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By the way blue marvel, enraged hulk and sentry are really stronger than normal thor,but for thor to equal them he must have the odinforce or the belt of strength and the warrior madness.
Hyperion is not in the top strongest group,but king hyperion is up there,animated cartoon hyperion and another hyperion from another universe,the older one with gray hair.
In fact marvel now hyperion only could lift 100 tons from the latest avengers now handbook and i wrote something about this and the two earth's thing.
Hyperion's strength is on the level of warmachine and ironman but he has a greater durability.
Hyperion is superman like,but he is not on superman's level,blue marvel's or sentry's level.
He is more on savage hulk or wonder woman's level in overall power but weaker in strength.
I will try to post something about this later.
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Here is something explaining limitless strength.
Absolute Strength
The user possesses a limitless level of strength and offensive power that can distort or do immense damage to anything in existence. The highest form of Enhanced Strength.
Absolute Strength
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Cythonna, as a Dark Kryptonian Goddess (DC) has a level of physical strength that vastly surpasses that of a full-powered Superman and other Kryptonian Gods.
Power/Ability to: possess a limitless level of strength and offensive power
Also Called
# Cosmic Strength
# Godlike Strength
# Incomprehensible Strength
# Immeasurable Strength
# Incalculable Strength
# Infinite Strength
# Limitless Strength
# True Strength
# Ultimate Strength
# Unlimited Strength
Capabilities
The user is able to go toe-to-toe and even surpass the strongest of beings with nothing but the raw force of their physical blows. Any level of weight the user needs to lift is irrelevant as their body can emit force that can repel an object of any mass. With this ability, the user could shatter planets with their fists alone and even tear through space-time anomalies with the sheer force of their strikes.
Applications
# Enhanced Strike
# Impale
# Invulnerability (for the user's body to withstand the force of their power)
# Planet Destruction
# Razor Hand/Foot
# Shockwave Clap
# Shockwave Stomp
# Space-Time Slicing (tearing through space and time).
# Vibration Emission
Associations
# Absolute Condition
# Transcendent Physiology
# Zenith
Limitations
# Though their level of strength is limitless, their level of stamina and endurance may be steadily exhausted/drained by their opponents over time.
# The user may need to focus their force to do the required damage.
# Those with Absolute Defense can possibly nullify the impact of the user's blow.
# Without a proper restrain in strength, user can destroy their surroundings in the shockwaves they create.
Known Users
# Heracles/Hercules (Greco-Roman Mythology)
# Atlas (Greco-Roman Mythology)
# Zeus (Marvel Comics); with his other powers
Thor (Norse Mythology)
* Thor Odinson (Marvel Comics); with Belt of Strength and Warrior's Madness, or Odin Force/Thor Force.
# Magni (Norse Mythology)
# Cythonna (DC Comics); the Kryptonian Goddess of Ice and Death
# Sentry (Marvel Comics); during the day
* Void (Marvel Comics); during the night
# Incredible Hulk (Marvel Comics); at extreme rage level
# Wielders of the Power Gem (Marvel Comics)
# Superman/Kal Kent (DC One-Million); empowered by the Super-Sun
# Superboy-Prime (DC Comics)
# Imperiex (DC Comics); through Entropy Manipulation
# Asura (Asura's Wrath)
# Galactus (Marvel Comics); full-strength with the Power Cosmic
# Saitama (One Punch Man)
# Magus (Marvel Comics); when larger than a star.
# Super Sonic (Archie Sonic)
# Hyper Knuckles (Archie Sonic)
# Big the Cat (Archie Sonic)
# Mighty (Archie Sonic); Though less than Big the Cat
# Celestials (Marvel Comics)
# Wielders of the Triforce of Power (The Legend of Zelda)
# Monkey King Bambina (Toriko)
# Karura (Utawarerumono)
# Raphael (Valkyrie Crusade)
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Thor (Marvel) can increase his already god-like strength to new heights by entering a berserker state known as Warrior's Madness
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The Void (Marvel), aka Dark Sentry, has virtually limitless strength upon reaching its full power
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The level of strength the Hulk (Marvel) can obtain has no finite boundary due to his boundless rage tied to his strength.
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Asura (Asura's Wrath) can obtain limitless levels of strength by channeling the power of his rage throughout his body
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Saitama's (One Punch Man's) strength is virtually limitless, enabling him to destroy nearly anything with one punch.
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Raphael (Valkyrie Crusade) is an archangel that has godlike strength
[url]http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Absolute_Strength[/url]
Another superhero with Absolute Strength
Blue Marvel
[quote]Blue Marvel's powers are a result of being mutated, by radiation generated from the then unstable event horizon to the Negative Zone. His powers make him a force to be reckoned with, and one of the strongest beings in the Universe. He was considered to be an Alpha Level Threat by Captain America and Tony Stark.[/quote]
[quote]Incalculable Strength: Blue Marvel possesses vast levels of superhuman strength, and is stated to be in the same league as Sentry, Hulk, and Thor strength wise; Blue Marvel has the potential to be the most powerful hero on Earth. He was seen effortlessly lifting the 1960 era's American warship 'Enterprise' which weighs over 93,000 tons, but is capable of greater feats of strength, as shown when he easily moved a meteor "easily the size of Arkansas". Blue Marvel is capable of lifting far in excess of 100 tons easily, as shown when he's lifted a disabled battleship weighing 100,000 tons and flew it back to port for repair. The Watcher said that Blue Marvel could have "split the moon in two" with one blow. Prince Namor himself stated that after Blue Marvel's long hiatus, that only the Hulk and Thor have hit him as hard. Blue Marvel went toe to toe with Sentry, as well as with the rest of the Avengers; he knocked Sentry unconscious into orbit in a single blow, for several minutes. Sentry barely beat Blue Marvel, requiring the distraction of a prolonged and exhausting fight with The Avengers including Wonder Man, Ms. Marvel, Ares and Iron Man to deliver a solid blow. The uppermost limits of Blue Marvel's strength is unknown, but it equals or exceeds the likes of a enraged Hulk, Sentry and others.[/quote]
Blue Marvel (Character) - Comic Vine
[url]http://www.comicvine.com/blue-marvel/4005-57033/[/url]
Adam Brashear (Earth-616)
Blue Marvel
Strength level
[quote]Class 100+, Adam is capable of lifting far in excess of 100 tons easily. He is stated to be in the same league as the Sentry, Hulk, and Thor . Namor also stated that the only other who have hit him as hard as Blue Marvel were Hulk and Thor.[/quote]
Adam Brashear (Earth-616) - Marvel Comics Database
[url]http://marvel.wikia.com/Adam_Brashear_%28Earth-616%29[/url]
Blue marvel
Powers
[quote]Blue Marvel possess superhuman strength that is equal to Thor and Hulk, high degree of durability. His body can store anti-matter and disperse it to a unknown degree[/quote]
More on Marvel.com:
[url]http://marvel.com/universe/Blue_marvel[/url]
There are more characters in marvel and with absolute strength.
[url]http://marvel.wikia.com/Category:Incalculable_Strength[/url]
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[QUOTE=JudicatorPrime;906041]Actually, the person that I should have added was The Antimatter Man, best known as simply [B]Anti-Man[/B].
I intentionally left Adam Brashear off of the list, because there is some discrepancy between what his creator determined Brashear's strength to be and how he's been written subsequently. Initially, Kevin Grevioux said that the Blue Marvel wasn't as strong as Thor. However, we've seen Blue Marvel go toe to toe and blow for blow with King Hyperion and win. It is widely believed that King Hyperion is stronger than Thor. Indeed, King Hyperion has killed [B]multiple[/B] Thors across a number of alternate realities in man to man combat. We can either assume that every Thor in every other alternate dimension isn't as strong as the the Thor in 616... which would be a logical stretch... or we can accept that feat at face value.
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Kevin Grevioux first said that thor is stronger then blue marvel and blue marvel is stronger then superman.He made blue marvel to be stronger then superman but not as strong as thor.
Later he changed his view,that's the confusion.
He said later blue marvel is equal to thor and hulk and sentry,but all of them are stronger then superman.
That's modern superman of course(new-52 and post crisis.)
Yeah,king hyperion is stronger then thor,and blue marvel was able to stop him,so it seems that blue marvel is stronger then normal thor but for thor to match hulk and blue marvel's strength he must be odinforce or have warrior madness and have the belt of strength.
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Sentry is a solid contender.
Or Thanos.
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There are varied versions of Hyperion by the way.
Some as strong or stronger then post crisis superman and post-flashpoint superman and some not as strong.
See these updated lists for hulk,thor,blue marvel,superman,sentry,icon,thanos,darkseid,superman prime,wonder woman,gladiator,silver surfer etc...
For the absolute strength list go to the the last one after and there is talk about vsbattle wiki on page 3 for example and why Blue marvel,Hercules (Marvel Comics),Beyonder,Galactus
is on the Absolute Strength list and why hulk,sentry,thor,superman,shazam,gladiator,hyperion,wonder woman etc.. are not on the list.
Peak Human Strength
[url]https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Peak_Human_Strength[/url]
Enhanced Strength
[url]https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Enhanced_Strength[/url]
Supernatural Strength
[url]https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Supernatural_Strength[/url]
Strength Infinitum
[url]https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Strength_Infinitum[/url]
Absolute Strength
[url]https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Absolute_Strength[/url]
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In terms of raw strength without amplifier I'd say Hercules
At least in the hero side
Villains, thanos, juggernaut or nefaria
I'd bet thanos, but it's hard to tell when he isn't amped up, he was bumped up by death so I'd sort of say that's abstract power interference
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[QUOTE=Expletive Deleted;903501]If Hulk is out of the running, then probably one of the Superman clones.
Really, though, it's the Hulk.[/QUOTE]
This. Rules clearly rigged to keep Hulk from defaulting.
Which is why I'm saying Hulk anyway.
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[QUOTE=yet another;905726]That's ridiculous, no physical being can physically rip apart a star. Let's put than one back to the unsubstantiated hype box, which has never been empty, or even half-empty over the MU history. :)[/QUOTE]
Two points here:
1. Comics are rife with hyperbole, and nearly every forum debate is willing to indulge it as fact in order t make a point. I applaud your restraint.
2. It's a mistake to equate real physics to comic physics. I mean heck: Hickman just rewrote black holes to actually be ascended intelligent singularity systems, and Hulk has been strong enough to punch holes into other dimensions.
At any rate, I agree that in general one should recognize hyperbole for what it is and not be so literal all the time. I swear if I have to hear about "a million exploding suns" one more time ...
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Gladiator
Blue Marvel
King Hyperion
Sentry
Hyperion
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[QUOTE=mace11;4703066]There are versions of Hyperion by the way.
Some as strong or stronger then post crisis superman and post-flashpoint superman and some not as strong.
See these updated lists for hulk,thor,blue marvel,superman,sentry,icon,thanos,darkseid,superman prime,wonder woman,gladiator,silver surfer etc...
For the absolute strength list go to the the last one after and there is talk about vsbattle wiki on page 3 for example and why Blue marvel,Hercules (Marvel Comics),Beyonder,Galactus
is on the Absolute Strength list and why hulk,sentry,thor,superman,shazam,gladiator,hyperion,wonder woman etc.. are not on the list.
Peak Human Strength
[url]https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Peak_Human_Strength[/url]
Enhanced Strength
[url]https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Enhanced_Strength[/url]
Supernatural Strength
[url]https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Supernatural_Strength[/url]
Strength Infinitum
[url]https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Strength_Infinitum[/url]
Absolute Strength
[url]https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Absolute_Strength[/url][/QUOTE]
I mean its cool that groups of people decided to try to build a system to compare definitively power levels of super heroes, but to prop this as some kind of authoritative reference is silly.
Comments at the bottom of these lists reveal clear biases in the rankings, and the site doesn't even have any method for collecting known feats and allowing some kind of aggregate voting ... instead people edit the page and an admin just removes heroes he doesn't agree with. Only a subset of the "infinitum" heroes even have links at all to character bios, and those that do have links do not have even close to an exhaustive list of feats.
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Kurse
Thanos
Heralds of Galactus increasing their strength with the Power Cosmic
Red Hulk
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[QUOTE=GrandEleven;4704137]I mean its cool that groups of people decided to try to build a system to compare definitively power levels of super heroes, but to prop this as some kind of authoritative reference is silly.[/QUOTE]
I have to agree with you here. I do like that everyone is trying to wrap their minds around what constitutes superhuman strength, but more often than not even the "experts", i.e., Marvel writers, get it wrong, or muddy the waters by establishing feats that either are inconsistent or randomly outside the pale of a character's established capabilities. At the end of the day it's probably best not to take these things too seriously. It's certainly not worth debating a strength/power taxonomy of any kind.
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Blue Marvel has to be tops based on first the battles, and then write up of his feats second.
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[QUOTE=dkrook;4705292]Blue Marvel has to be tops based on first the battles, and then write up of his feats second.[/QUOTE]
I had heard from some on here stating Blue Marvel is the strongest, but where can I see and read about his actual feats?