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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3676729][COLOR="#000080"]He would think that exactly.
The Deviants did not exist before humans. They, along with the Eternals were created by using human DNA from prehistoric man.
The Deviants wanted to use mankind as slaves and rule the world while the Eternals tried to protect man and prepare for the return of the Celestials.
Lord Ghaur made the statement not because Deviants originated in Wakanda but because they considered themselves conquerors and enslaved men and believed themselves the ruler of Earth.
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I remain thankful for the worthy, fact based contributions provided by MoS, BoG and your esteemed self.
Reading posts proffered by actual BP enthusiasts remains my singule pleasure and sole reason for continuing to subject myself to the ritual abuse by way of a proxy X-Men/Storm "appreciation" thread.
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[QUOTE=BBeeryan;3676788]Again, this isn't about how anyone feels the story was handled. My point is to call attention to clear and present misconceptions that don't quite stand up to scrutiny. One of my points was about how I always read that Coates ignores continuity. That is not the case when you look at the facts. I don't care about anybody's feelings on the matter. I'm talking about objective truths, Reggie. Coates was following up on established continuity. I was able to understand this simply by rereading my hardback Worlds Apart trade. He may not have followed up on the continuity that many may have wished for him to, but his story is directly informed by both Priest and Hudlin. I don't know how else to better highlight that point. I'm not sure how anyone could disagree with these points I've presented. But if someone is still unclear about my message I can explain further.[/QUOTE]
I am not sure how World's Apart helps any purposed argument for Coates S2.
All World's Apart confirmed is that Wakanda did not trust Storm fully. They were perfectly willing to capture/kill her on "T'challa's" command until Bast told them to stop.
They did not see her as a god. They saw her as an outsider. Bast herself did not see her as a god, only a pretend phony and chastised her for not giving herself to T'challa and Wakanda.
And this is all before AvX, where Wakanda watched Storm choose the X-men over Wakanda, and then watched Storm's teammate drown the Golden City, and then watched T'challa call off the marriage.
If anything, World's Apart and AvX make me wonder why Wakandans were so happy to see her and deify her when the recent history between Storm and Wakanda was tenuous at best.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3677234]I am not sure how World's Apart helps any purposed argument for Coates S2.
All World's Apart confirmed is that Wakanda did not trust Storm fully. They were perfectly willing to capture/kill her on "T'challa's" command until Bast told them to stop.
They did not see her as a god. They saw her as an outsider. Bast herself did not see her as a god, only a pretend phony and chastised her for not giving herself to T'challa and Wakanda.
And this is all before AvX, where Wakanda watched Storm choose the X-men over Wakanda, and then watched Storm's teammate drown the Golden City, and then watched T'challa call off the marriage.
If anything, World's Apart and AvX make me wonder why Wakandans were so happy to see her and deify her when the recent history between Storm and Wakanda was tenuous at best.[/QUOTE]
Considering their actual god has seemingly been AWOL for quite some time during a series of big crisis, while Storm has actually showed up to work I wonder maybe some Wakandans might be willing to trade up. Bast hasn't been doing anything lately, but Storm is right here willing to help out... I think Storm might to some degree be filling a missing void.
Not that Storm didn't have to earn their trust again to some degree... that was what the earlier story was about.
But it also somewhat shows the fickle nature of the average joe in the MU in general. They probably turned on her a bit too quickly in Worlds Apart (and after the fact at least that incident should have actually taught them to be more open minded about Storm since they were in the wrong and she was actually helping them), but they fell back in line quickly enough in this run. They can run hot and cold over T'Challa in recent times, and you can say the general masses act that way about heroes in general.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3677288]Considering their actual god has seemingly been AWOL for quite some time during a series of big crisis, while Storm has actually showed up to work I wonder maybe some Wakandans might be willing to trade up. Bast hasn't been doing anything lately, but Storm is right here willing to help out... I think Storm might to some degree be filling a missing void.
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Using this logic, they might as well prayed to Eden. Do you know how much gas that dude has saved Wakanda? Lowering carbon emissions every single day.
The Unsung Hero.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3677302]Using this logic, they might as well prayed to Eden. Do you know how much gas that dude has saved Wakanda? Lowering carbon emissions every single day.
The Unsung Hero.[/QUOTE]
Unsung hero is sort if the point of that dude. Because he's transportation, he is very important but seldom actually saves the day. But he should get more credit than he does. You almost just take him for granted.
Not a perfect analog but he's almost the drummer in the band rather than the lead singer or guitar. Very important but seldom gets the spotlight they deserve.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3677288]But it also somewhat shows the fickle nature of the average joe in the MU in general. They probably turned on her a bit too quickly in Worlds Apart (and after the fact at least that incident should have actually taught them to be more open minded about Storm since they were in the wrong and she was actually helping them), but they fell back in line quickly enough in this run. They can run hot and cold over T'Challa in recent times, and you can say the general masses act that way about heroes in general.[/QUOTE]
This is a really good point. The general population of the MU, especially in the X-books, are INSANELY fickle. They can be cheering a hero/team one issue, and protesting the next, only to immediately pivot back to adoration once the villain's evil plan is revealed.
Hell, the only Marvel citizen I can think of with a consistent love-hate pattern is JJJ, and he's an a-hole. ;)
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IW is outpacing Black Panther domestically.
It didn't drop nearly as hard as expected with DP2 coming out.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3677836]IW is outpacing Black Panther domestically.
It didn't drop nearly as hard as expected with DP2 coming out.[/QUOTE]
No it's not.
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[QUOTE=blacksonic;3677971]No it's not.[/QUOTE]
BP Week 4: 561 million [url]http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=marvel2017b.htm[/url]
IW Week 4: 595 million [url]http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=marvel0518.htm[/url]
If you have a better source that makes you so confident, go ahead and drop those links. Otherwise.....
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Oh hey, remember when we said people calling for movies of supporting characters happens every. single. time. Especially when they are minorities... well here we go for DP2
[B]Give Zazie Beetz Her Own Domino Marvel Movie, Immediately[/B]
[url]https://www.theringer.com/movies/2018/5/21/17376990/domino-deadpool-2-zazie-beetz-marvel-movie-franchise[/url]
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I think he didn't know what outpacing meant
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3678020]BP Week 4: 561 million [url]http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=marvel2017b.htm[/url]
IW Week 4: 595 million [url]http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=marvel0518.htm[/url]
If you have a better source that makes you so confident, go ahead and drop those links. Otherwise.....
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Oh hey, remember when we said people calling for movies of supporting characters happens every. single. time. Especially when they are minorities... well here we go for DP2
[B]Give Zazie Beetz Her Own Domino Marvel Movie, Immediately[/B]
[url]https://www.theringer.com/movies/2018/5/21/17376990/domino-deadpool-2-zazie-beetz-marvel-movie-franchise[/url][/QUOTE]
If you knew how the boxoffice worked you would know it's not really outpacing BP. It's a small chance it pass BP. Only way it pass BP is if Disney takes Bp out the theater before it hits 700m. Shuri and Domino earned people asking for a film.
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[QUOTE=blacksonic;3678075]If you knew how the boxoffice worked you would know it's not really outpacing BP. [/QUOTE]
Go ahead and enlighten me then. I'll gladly learn from an expert in the field.
Or heck, i'll gladly read any really long article that explains this if you don't to waste your time explaining to a box office newb like myself.
And of course. Domino and Shuri "earned" asking for a film... just like Valkryie, Miles Morales, Bucky, Widow, Fury/SHIELD, x23, and every other supporting character/easter egg the internet loves for a couple months when a film comes out :)
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3678079]Go ahead and enlighten me then. I'll gladly learn from an expert in the field.
Or heck, i'll gladly read any really long article that explains this if you don't to waste your time explaining to a box office newb like myself.
And of course. Domino and Shuri "earned" asking for a film... just like Valkryie, Miles Morales, Bucky, Widow, Fury/SHIELD, x23, and every other supporting character/easter egg the internet loves for a couple months when a film comes out :)[/QUOTE]
You can enlighten yourself. You love downplaying "minorities". Always downplaying how important Storm and Shuri is to the Black panther series. Domino and Shuri earned people asking for solo films because they are great characters.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3678020]BP Week 4: 561 million [url]http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=marvel2017b.htm[/url]
IW Week 4: 595 million [url]http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=marvel0518.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
What I take from this is IW won't have the legs BP has but it will hit the billion dollar mark [domestically] sooner than BP will. The idea is for IW to get its money quickly and that appears to be occurring.
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[QUOTE=blacksonic;3678103]You can enlighten yourself.[/QUOTE]
So, again, another poster who refuses to provide anything to back up what they are saying.
I provided sources to what I said. I am not downplaying the BP movie, simply providing an update because I assumed people may be interested.
The fact we are even having a BP vs IW discussion just proves how damn successful the BP solo is.
That doesn't mean it isn't interesting to compare box office numbers.
And for your second point, slow your roll Kareem. I am not downplaying "minorities." I am downplaying supporting characters. We are discussing Black Panther and his supporting characters tend to be minorities. Context.
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[QUOTE=Nate Grey]What I take from this is IW won't have the legs BP has but it will hit the billion dollar mark [domestically] sooner than BP will. The idea is for IW to get its money quickly and that appears to be occurring.[/QUOTE]
I think you are getting some stuff confused. BP hasn't hit a billion domestic (its inching closer and closer to 700 million). In fact, no movie has ever hit a billion dollars domestic. SW: TFA got the closest with 936.
Source: [url]http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic.htm[/url]
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3678132]I think you are getting some stuff confused. BP hasn't hit a billion domestic (its inching closer and closer to 700 million). In fact, no movie has ever hit a billion dollars domestic. SW: TFA got the closest with 936.
Source: [url]http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
1) I said will, not did. I'm not confused you can't read.
2) And so there is no more "confusion" what exactly is your point? IW is outpacing BP...ok? Did anyone not think that wouldn't happen?
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3678020]BP Week 4: 561 million [url]http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=marvel2017b.htm[/url]
IW Week 4: 595 million [url]http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=marvel0518.htm[/url]
If you have a better source that makes you so confident, go ahead and drop those links. Otherwise.....
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Oh hey, remember when we said people calling for movies of supporting characters happens every. single. time. Especially when they are minorities... well here we go for DP2
[B]Give Zazie Beetz Her Own Domino Marvel Movie, Immediately[/B]
[url]https://www.theringer.com/movies/2018/5/21/17376990/domino-deadpool-2-zazie-beetz-marvel-movie-franchise[/url][/QUOTE]
Doubt IW will pass BP domestically considering the percent drop and the fact that solo is opening this weekend but only time will tell.
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[QUOTE=Dboi654;3678154]Doubt IW will pass BP domestically considering the percent drop and the fact that solo is opening this weekend but only time will tell.[/QUOTE]
I think the argument is that the drop against Deadpool wasn't as great as people thought it would be, but then again I forgot about Solo so you might be right there.
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[QUOTE=Nate Grey;3678150]1) I said will, not did. I'm not confused you can't read.
2) And so there is no more "confusion" what exactly is your point? IW is outpacing BP...ok? Did anyone not think that wouldn't happen?[/QUOTE]
1. Ok, then you are just wrong lol. IW can't hit 1 billion domestic and neither can BP obviously. It is statistically impossible at this point. It is way behind TFA pace and TFA didn't hit a billion.
2. Actually, yes. It has been a discussion on numerous boards, including this one, if IW could actually beat BP domestically. Many people didn't think it could happen because IW wasn't likely to have the legs and it is facing much stiffer competition (namely DP2 and Solo) than BP did.
And "my point" was just to give a dang Box Office update for movies that both had Black Panther in it lol. Bast have mercy.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3678163]1. Ok, then you are just wrong lol. IW can't hit 1 billion domestic and neither can BP obviously. It is statistically impossible at this point. It is way behind TFA pace and TFA didn't hit a billion. [/QUOTE]
Even when I'm agreeing with you you figure out how to turn it into an argument. Should have just left you arguing with the troll.
lol **** quote me correctly next time, can you do that or is that another lol moment for you?
And since you have problems with billion fine, before IW leaves the box office it will make more than BP (assuming again Solo doesn't throw a wrench in that).
[QUOTE]2. Actually, yes. It has been a discussion on numerous boards, including this one, if IW could actually beat BP domestically. Many people didn't think it could happen because IW wasn't likely to have the legs and it is facing much stiffer competition (namely DP2 and Solo) than BP did.[/QUOTE]
Seems foolish since one's a team movie and the other isn't, but then again one was an event and even with all those characters in it, the other isn't. Either way great [incidental] competition for one another.
[QUOTE]And "my point" was just to give a dang Box Office update for movies that both had Black Panther in it lol. Bast have mercy.[/QUOTE]
I thought the point was to throw a turd in the punch bowl like, ironically, the person you were arguing with. Bast have mercy and also proofreading skills.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3678020]BP Week 4: 561 million [url]http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=marvel2017b.htm[/url]
IW Week 4: 595 million [url]http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=marvel0518.htm[/url]
If you have a better source that makes you so confident, go ahead and drop those links. Otherwise.....
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Oh hey, remember when we said people calling for movies of supporting characters happens every. single. time. Especially when they are minorities... well here we go for DP2
[B]Give Zazie Beetz Her Own Domino Marvel Movie, Immediately[/B]
[url]https://www.theringer.com/movies/2018/5/21/17376990/domino-deadpool-2-zazie-beetz-marvel-movie-franchise[/url][/QUOTE]
It rather depends on how you count it. In terms of raw totals, IW is outpacing BP, but both the weekly and weekend counts give Panther the nod:
[url]http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=weekly&id=marvelopeners.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=weekend&id=marvelopeners.htm[/url]
Basically, it's starting to look like BP has better legs.
(Not that it actually matters. One could argue IW is doing well partly BECAUSE of the large Wakandan presence. In a way, it's BP 1.5. ;) )
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3678163]1. Ok, then you are just wrong lol. IW can't hit 1 billion domestic and neither can BP obviously. It is statistically impossible at this point. It is way behind TFA pace and TFA didn't hit a billion.
2. Actually, yes. It has been a discussion on numerous boards, including this one, if IW could actually beat BP domestically. Many people didn't think it could happen because IW wasn't likely to have the legs and it is facing much stiffer competition (namely DP2 and Solo) than BP did.
And "my point" was just to give a dang Box Office update for movies that both had Black Panther in it lol. Bast have mercy.[/QUOTE]
IW marketing is double Black panther's. Black panther is still more impressive.
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[QUOTE=blacksonic;3678075]If you knew how the boxoffice worked you would know it's not really outpacing BP. It's a small chance it pass BP. Only way it pass BP is if Disney takes Bp out the theater before it hits 700m. Shuri and Domino earned people asking for a film.[/QUOTE]
Just asking. Didn't you say it was a fact that Infinity War wouldn't get pass Black Panther PERIOD?
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I strongly suspect the reason that BP has better "legs" BTW, is the rewatch factor. Given the emotional gutpunches in IW, I can't imagine many people wanting to see it more than once. OTOH, Panther is the first movie I watched a second time in the theatre since TFA.
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[QUOTE=Nate Grey;3678183]Even when I'm agreeing with you you figure out how to turn it into an argument. Should have just left you arguing with the troll.
lol **** quote me correctly next time, can you do that or is that another lol moment for you?[/quote]
Sure, no problem, let me use the quote feature (again)....
[QUOTE=Nate Grey earlier]What I take from this is IW won't have the legs BP has [B][SIZE=5]but it will hit the billion dollar mark [domestically] sooner than BP will. [/SIZE][/B]The idea is for IW to get its money quickly and that appears to be occurring.[/QUOTE]
To which, I replied, that it is impossible for either movie to hit the billion dollar mark.
[quote]And since you have problems with billion fine, before IW leaves the box office it will make more than BP (assuming again Solo doesn't throw a wrench in that).[/quote]
That is debatable. Hence the whole point of me updating the thread on the box office pace.
Many in this thread and elsewhere didn't think IW would be able to do it for a multitude of reasons (too much competition in May, sad ending, part 1 of 2, ect).
And yes, Solo and repeat DP2 viewings could finally start eating at IW box office at a significant rate where BP will begin to outpace it.
[quote]Seems foolish since one's a team movie and the other isn't, but then again one was an event and even with all those characters in it, the other isn't. Either way great [incidental] competition for one another.[/quote]
People compare box office all the time. BP murder/death/killed all the solo movies, so we are left comparing it to the newest team movie. No one is comparing it WW because we knew IW would murder it there (and it did). But the domestic box office is still up for grabs.
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I thought the point was to throw a turd in the punch bowl like, ironically, the person you were arguing with. Bast have mercy and also proofreading skills.[/QUOTE]
I originally posted the BO numbers without quoting anyone and it wasn't even the topic of discussion at the time. I have no desire to argue with Kareem
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[QUOTE=Tony Stark;3678198]Just asking. Didn't you say it was a fact that Infinity War wouldn't get pass Black Panther PERIOD?[/QUOTE]
No, but it's still not going to pass Black Panther. Only way it pass Bp is if marvel take it out the theater before it hits 700m
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3678205]Sure, no problem, let me use the quote feature (again)....
To which, I replied, that it is impossible for either movie to hit the billion dollar mark. [/QUOTE]
No, you replied I was confused cause it hasn't yet, and I didn't say it was there already. If I'm "confused" you can't "read" so, we good.
[QUOTE]I originally posted the BO numbers without quoting anyone and it wasn't even the topic of discussion at the time. I have no desire to argue with Kareem[/QUOTE]
And yet you were arguing with someone who was basically saying "nu-uh" so apparently the "desire" is there I just didn't think it would extend to ME. Lesson learned though.
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3678205]Sure, no problem, let me use the quote feature (again)....
To which, I replied, that it is impossible for either movie to hit the billion dollar mark.
That is debatable. Hence the whole point of me updating the thread on the box office pace.
Many in this thread and elsewhere didn't think IW would be able to do it for a multitude of reasons (too much competition in May, sad ending, part 1 of 2, ect).
And yes, Solo and repeat DP2 viewings could finally start eating at IW box office at a significant rate where BP will begin to outpace it.
People compare box office all the time. BP murder/death/killed all the solo movies, so we are left comparing it to the newest team movie. No one is comparing it WW because we knew IW would murder it there (and it did). But the domestic box office is still up for grabs.
I originally posted the BO numbers without quoting anyone and it wasn't even the topic of discussion at the time. I have no desire to argue with Kareem[/QUOTE]
It 'murdered' BP overseas because IW marketing is double Black panthers. More money for marketing equal ads are seen many more times around the world.
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[QUOTE=Nate Grey;3678230]No, you replied I was confused cause it hasn't yet, and I didn't say it was there already. If I'm "confused" you can't "read" so, we good.
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What you said was so improbable (IW or BP getting to a billion domestic) I assumed you were confused instead of just, really, really, really, wrong about it.
Once I realized you were in fact serious, I changed my argument.
My bad for giving you the benefit of the doubt. Won't happen again. Lesson learned as well. :)
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[QUOTE=MindofShadow;3678246]What you said was so improbable (IW or BP getting to a billion domestic) I assumed you were confused instead of just, really, really, really, wrong about it.[/QUOTE]
I was talking about the movie's endgoal since your post was about outpacing it. My fault for not dumbing it down even further.
[QUOTE]My bad for giving you the benefit of the doubt. Won't happen again. Lesson learned as well. :)[/QUOTE]
No LOL? Pity. Back to arguing with the troll you go then.
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[QUOTE=Tony Stark;3678198]Just asking. Didn't you say it was a fact that Infinity War wouldn't get pass Black Panther PERIOD?[/QUOTE]
Touche :cool:
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3678187]It rather depends on how you count it. In terms of raw totals, IW is outpacing BP, but both the weekly and weekend counts give Panther the nod:
[url]http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=weekly&id=marvelopeners.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=weekend&id=marvelopeners.htm[/url]
Basically, it's starting to look like BP has better legs.
(Not that it actually matters. One could argue IW is doing well partly BECAUSE of the large Wakandan presence. In a way, it's BP 1.5. ;) )[/QUOTE]
Good point. IW got a massive head start.
I am going to be really curious to see what Solo does to those numbers.
[QUOTE]I strongly suspect the reason that BP has better "legs" BTW, is the rewatch factor. Given the emotional gutpunches in IW, I can't imagine many people wanting to see it more than once. OTOH, Panther is the first movie I watched a second time in the theatre since TFA.[/QUOTE]
Plus being a part 1 of 2 doesn't help either.
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Trolls will never stop trolling. It's a way of life when you don't like the truth.
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[QUOTE=Beware Of Geek;3678201]I strongly suspect the reason that BP has better "legs" BTW, is the rewatch factor. Given the emotional gutpunches in IW, I can't imagine many people wanting to see it more than once. OTOH, Panther is the first movie I watched a second time in the theatre since TFA.[/QUOTE]
That make a lot of sense. I saw BP 3 times, but I will be going to see IW one more time as my little cousin hasn't scene it yet. I walked out of IW shook. Man it was depressing.
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[COLOR="#000080"]Two great movies doing well.
BP uplifting.
IW depressing.
Can't wait for the next 2 acts, especially IW just to see how they get through this.
Lost BP, lost Vizh, lost Strange, lost Wanda.
But I have no doubt they'll be back for the finale against Thanos.
Dang DC. You might want to go back to the drawing board with JLA.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=blacksonic;3678075]If you knew how the boxoffice worked you would know it's not really outpacing BP. It's a small chance it pass BP. Only way it pass BP is if Disney takes Bp out the theater before it hits 700m. Shuri and Domino earned people asking for a film.[/QUOTE]
FWIW, theaters decide whether to keep a movie in the theater, it's not really Disney's call.
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IW was not depressing, everyone after the snap is coming back. Part two may be depressing if anyone is really dead. IW was all set up. One half of a full film.
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[QUOTE=blacksonic;3678515]IW was not depressing, everyone after the snap is coming back. Part two may be depressing if anyone is really dead. IW was all set up. One half of a full film.[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#000080"]It was depressing to see the heroes lose the way they did. They felt hopeless and helpless. No one in the theater was cheering.[/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=Marvell2100;3678532][COLOR="#000080"]It was depressing to see the heroes lose the way they did. They felt hopeless and helpless. No one in the theater was cheering.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
And see heimdell killed
Loki get his neck snapped
Thor go overr all he lost
SL forced to shoot gamora
Nebula tortured
Gamora thrown off a cliff
Vision killed.... twice
The movie was not uplifting lol