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[QUOTE=KurtW95;3716983]My God can they please throw Gabby into the sun.[/QUOTE]
I third this notion.
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Anyone else feel like the only reason Laura is in Red is so Taylor can write Gabby?
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[QUOTE=Beaubier;3719069]Anyone else feel like the only reason Laura is in Red is so Taylor can write Gabby?[/QUOTE]
I should think so. He does better work over at DC but with Marvel he's out of his league.
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[QUOTE=Beaubier;3719069]Anyone else feel like the only reason Laura is in Red is so Taylor can write Gabby?[/QUOTE]
I think that's part of the reason, but I don't think that's the [I]only [/I]reason. Taylor created Gabby and is clearly very fond of her. It's only logical that he would want to keep writing her and I think he writes her well. Gabby does a lot to really lighten the mood in X-men Red. Without her, it would be an overly serious book. I'm glad she's there and I'm glad Taylor enjoys writing her so much. :o
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[QUOTE=KurtW95;3716983]My God can they please throw Gabby into the sun.[/QUOTE]
Let's not.
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[QUOTE=MarvelMaster616;3719110]I think that's part of the reason, but I don't think that's the [I]only [/I]reason. Taylor created Gabby and is clearly very fond of her. It's only logical that he would want to keep writing her and I think he writes her well. Gabby does a lot to really lighten the mood in X-men Red. Without her, it would be an overly serious book. I'm glad she's there and I'm glad Taylor enjoys writing her so much. :o[/QUOTE]
While I understand why people really like Gabby, it just is frustrating to some long term Laura fans because it felt like ANW was more of a deuteragonist series and it feels like Laura doesn't really have a role in X-Men Red at all.
It would be one thing if All New Wolverine had largely focused on Laura, and X-Men Red was Gabby's time to shine; but so many important moments to Laura were cut in ANW for Gabby to say a punchline.
To be honest, I think Taylor's doing more harm than good for Gabby in the long run by focusing too much on her. If fans associate her with other characters losing page time (Laura, Gambit, Storm), she's going to quickly be stereotyped by fans as 'the Scrappy'.
I think Gabby has great potential, but not if writers keep the spotlight constantly on her. I especially think we're going to see more criticisms of her character if Tamaki chooses to keep the focus more on Gabby, than Laura...
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Tom Taylor cannot just do what he wants at Marvel. Gabby is clearly popular enough that Marvel wants to capitalise on that, considering she's in the crucial early stages of her "career" (for lack of a better term) that will go a long way to determining whether she has longevity.
Also, just talking smack about creators and characters without articulating why in a forum is basic. I would ask some people to be constructive or don't bother please. It'd be nice for this thread to get back to being a bit more positive in terms of discourse, regardless of differences of opinion. We're about to get a new solo series after all!
[B]RoamingGnome8[/B] - I disagree that Gabby pulled too much focus in ANW, but I can also recognise how her humour and levity could not be to people's tastes, and/or that it was possible to want more primacy for Laura in ANW. I liked Gabby in Hawkeye (a perfect book for her to guest in), and there's no real point going into the Ghost Rider arc, but it will definitely be interesting to see how Tamaki uses her.
As stated above, I also think that now is the time to strike while the iron is hot with Gabby, so I think it would be a bigger disservice to not use her in Red. Red is still in the first arc though, so I would say it's too early to judge Gabby (or Laura, [B]Beaubier[/B], since the first arc is clearly predominantly about Jean's return to a world that has not moved on as much as she would have hoped) in there one way or another, but she's not overly taking focus in my opinion.
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[QUOTE=Beaubier;3719069]Anyone else feel like the only reason Laura is in Red is so Taylor can write Gabby?[/QUOTE]
I think that's probably true to some extent, I mean you can't have Gabby without Laura. At least not yet.
I've said before that I think Taylor isn't very well suited to writing Laura. He's a bit like Bendis in the sense that he likes witty, quippy dialog. If he wrote a screenplay, it would be Guardians of the Galaxy, not Logan. So his "voice" for Laura was a bit shaky to start out, but then he "lucked into" Gabby and she became a crutch for the remainder of the ANW run. Laura was mostly just generic action girl number 23 who played straight man to Gabby's comedy.
P.S. Also, should Gabby take off and become a popular character in her own right that eventually makes it into movies and video games, Taylor stands to make a lot of money down the line. Just saying. Might be a reason every team writer ends up with a new "OC" mutant student instead of taking on the creations of the previous writer, don't you think?
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[QUOTE=The Dying Detective;3713456]It does look way cooler if Laura keep the jacket on at all times it gives her more personality.[/QUOTE]
Like I said earlier in the thread, I wouldn't be sure Laura will keep a jacket just yet. There's a reason why that image is the "first version" of the cover, and from what I've been told, they had Choi do a new version precisely because they decided to drop the jacket and domino mask. We will see.
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[QUOTE=Jumpyshark;3719537]Tom Taylor cannot just do what he wants at Marvel. Gabby is clearly popular enough that Marvel wants to capitalise on that, considering she's in the crucial early stages of her "career" (for lack of a better term) that will go a long way to determining whether she has longevity.
Also, just talking smack about creators and characters without articulating why in a forum is basic. I would ask some people to be constructive or don't bother please. It'd be nice for this thread to get back to being a bit more positive in terms of discourse, regardless of differences of opinion. We're about to get a new solo series after all!
[B]RoamingGnome8[/B] - I disagree that Gabby pulled too much focus in ANW, but I can also recognise how her humour and levity could not be to people's tastes, and/or that it was possible to want more primacy for Laura in ANW. I liked Gabby in Hawkeye (a perfect book for her to guest in), and there's no real point going into the Ghost Rider arc, but it will definitely be interesting to see how Tamaki uses her.
As stated above, I also think that now is the time to strike while the iron is hot with Gabby, so I think it would be a bigger disservice to not use her in Red. Red is still in the first arc though, so I would say it's too early to judge Gabby (or Laura, [B]Beaubier[/B], since the first arc is clearly predominantly about Jean's return to a world that has not moved on as much as she would have hoped) in there one way or another, but she's not overly taking focus in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
One of the big examples is Orphans of X. The death of Sarah Kinney has been something that shaped Laura tremendously. We see it regularly pop up, for example in New X-Men as a source of guilt, and also in Target X reading the letter on the bus. In many ways I'd categorize it as what Laura sees as 'her greatest sin'.
I was apprehensive when Taylor revealed that the person in the tank was Laura's mother, because I felt like there was a possibility it was going to be used more for shock- value. That being said, I thought at the very least there could be a great moment with Sarah apologizing for her involvement in Laura's abuse and Laura finally realizing that Sarah's death wasn't her fault, and the question of what would Laura do after she finally moved past that guilt...
Instead we got a very lackluster moment with Sarah and Laura; with the focus mainly on Gabby excited at the prospect of having a mother and cutely suggesting to braid Jonathan's hair. Was it cute? Sure, but it's not really the moment fans were wanting after years of Sarah's death hanging over Laura.
I felt a little cheated by Orphans of X, because it should have been a Laura story. Gabby and Jonathan were the focal point of the next story- so I don't understand why Taylor couldn't have let the focus be more on Laura's relationships with Megan, Sarah, and Daken in this arc.
Personally I also think a glaring problem with X-Men Red is there's little interaction with the characters. Even in the annual, Jean didn't really interact with anyone- just narrated her opinions/experience, until meeting up with Nightcrawler, Laura, and Gabby.
So far the characters to get strongly developed are Jean, Gabby, and Trinary.
Gambit, Gentle, Laura, Namor, Nightcrawler, and Storm just feel awkwardly there.
While I love Storm- I am not by any means one of those fans that think Storm has to be the focal point of everything; but I do think it's been a little disappointing to not see her interact with Gambit, Jean, Laura, or Gentle.
While it's still early in the run, it does trouble me that many of the flaws I found in ANW, seem to be showing up in this book.
I'm going to be honest, if Tamaki's solo is written exactly the same as ANW- I'm probably going to drop it after the first arc. I'm hopeful that it won't be, that Tamaki will return to a more Kyle/Yost styled book, but if not I may take a break from reading X-23 for a bit.
I don't think ANW is a bad book, but it just doesn't fit my tastes. What I really enjoyed about Laura, was that she was a darker and at times flawed female character than we usually get. I liked that her story was about someone who had been abused at a young age, now trying to find her place in life. Trying to be more than being a weapon.
I haven't liked that Taylor's erased or hand waved a lot of that trauma away, and I don't like that there isn't more of a balance in the storytelling between Gabby and Laura, that Gabby tends to get more of the focus. I stuck out ANW until the end, but I just don't think I can do that again with this series if it ends up being more of the same.
Sorry this was really long and a little rant-y! This is just my opinion on the matter.
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[QUOTE=XCE;3719782]Like I said earlier in the thread, I wouldn't be sure Laura will keep a jacket just yet. There's a reason why that image is the "first version" of the cover, and from what I've been told, they had Choi do a new version precisely because they decided to drop the jacket and domino mask. We will see.[/QUOTE]
Yes it is a big if one that will take a while to answer how unfortunate.
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What work does Tamaki has under her bell previous to the X-23 series?
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[QUOTE=TheCape;3719872]What work does Tamaki has under her bell previous to the X-23 series?[/QUOTE]
She did the most recent run of She-Hulk out of Civil War II, and Supergirl: Being Super. The former was not well-received because they were taking a generally fun character and using her to explore the effects of PTSD. I think she's done more Indie stuff in the past.
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[QUOTE=Ambaryerno;3719887]She did the most recent run of She-Hulk out of Civil War II, and Supergirl: Being Super. The former was not well-received because they were taking a generally fun character and using her to explore the effects of PTSD. I think she's done more Indie stuff in the past.[/QUOTE]
She hulk is a plus for us. The last issue was the best and a pitch for a x book. Also she handled the ptsd well and thats good for laura. Shes also doing claws of a killer hunt for wolverine tie in.
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[QUOTE=Dthirds3;3719949]She hulk is a plus for us. The last issue was the best and a pitch for a x book. Also she handled the ptsd well and thats good for laura. Shes also doing claws of a killer hunt for wolverine tie in.[/QUOTE]
I’m really enjoying Claws of a Killer so far. It has the kind of tone I want to see in Laura’s book.