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[QUOTE=ssupes;965933]So your admitting sexual appeal is in the eye of the beholder?[/QUOTE]
Ofc it is, but as far as I can see, some people agree with me and some of you do not.
[QUOTE=ssupes;965993]Also I'm not comfortable with the association that Dominatrix automatically means the desire for sex. While I'm no expert on BDSM I have heard there are people who go to these BDSM sessions with no sex involved at all. In fact I'm sure the Wonder Woman Comics used to show that BDSM isn't about sex but about power and what human beings are comfortable with so if your admitting that the new Circe is designed to be shown as a sex crazed Dom then what do you think of Wonder Woman comics in general?[/QUOTE]
I never said sex-crazed, nor did I imply it. But you keep avoiding giving me a better answer to: Why would she dress like this?
[QUOTE=Sacred Knight;966249]I am. Nothing but respect to you as always but I'm genuinely dumbfounded that the comparison is being made. To me its a dress. I've never seen a dominatrix outfit utilize a long gown, at least. This looks like something out of a Grimm fairy tale. The original dark ones, I mean.[/QUOTE]
Let me just point out that how a dom is dressed can be anything from just a pair of heeled boots and nothing else to a full baroque dress.
[QUOTE=Sacred Knight;966306]It looks to me like she's going to an Edgar Allen Poe themed masque ball, not getting ready to tell Superman what the safe word is.[/QUOTE]
So you think she's on her way to a poetry slam dressed like that?
[QUOTE=Lax;966732]I have no idea what you're talking about.
She even has pants on [U]underneath[/U] the skirt, how does she look like she wants to get laid? Nevermind how she looks that way but the MOW version doesn't. MOW Circe being the one rubbing on a dude while he's trying to have a serious conversation with her.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and Catwoman and Black Cat also wear pants, and you have no trouble there I imagine.
[QUOTE=Lax;966732]This is nothing but the feminist baggage that comes with female characters.[/QUOTE]
Because if someone at DC reacted to this conversation, one of your toys might getting taken away from you? Were you also one of those people complaing over Powergirls missing boob window?
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[QUOTE=Outside_85;965637]Not really. Since; A) I wouldn't know if she was nuts. B) In the vast world of DC, glowing eyes is hardly a cause of terror in it's own. C) When has it been mentioned Circe is particularly misandrist? She seems equally vile against women.[/QUOTE]
A) Really? The crazy eyes? The air of malice? The casual cruelty?
B) Couple the glowing eyes with the malice that radiates from her even in a still image? Big difference.
C) Yeah, maybe she's different this time around, in fairness. She's usually portrayed as a man hater, first and foremost, though.
[QUOTE]If drawn by Jim Lee or someone editorially mandated to do so, sure. Put Chiang on it however and she'd be just fine.[/QUOTE]
And if that scene were drawn by Chiang, we wouldn't be commenting about it at all, because we wouldn't even remember that scene because it would've been bland, boring and not remotely eye catching. Chiang is not good at drawing action scenes. Which doesn't matter when he's drawing for Azz, since Azz only writes action scenes once every six issues or so.
[QUOTE]It says you wouldn't be at all suspicious about a deathly pale woman floating a couple of inches above the ground and her hair floating into the air thats covered by pieces of cloth that float on their own. I think you need to watch a Japanese horror movie to understand where we are coming from.[/QUOTE]
Japanese horror movies? Those things that people keep telling me are the scariest things ever, and yet I constantly yawn my way through them? Thanks, but if I want to be scared, I buy American.
(And yes, I've seen the actual Japanese versions of some of these movies. They still bore the crap out of me.)
Also? Those Japanese horror creatures you reference? I'm pretty sure they're considered "scary" (not by me) because they do scary things. I'm pretty sure they make scary noises, or lunge at the people they're trying to scare. They don't, generally, smile like ditzy cheerleaders, babble about nonsense, and basically try to give their "victims" a lap dance.
Not only did MOW Circe not LOOK scary, she didn't even ACT scary.
[QUOTE]Yes, a third braid certainly makes all the difference. You'd mistake the two for a couple or sisters if you jogges past them in a park.[/QUOTE]
You would. I'd spot the differences in an instant.
[QUOTE]She's never been a seductress, and thats the difference, she always been more 'kneel before Zod!' than Catwoman. The only time she was that was when she was wearing Diana's form.[/QUOTE]
That's pre-Flashpoint. This is a new Circe. Clearly she is more seductive this time around.
And in the myths, Circe is very much a seductress, by the way. Odysseus was going to kill her, and she offered him sex instead. He took the deal. And then he spent an entire year with her on her island, and forgot all about his beloved wife.
[QUOTE]Where did I mention anything about practicality?[/QUOTE]
You didn't. I mentioned it in order to cover all bases.
[QUOTE]Circe is one of the most powerful magicians DC has, it's not in her character nor in her interest to seduce anyone when she can reduce most people to their component atoms with the wave of her hand. Seriously, when the devil did Circe turn into Tala?[/QUOTE]
Mythology disagrees with you. Circe was a seductress there.
And Circe's DC "character" is whatever the writers say it is. Right now? They seem to be leaning toward "seductress." I remind you that in the scene you love so much, Circe was ALSO acting seductive toward a man.
And just because Circe is powerful, this somehow precludes her from being proud of her looks and the effect they can have on people? Is there some rule now that says that once you reach a certain level of power, you become unable to be seductive? Power is good. Sex is good. Sex AND Power is even better.
[QUOTE]Please, Tomasi's Circe is about as scary as the Wicked Witch of the West. Thats plenty scary if you are Dorothy and her useless friends, anyone else, not really.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'll bet if you encountered the Wicked Witch (and didn't know you could kill her with a pail of water) and she started slinging spells at you, you'd be plenty scared of her.
And that's just your opinion, anyway. I thought Tomasi's Circe is MUCH scarier than MOW's floating, naked ditz.
[QUOTE]Yes, he's a dude. Thats about all the difference there is to them in this context; they are supposed to be serious characters, sadly this Circe is not dressing accordingly to be taken as such.[/QUOTE]
Nope.
Luthor is pretty much asexual. He's a narcissist. He only loves himself. He has pretty much never been written as having the slightest interest in sex with ANYBODY. He also fancies himself a refined gentleman of power, and would consider dressing like a biker beneath him.
Circe is dressed like a woman who revels in her power. She'll wear what she wants to wear, and she will DARE YOU to say one word about how she's dressed. Once again, Power and Sex in a potent combination. As opposed to MOW, who was just Sex, no Power, and nothing remotely interesting beyond what she was putting on display.
And, as [b]Lax[/b] pointed out, Circe is wearing pants under her skirt. You're basically upset that Circe chose black leather for her clothing in this story and that she's showing some cleavage. MOW Circe chose a floating ribbon as her clothing and showed a LOT more than just some cleavage. She also displayed no power or anything else to tell the audience "You should take this chick seriously."
I'll take the powerful lady who just enslaved Superman with a wave of her hand over some nonsense-spewing dingbat any day.
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[quote][Let me just point out that how a dom is dressed can be anything from just a pair of heeled boots and nothing else to a full baroque dress.
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If that's the case though, what's the problem? If you're suggesting that you're in agreement that her look is not like the par-for-course, practically nude whip wielding dom outfit most people think of, then all we're back to is more of a non-visual reference to domination with the Ani-Men theme. I thought the issue was a supposed over sexualizing in the visual?
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[QUOTE=Vanguard-01;967251]A) Really? The crazy eyes? The air of malice? The casual cruelty?
B) Couple the glowing eyes with the malice that radiates from her even in a still image? Big difference.
C) Yeah, maybe she's different this time around, in fairness. She's usually portrayed as a man hater, first and foremost, though.
And if that scene were drawn by Chiang, we wouldn't be commenting about it at all, because we wouldn't even remember that scene because it would've been bland, boring and not remotely eye catching. Chiang is not good at drawing action scenes. Which doesn't matter when he's drawing for Azz, since Azz only writes action scenes once every six issues or so.
Japanese horror movies? Those things that people keep telling me are the scariest things ever, and yet I constantly yawn my way through them? Thanks, but if I want to be scared, I buy American.
(And yes, I've seen the actual Japanese versions of some of these movies. They still bore the crap out of me.)
Also? Those Japanese horror creatures you reference? I'm pretty sure they're considered "scary" (not by me) because they do scary things. I'm pretty sure they make scary noises, or lunge at the people they're trying to scare. They don't, generally, smile like ditzy cheerleaders, babble about nonsense, and basically try to give their "victims" a lap dance.
Not only did MOW Circe not LOOK scary, she didn't even ACT scary.
You would. I'd spot the differences in an instant.
That's pre-Flashpoint. This is a new Circe. Clearly she is more seductive this time around.
And in the myths, Circe is very much a seductress, by the way. Odysseus was going to kill her, and she offered him sex instead. He took the deal. And then he spent an entire year with her on her island, and forgot all about his beloved wife.
You didn't. I mentioned it in order to cover all bases.
Mythology disagrees with you. Circe was a seductress there.
And Circe's DC "character" is whatever the writers say it is. Right now? They seem to be leaning toward "seductress." I remind you that in the scene you love so much, Circe was ALSO acting seductive toward a man.
And just because Circe is powerful, this somehow precludes her from being proud of her looks and the effect they can have on people? Is there some rule now that says that once you reach a certain level of power, you become unable to be seductive? Power is good. Sex is good. Sex AND Power is even better.
Yeah, I'll bet if you encountered the Wicked Witch (and didn't know you could kill her with a pail of water) and she started slinging spells at you, you'd be plenty scared of her.
And that's just your opinion, anyway. I thought Tomasi's Circe is MUCH scarier than MOW's floating, naked ditz.
Nope.
Luthor is pretty much asexual. He's a narcissist. He only loves himself. He has pretty much never been written as having the slightest interest in sex with ANYBODY. He also fancies himself a refined gentleman of power, and would consider dressing like a biker beneath him.
Circe is dressed like a woman who revels in her power. She'll wear what she wants to wear, and she will DARE YOU to say one word about how she's dressed. Once again, Power and Sex in a potent combination. As opposed to MOW, who was just Sex, no Power, and nothing remotely interesting beyond what she was putting on display.
And, as [b]Lax[/b] pointed out, Circe is wearing pants under her skirt. You're basically upset that Circe chose black leather for her clothing in this story and that she's showing some cleavage. MOW Circe chose a floating ribbon as her clothing and showed a LOT more than just some cleavage. She also displayed no power or anything else to tell the audience "You should take this chick seriously."
I'll take the powerful lady who just enslaved Superman with a wave of her hand over some nonsense-spewing dingbat any day.[/QUOTE]
Wow you just wrote a whole phd dissertation on Circe's dress, it's gonna be really hard for him to outwrite you now. I think you won this.
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[QUOTE=Vanguard-01;967251]A) Really? The crazy eyes? The air of malice? The casual cruelty?
B) Couple the glowing eyes with the malice that radiates from her even in a still image? Big difference.
C) Yeah, maybe she's different this time around, in fairness. She's usually portrayed as a man hater, first and foremost, though.[/QUOTE]
A) I thought we were discussing the visual themes?
B) I'll be honest, I don't see malice radiating off Circe the way I see crazy radiating off Harley.
C) That is true, but lets stick to the New 52 versions as long as we don't know any more.
[QUOTE=Vanguard-01;967251]And if that scene were drawn by Chiang, we wouldn't be commenting about it at all, because we wouldn't even remember that scene because it would've been bland, boring and not remotely eye catching. Chiang is not good at drawing action scenes. Which doesn't matter when he's drawing for Azz, since Azz only writes action scenes once every six issues or so.[/QUOTE]
That's your opinion on Chiang, I dont care for it, but it's a debate for another time and place. Regardless, it's down to the artist, if its not editorially mandated, to decide if a pair of pants are disappearing up the bum of a character.
[QUOTE=Vanguard-01;967251]Japanese horror movies? Those things that people keep telling me are the scariest things ever, and yet I constantly yawn my way through them? Thanks, but if I want to be scared, I buy American.[/QUOTE]
Can't remember the last time I heard about an American horror movie that was actually scary and not just 'lets see how much of this I can stomach' that is the Saw and Hostel series.
[QUOTE=Vanguard-01;967251](And yes, I've seen the actual Japanese versions of some of these movies. They still bore the crap out of me.)
Also? Those Japanese horror creatures you reference? I'm pretty sure they're considered "scary" (not by me) because they do scary things. I'm pretty sure they make scary noises, or lunge at the people they're trying to scare. They don't, generally, smile like ditzy cheerleaders, babble about nonsense, and basically try to give their "victims" a lap dance.[/QUOTE]
Neither do they stand around posturing while making statements.
What the Japanese movies do really well is build an atmosphere of suspense because the ghost or ghoul can usually appear anywhere, so the audience is normally at the edge of their seats before the monster actually shows up.
[QUOTE=Vanguard-01;967251]Not only did MOW Circe not LOOK scary, she didn't even ACT scary.[/QUOTE]
Note: I never said MoW Circe was terror that reduced mens bowels to water. What I said was that she behaved in an unnerving fashion.
[QUOTE=Vanguard-01;967251]You would. I'd spot the differences in an instant.[/QUOTE]
If you like to think so.
[QUOTE=Vanguard-01;967251]That's pre-Flashpoint. This is a new Circe. Clearly she is more seductive this time around.[/QUOTE]
Since when? She wasn't particularly seductive when she appeared before Diana and Superman (unless you think 'Kneel before Zod' counts?). And in MoW it seemed more like she was amusing herself with a man who couldn't ignore he was about a kilometer off the ground and without a parachute.
[QUOTE=Vanguard-01;967251]And in the myths, Circe is very much a seductress, by the way. Odysseus was going to kill her, and she offered him sex instead. He took the deal. And then he spent an entire year with her on her island, and forgot all about his beloved wife.[/QUOTE]
The mythological Circe was also pretty much content with staying on her island and ignore the rest of the world.
[QUOTE=Vanguard-01;967251]Mythology disagrees with you. Circe was a seductress there.[/QUOTE]
And Circe's DC "character" is whatever the writers say it is. Right now? They seem to be leaning toward "seductress." I remind you that in the scene you love so much, Circe was ALSO acting seductive toward a man.[/QUOTE]
But this isn't a straight up copy of the mythological being.
[QUOTE=Vanguard-01;967251]And just because Circe is powerful, this somehow precludes her from being proud of her looks and the effect they can have on people? Is there some rule now that says that once you reach a certain level of power, you become unable to be seductive? Power is good. Sex is good. Sex AND Power is even better.[/QUOTE]
Still you haven't addressed the question: Who is she trying to seduce? Because as far as we have seen of her lair, one half of the population doesn't have the IQ to tie their own shoelaces the other half is more inclined to spit at her if she gets in range. Who is she going to seduce?
[QUOTE=Vanguard-01;967251]Yeah, I'll bet if you encountered the Wicked Witch (and didn't know you could kill her with a pail of water) and she started slinging spells at you, you'd be plenty scared of her.[/QUOTE]
I'd still be lmao from cover due to her cackling.
[QUOTE=Vanguard-01;967251]And that's just your opinion, anyway. I thought Tomasi's Circe is MUCH scarier than MOW's floating, naked ditz.[/QUOTE]
You need to realize there is a difference between scary and etheral. Tomasi's is neither.
[QUOTE=Vanguard-01;967251]Nope.
Luthor is pretty much asexual. He's a narcissist. He only loves himself. He has pretty much never been written as having the slightest interest in sex with ANYBODY. He also fancies himself a refined gentleman of power, and would consider dressing like a biker beneath him.
Circe is dressed like a woman who revels in her power. She'll wear what she wants to wear, and she will DARE YOU to say one word about how she's dressed. Once again, Power and Sex in a potent combination. As opposed to MOW, who was just Sex, no Power, and nothing remotely interesting beyond what she was putting on display.[/QUOTE]
So it's beneath Lex Luthor to dress like a biker because he has oodles of power and money, but the want to be queen of the world that has unbelievable levels of magical power can dress like a dom? Where does that make sense to you?
[QUOTE=Vanguard-01;967251]And, as [b]Lax[/b] pointed out, Circe is wearing pants under her skirt. You're basically upset that Circe chose black leather for her clothing in this story and that she's showing some cleavage. MOW Circe chose a floating ribbon as her clothing and showed a LOT more than just some cleavage. She also displayed no power or anything else to tell the audience "You should take this chick seriously."
I'll take the powerful lady who just enslaved Superman with a wave of her hand over some nonsense-spewing dingbat any day.[/QUOTE]
And like I said before, the pants/no-pants are not a part of my consideration. And MoW Circe showed a lot less that what you can see at the beach on a sunny day.
MoW was supposed to be read with the reader stepping into Joe Rock's boots, and Joe was launched into a battlefield somewhere and started to see some strange things going down. Then Circe appears and he finds himself about a kilometer above ground and receives a lecture on how he and his colleagues are trespassing on grounds meant for greater powers before getting dropped only to wake up in the plane heading back to base with a milling mile stare on his face.
[QUOTE=Marquesse_de_Sade;967314]Wow you just wrote a whole phd dissertation on Circe's dress, it's gonna be really hard for him to outwrite you now. I think you won this.[/QUOTE]
You don't know me very well.
[QUOTE=Sacred Knight;967274]If that's the case though, what's the problem? If you're suggesting that you're in agreement that her look is not like the par-for-course, practically nude whip wielding dom outfit most people think of, then all we're back to is more of a non-visual reference to domination with the Ani-Men theme. I thought the issue was a supposed over sexualizing in the visual?[/QUOTE]
It is. What you are doing is excusing it because it's not the standard look as you imagine it.
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No, I'm not excusing anything because I firmly believe what you're purporting isn't there to begin with. You're claiming over sexualization based on a description, a highly debateable description at that as I still firmly believe that more than anything else it looks like a dress. A fun creepy take on a dress, but a dress nonetheless. Regardless of what we want to describe it as though, if what it boils down to is a visualization then let's just look at it visually: do that and what we get is a costume that's in reality more tame than Diana's own. The only revealing part is the cleavage, and not even that is emphasized to any ridiculous degree. In any case that's just the way I feel, I'm not seeing it at all. You do and have clarified it and I get it, and I think I've done the same. So onward and upward whenever things hopefully get back to the actual story.
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[QUOTE=Outside_85;967250]Yes, and Catwoman and Black Cat also wear pants, and you have no trouble there I imagine.[/quote]
Catwoman and Black Cat don't wear long flowing dresses over their pants.
[QUOTE=Outside_85;967250]Because if someone at DC reacted to this conversation, one of your toys might getting taken away from you?[/quote]
In the long run? It's certainly a possibility, especially if the people who dislike it are to afraid to say anything. It's already happened over at Marvel, thank God I'm not a devoted Thor fan.
[QUOTE=Outside_85;967250]Were you also one of those people complaing over Powergirls missing boob window?[/QUOTE]
No, but I may have if I were fond of her previous look.
Poison Ivy on the other hand? Yes, I've complained about that in the past.
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[QUOTE=Outside_85;967496]B) I'll be honest, I don't see malice radiating off Circe the way I see crazy radiating off Harley.[/QUOTE]
I do. But fair enough.
[QUOTE]Can't remember the last time I heard about an American horror movie that was actually scary and not just 'lets see how much of this I can stomach' that is the Saw and Hostel series.[/QUOTE]
You haven't been watching the right ones, then.
I hated Hostel. Only movie I've ever walked out of and demanded my money back.
Insidious, however, was delightfully disturbing and had almost no blood or gore in it of any kind. Seriously, the only blood I remember in that movie was a bloody handprint on a bed sheet.
[QUOTE]Neither do they stand around posturing while making statements.
What the Japanese movies do really well is build an atmosphere of suspense because the ghost or ghoul can usually appear anywhere, so the audience is normally at the edge of their seats before the monster actually shows up.[/QUOTE]
Insidious did this as well, and it didn't put me to sleep.
As for standing around making statements? That's literally all MOW Circe did, too. Tomasi's Circe captured Diana with a wave of her hand and turned Superman into a monster with a similar wave.
[QUOTE]Note: I never said MoW Circe was terror that reduced mens bowels to water. What I said was that she behaved in an unnerving fashion.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't unnerved at all. She was boring. The fact that she was mostly naked was the only reason I remember anything about that scene at all.
[QUOTE]Since when? She wasn't particularly seductive when she appeared before Diana and Superman (unless you think 'Kneel before Zod' counts?). And in MoW it seemed more like she was amusing herself with a man who couldn't ignore he was about a kilometer off the ground and without a parachute.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, she was seductive in MOW, so I really don't see what your problem is with a portrayal of Circe in which she is wearing more clothes and ISN'T trying to give Superman or Diana a lap dance while she talks to them.
[QUOTE]The mythological Circe was also pretty much content with staying on her island and ignore the rest of the world.[/QUOTE]
It's been a Wonder Woman tradition for some time now to say that Circe wasn't "content" on her island. She simply couldn't escape it, until recently, when she figured out a way to do so.
[QUOTE]But this isn't a straight up copy of the mythological being.[/QUOTE]
Nope. But she seems much more similar to her mythological counterpart this time around.
[QUOTE]Still you haven't addressed the question: Who is she trying to seduce? Because as far as we have seen of her lair, one half of the population doesn't have the IQ to tie their own shoelaces the other half is more inclined to spit at her if she gets in range. Who is she going to seduce?[/QUOTE]
Everyone around her? Once again, Sex and Power are potent combinations. A sexy woman will turn heads. A powerful woman will turn heads. A powerful AND sexy woman can bring nations to their knees.
Circe plays up her sexuality, it would seem. She appears proud of her looks and shows them off to emphasize that point. That's my take, anyway.
[QUOTE]I'd still be lmao from cover due to her cackling.[/QUOTE]
I somehow think you wouldn't have time to laugh your ass off, while you're trying to avoid being killed by her.
[QUOTE]You need to realize there is a difference between scary and etheral. Tomasi's is neither.[/QUOTE]
I thought she was plenty scary-looking. The fact that she's pretty effortlessly owning the two most powerful heroes in the DCU emphasizes this.
And since when is "ethereal" the be-all-end-all word to describe Circe? "Ethereal" basically means "light, airy, and without substance." Do any of these terms scream "You should take this lady seriously?"
Tomasi's Cire is smacking around Superman and Wonder Woman without difficulty. MOW "ethereal" Circe just lap danced a mere mortal against his will and sent him away. Which approach is more likely to get writers to treat Circe as a serious character to you?
[QUOTE]So it's beneath Lex Luthor to dress like a biker because he has oodles of power and money, but the want to be queen of the world that has unbelievable levels of magical power can dress like a dom? Where does that make sense to you?[/QUOTE]
It's not beneath Luthor to dress like a biker because he has power and money. HE would consider dressing that way beneath him because he views himself as a refined gentleman. The money and power don't even factor into it. Lex could lose all his money and toys tomorrow, and he still wouldn't start dressing like a biker, unless it was part of some scheme of his that would serve his purpose.
Circe has been a sexy character for pretty much as long as she's existed in DC. She's powerful AND she likes to dress and act sexy. If tomorrow DC produces a male character with lots of money and power who also likes to dress in some kind of sexy fashion? You won't hear me complaining about it.
[QUOTE]And like I said before, the pants/no-pants are not a part of my consideration. And MoW Circe showed a lot less that what you can see at the beach on a sunny day.[/QUOTE]
The pants are proof-positive that this outfit of Circe's is in no way intended to be exploitative or oversexualized. All things considered, it's a pretty modest outfit.
There's nothing remotely modest about MOW Circe's "outfit." One stiff breeze, and she's showing you everything.
[QUOTE]MoW was supposed to be read with the reader stepping into Joe Rock's boots, and Joe was launched into a battlefield somewhere and started to see some strange things going down. Then Circe appears and he finds himself about a kilometer above ground and receives a lecture on how he and his colleagues are trespassing on grounds meant for greater powers before getting dropped only to wake up in the plane heading back to base with a milling mile stare on his face.[/QUOTE]
And please, explain to me how any of this translates to presenting Circe as a serious character? She showed up, gave a guy a lap dance, gave him an obscure warning, and then let him go. Big deal.
Tomasi's Circe is taking on Superman and Wonder Woman, and she's currently winning. And she's doing it while wearing clothes and not acting like a ditz.
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Circe looked pretty evil if only because Mahnke drew her. Even Wonder Woman does. I totally saw the craze in her eyes.
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Let me remind everyone that Circe had [B][COLOR="#FF0000"]blood red hair[/COLOR][/B] and a pretty creepy routine in the Silver and Bronze Ages. She was always rooted in the horror genre, and the new take is merely a rehab of the old.
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[QUOTE=Mel Dyer;967948]Let me remind everyone that Circe had [B][COLOR="#FF0000"]blood red hair[/COLOR][/B] and a pretty creepy routine in the Silver and Bronze Ages. She was always rooted in the horror genre, and the new take is merely a rehab of the old.[/QUOTE]
New circe pass me a lot of feelings, but not horror
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[QUOTE=Blacksun;968389]New circe pass me a lot of feelings, but not horror[/QUOTE]
She's not supposed to be horrific. Circe is a treacherous, cunning witch, not a monster. Her design could be a tad more extravagant and regal-looking but to me she looks pretty cool.
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[QUOTE=Marquesse_de_Sade;968473]She's not supposed to be horrific. Circe is a treacherous, cunning witch, not a monster. Her design could be a tad more extravagant and regal-looking but to me she looks pretty cool.[/QUOTE]
she is not a monster, right. But she looks like a dominatrix or anything else, but not like a witch
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[QUOTE=Marquesse_de_Sade;968473]She's not supposed to be horrific. Circe is a treacherous, cunning witch, not a monster. Her design could be a tad more extravagant and regal-looking but to me she looks pretty cool.[/QUOTE]
There must be something wrong with me! I didn't even noticed the way she was dressed! I was paying more attention to the way the story was unfolding then the way she was dressed. What's so great about her outfit?? It not sexy to me! Just like i never got the big deal with WW outfit!! It's just a outfit she wears in combat, it not sexy!! WW look like a warrior, always has, WW has never looked like a pinup model in her heroine outfitl!!
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[QUOTE=chlj1;968609]There must be something wrong with me! I didn't even noticed the way she was dressed! I was paying more attention to the way the story was unfolding then the way she was dressed. What's so great about her outfit?? It not sexy to me! Just like i never got the big deal with WW outfit!! It's just a outfit she wears in combat, it not sexy!! WW look like a warrior, always has, WW has never looked like a pinup model in her heroine outfitl!![/QUOTE]
Costumes are iconic and a structural part of the character's appeal, it can completely change your perception of them. Chiang's Wonder Woman looked like a warrior despite the bathing suit, she was strong, her boots were awesome, overall she looked fantastic and her costume actually looked like volleyball/track and field attire. However Daniel's, wearing almost the exact same bathing suit, looked more like a stripper from eastern europe and that combined with Soule's mediocre characterization, really put me off. Finch's Wonder Woman looks super delicate, it feels like if you bump against that woman, you'll break her. Details do matter, a bunch really, it can make or break a character for sure. Circe doesn't look like a dominatrix to me, her look matches her personality rather nicely I think so I'm pleased with it.