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[QUOTE=Jabare;3553856]wait officially? What?!
nah I can't... if this is true... I can't...... not gonna invest anymore if this is true. Marvel's just gonna rip out my heart again. AvX is still canon right?[/QUOTE]
They are dating. Coates said in a response to a write in question there are no plans to remarry them. Essentially wasting our time to build up a Storm Solo.
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Black Panther and Storm are soooo 80's... :cool:
Xavier Mansion... Deadpool is throwing a wild party while Charles is out of town!
Black Panther: "Hey, DP!"
Deadpool: "Hey BP, congrats on your movie success!"
Black Panther: "Thanks, have you seen Storm?"
Deadpool: "Yeah, she's in the kitchen with Logan playing hide the Jello Pudding Pops but I aint saying nothing!"
James Ingram: "Why are you doing this to yourself you are a king act the part and move on DAYUM!"
[video=youtube;CYSOjuGdmvI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYSOjuGdmvI[/video]
A 1 Billion Dollar franchise character deserves better than this... Step yo game up son!!! ;)
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[QUOTE=skyvolt2000;3553065]You got us confused with Batman, Hal Jordan & Barry Allen fans.
The book gives folks what they WANT TO SEE/HEAR versus what they NEED TO SEE/HEAR.
Same issue with Cyborg. Man vs Machine is what DC wants but it's not what fans need.
Same with John Stewart. Hal's token friend is what DC wants but cartoon John Stewart is what fans need.
Same with Fake Wally. He's what DC wants but STATIC is what fans need.
Throw in Falcon, Luke Cage, Michael Holt, Miles, Patriot, Aqualad, Black Lightning and so on.
We need black males who are flawed, faces challenges and is a fully functional human being. What we don't need is the black troupe.
No way Steve Rodgers will get talked down to by Sharon Carter and ESPECIALLY not Misty Knight or America.
No way A Steve Rodgers book will be a stealth book for ANY character. It was NEVER done like that with Falcon. Miles didn't take over Peter's books. Duke didn't do that in Batman. Black Lightning didn't do that when he got backups in Detective Comics.
If that nonsense is not allowed in books starring Steve, Peter, Clark, Bruce, Diana, Logan, Hal and Ollie. It should not be allowed in Panther's book.
Running and writing a book of black troupe isn't going to work.
I shouldn't have to read 12 Years a Panther in Space story.
I should be reading Wakanda Glory as Wakanda takes those mines and free the slaves.
I should not be reading Storm Gotta Have it in Wakanda.
I should be reading The Black Panther Show starring T'Challa & his wife Nakia with his kids-T'heo, S'andra, D'enise, V'anessa, R'udy and the adopted kid-resurrected Synch.
I should not be reading about the Angry Doras of Wakanda
I should be reading the L Word in Wakanda.
In other words leave the black trope to Tyler Perry. Give us something challenging like Get Out did.[/QUOTE]
To much truth, you brought the Heat my brother...
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OMFG, Flex! Thought I was the only one that remembered that movie. Lol!
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Imagine complaining about a story you haven't read yet.
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[QUOTE=Pulp Fiction;3554107]Imagine complaining about a story you haven't read yet.[/QUOTE]
Based on what the current writer has done to the BP mythos, having low expectations for further work from him on BP is a natural reaction.
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[QUOTE=RDMXV;3552765]Reading critiques of coates run and BP movie here and it seems to boil down to the same arguments. Y'all want T'Challa to be an invincible, perfect, center of everything (which he is anyway it just happens everyone around him is great), ultra he man ("loving storm makes him weak") symbol of flawless black masculinity. Frankly that's boring. The numbers prove y'all are in the minority. People want characters they relate to that beat adversity, not a character with zero conflict, who does everything by himself and wins and the same old cookie cutter good vs evil. That's not compelling.[/QUOTE]
So as a kid when I read about wimpy Spider Man and the deranged adventures of Batman was I actually supporting white male masculinity? So when I shifted to Black Panther because he was going against the status quo of his fictional country and superman human comic tropes in general while making mistakes along the way(see the Queen Divine Justice story arc where it was revealed that she was the queen of the Jabari Clan all along) was I supporting black male masculinity?
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Also rebellion/overthrow stories have been done to death in Black Panther.
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You see this creeping argument about the weak portrayal of women in the BP mythos in the past, I never got that.
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[QUOTE=XPac;3553466]Yes, they can take away any and all justification to the Originators actions and just make them one dimensional monsters attacking Wakanda for the hell of it. But that's like deciding that Killmonger should just be a one dimensional bad guy without any justifiable motivations... would that be better? They made Killmonger a more understandable villain, even if it came at the expense of T'Chaka and Wakanda, and I think the same argument can be made for the Originators.
These aren't mindless evil monsters attacking just because they're a bunch of jerks... they are fighting for their home. And that potentially creates a situation where more might be necessarily than simply punching the monsters out. Which I think is exactly the sort of story a super hero king should have. Hulk can punch monsters... that's easy. But dealing with historical and political injustices is something a bit more worth of a king.[/QUOTE]
[B]They are one dimensional. Did you know that Tetu was the Main villain in S1 a and he got isht for development? Issue 3 I believe was the one that was basically dedicated to him and Coates used it to instead put in flowery poetry instead of developing his villain and instead relied of stereotypes and making Tchalla act like an idiot to push the story forward. Trying to compare Erik (who's movie version is similar to his comic version) to this originators is just silly.
And yeah I would rather we get some actual nuance then Trying to use every offensive stereotype and then trying to turn Wakanda into colonists. What's next, a story about trying to sympathize with klansmen because Wakanda somehow caused that to happen? Nah. Get that crap out of here [/B]
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[QUOTE=Ezyo1000;3554159][B]They are one dimensional. Did you know that Tetu was the Main villain in S1 a and he got isht for development? Issue 3 I believe was the one that was basically dedicated to him and Coates used it to instead put in flowery poetry instead of developing his villain and instead relied of stereotypes and making Tchalla act like an idiot to push the story forward. Trying to compare Erik (who's movie version is similar to his comic version) to this originators is just silly.
And yeah I would rather we get some actual nuance then Trying to use every offensive stereotype and then trying to turn Wakanda into colonists. What's next, a story about trying to sympathize with klansmen because Wakanda somehow caused that to happen? Nah. Get that crap out of here [/B][/QUOTE]
The story gave the Originals a VERY understandable and almost sympathetic motive... they simply want to go home. Doesn't justify their actions necessarily... but it gives their motives, and the story overall a degree of depth. It means the story goes beyond simply punching out a monster. It may still come to that, but it becomes a more complicated matter. And again, that's the story you want from a super hero king. It's not a Hulk story where something needs to be punched and you call it a day... there are social, historical, and perhaps even political implications in addition to that.
Now, if you don't like them then you don't like them... but the point being that the notion of them being driven off their homeland creates layers for them. The same way Killmonger got layers by having T'Chaka and Wakanda screw him over. Yes, it arguably puts them in a negative light but that makes for a better story. It's a shades of grey sort of thing, as opposed to things being purely black and white.
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Bruh I think you keep on saying "nuanced" because christopher priest said it one time in his black panther review. How many times have you said that word now? lol
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[QUOTE=Jabare;3553856]wait officially? What?!
nah I can't... if this is true... I can't...... not gonna invest anymore if this is true. Marvel's just gonna rip out my heart again. AvX is still canon right?[/QUOTE]
Yes and yes. They are dating, and AvX is still canon.
And for what it's worth, I think the relationship has been handled pretty well so far.
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[QUOTE=RDMXV;3552765]Reading critiques of coates run and BP movie here and it seems to boil down to the same arguments. [B]Y'all want T'Challa to be an invincible[/B], perfect, [B]center of everything [/B](which he is anyway it just happens everyone around him is great), [B]ultra he man[/B] ("loving storm makes him weak") [B]symbol of flawless black masculinity.[/B] Frankly that's boring. The numbers prove y'all are in the minority. People want characters they relate to that beat adversity, not a character with zero conflict, who does everything by himself and wins and the same old cookie cutter good vs evil. That's not compelling.[/QUOTE]
Lol, Superhero Comic books are alpha male fantasies; I don’t have a problem with that and black male superheroes shouldn’t be handled differently from anyone else.
If you don’t like the concept of someone ruining faster than everyone else, being physically stronger than everyone else, being smarter than everyone else, being unable to be hurt and solving most of their problems with violence; then you really shouldn’t be reading comic books, lol.
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Wait a minute, when did an overabundance of black male masculinity happen in order [I]to[/I] get tired of it? I missed it, what period was that? We're not talking the Luke Cage "Where's my money honey?" era are we?
Seriously, when did it happen? I'd love to read it. Definitely didn't happen on DC's end, hard pressed to think of when it happened at Marvel either...
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[QUOTE=Amenra11;3554257]Lol, Superhero Comic books are alpha male fantasies; I don’t have a problem with that and black male superheroes shouldn’t be handled differently from anyone else.
If you don’t like the concept of someone ruining faster than everyone else, being physically stronger than everyone else, being smarter than everyone else, being unable to be hurt and solving most of their problems with violence; then you really shouldn’t be reading comic books, lol.[/QUOTE]
I think it's a little bit of both. Yes, heroes are male fantasies. But especially at marvel, they're also flawed characters with feet of clay.
Thor right now is a perfect example of all of the above. In marvel he may well be the ULTIMATE male fantasy. He's literally a god prince. But presently he's also missing his hammer, missing his arm, and even missing his name. This is the ultimate male fantasy hero with 3 movies and hundreds of issues of books spanning decades and he's spent over a year being depowered, disfigured, and displaced from his own book.
So yes, marvel characters will be strong masculine characters. But they're also going to be dragged through the mud and screwed over every possible way imaginable. There are days you dream about being these characters... and there are day so thank god you're not. You get the best and the worst of both worlds.