don't say your take wouldn't make a meaningful contribution because anyone who actually cares will make an impression. As long as his core Characteristics, behavior and idealogy I intact. It would mean something. Especially to long time and dedicated fans.
As for the show. I've seen your BP specific episodes and you have set the bar high. So I expect big things and I am excited to see it unfold. That is our T'Challa you were showing. [/B]
[QUOTE=Redjack;3775684]I think there'd be an uproar if they gave ti to me. I'd make too many changes that fans who LOVE the Coates version would feel betrayed. I never think that's a good idea. I like Coates's take even though it's not what I would have done. I think whoever takes over after him needs to work with what he leaves them.
here's something fun, though.
[IMG]https://pre00.deviantart.net/1ee2/th/pre/i/2018/121/1/5/fake_marvel_cover__16_by_winterjack-dcae7tf.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
[B]I don't think there would be an uproar to be honest. Solid story telling, Characterization, and respect for the mythos are more important then who's name is on the book. And if there was an uproar. Just know this board would stand behind you all the way. Plus there are ways to address what was left before you While making the shift to your own idea. Plus there are more then a few things Coates will leave behind that really need to be retconned away because they Ultimately hurt the Mythos.
I am digging the look and I would read the **** out of that. Frankly that looks a 1000% better then the ma and Shuris been designs (no offense to Stelfreeze but those were the weaker of his ideas)
What would be wrong with having two ongoing titles? Your version being able to do what you want and take Tchalla on a different path? Coates doesn't have Wakanda associate much with the greater MU so that gives room to tell stories out there (or keep it in Wakanda, I wouldn't care) the point is, if spider Man can have multiple titles and x men, and Deadpool, and Ironman and Cap, and antman and wasp. Then I don't see what's wrong with T'Challa getting the same treatment
I mean I say if you got a Solid pitch? Go for it, there would undoubtedly be people who Loved your work even though it's vastly different from Coates (which is a good thing, he is setting a bad precedent for how Tchalla operates)
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3775596][COLOR="#000080"]Was it a case of Priest not liking BP in particular or was it that he didn't wanted to be handed only Black characters to write?
I'd still want someone who likes BP and is interested in writing him. There's too much risk for BP to have someone write him who doesn't like him. Maberry did good in the beginning only to frak BP real bad in the end.
I don't think that's a risk we want to take again.
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Unfortunately, we don't have any any say in what transpires within the book due to the fact that the BP fan base remains amongst one of the most fractured as far as the comic side of things go.
Most of us stay buying the book regardless of what rubbish is pushed through it which in turn, gives the publishers a completely false impression as to how we'll received the book is amongst actual fans as opposed to the occasional passers-by who only wax loquacious when everyone else but T'challa and his genuine support get forward momentum development.
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3775836]Unfortunately, we don't have any any say in what transpires within the book due to the fact that the BP fan base remains amongst one of the most fractured as far as the comic side of things go.
Most of us stay buying the book regardless of what rubbish is pushed through it which in turn, gives the publishers a completely false impression as to how we'll received the book is amongst actual fans as opposed to the occasional passers-by who only wax loquacious when everyone else but T'challa and his genuine support get forward momentum development.[/QUOTE]
[B]I don't know if it's as much the case now. Infact, Coates run has Been dropping quickly (not as fast as it could be but still fast that's another topic) but T this point it's marvel who is saving his butt by throwing out deals to artificially up the sales and doing a renumbering after only two seasons of writing. So marvel knows Coates name ain't selling good like it was before on BP. They are trying to keep it alive rather then getting someone else who could put in some real work like they are doing on the animation side *hint hint* on the main title [/B]
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[QUOTE=Mr MajestiK;3775836]Unfortunately, we don't have any any say in what transpires within the book due to the fact that the BP fan base remains amongst one of the most fractured as far as the comic side of things go.
Most of us stay buying the book regardless of what rubbish is pushed through it which in turn, gives the publishers a completely false impression as to how we'll received the book is amongst actual fans as opposed to the occasional passers-by who only wax loquacious when everyone else but T'challa and his genuine support get forward momentum development.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]Coates had to shake things up with the relaunch. Sales continued to drop because his "humanizing" BP stories were boring as hell.
If people are buying BP for every other character except him, then the book would have continued to fail to the point of cancellation.
That's why we get the Wakandan Space empire, an idea brought up in this very thread.
What does he do? More action in 2 issues than he had in his first arc. That tells you that he either he or Marvel was listening to the criticisms.
Dialogue is still meh. The art is telling the story. We heard that one before.
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