It doesn't have to be that explicit. At least show she is attracted to women. So far, there is a case with Yukio.
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It doesn't have to be that explicit. At least show she is attracted to women. So far, there is a case with Yukio.
[QUOTE=Arya;1387905]Those were his insecurities and fears because he knew that Storm loved yukio and it was mutual. He on some level felt threatened by that. It happens to a lot of straight people. They erroneously fear that when they date a bisexual person they won't stay monogamous. Bp is old school. His insecurities had nothing to do with Storm's fidility. The point is he overcame them and saw that despite Storm's love and attraction to Yukio Storm had married him.[/QUOTE]
To be honest, though, its still an assumption to see anything sexual in that scan between Ororo and Yukio. I think some people want Storm to be bi and they try and fit anything they see into that reality. That's the thing about it, its all about assumptions and wishful thinking on this aspect of Ororo with some of her fanbase.
That said, have you ever watched "Charmed" on television? If you look at that show, those sister witches are always stroking each other's hair and faces trying to console one another, etc. They have the same parents, too, and they are 100% straight. The same logic can be applied to the Storm/Yukio thing in the scan as well. Also, Kitty is definitely straight, yet she has her arm draped across Ororo. Again, its a reach to say there is anything between Ororo and Yukio beyond friendship in that scan.
I think T'challa was just shocked to see Storm in that setting with those people sprawled out like that. She tends to be much more modest than that and prefers more modest settings.
"kitty is definitely straight" best joke in this thread.
(Storm being modest is a good one, too)
[QUOTE=Nicoclaws;1388266]"kitty is definitely straight" best joke in this thread.
(Storm being modest is a good one, too)[/QUOTE]
Wait, now you're trying to claim Kitty is not straight? Is there anybody you guys think is straight?
Storm has always been modest when it comes to certain kinds of attention. For instance, in the Aussie years, when the girls went out on the town for a night, people were looking at her and checking her out because she's beautiful. She didn't really get it and it made her feel uncomfortable when her fellow teammates explained to her what was going on. She doesn't like that kind of attention which would make that scan wierd and out-of-character for her if some form of mental manipulation were not involved.
[QUOTE=rutog98;1388275]Wait, now you're trying to claim Kitty is not straight? Is there anybody you guys think is straight?
Storm has always been modest when it comes to certain kinds of attention. For instance, in the Aussie years, when the girls went out on the town for a night, people were looking at her and checking her out because she's beautiful. She didn't really get it and it made her feel uncomfortable when her fellow teammates explained to her what was going on. She doesn't like that kind of attention which would make that scan wierd and out-of-character for her if some form of mental manipulation were not involved.[/QUOTE]
You are mistaking modesty with not understanding why others were attracted to her. That made her uncomfortablebut it didn't involve much of any behavior change. She still rocked the dress.
I don't doubt that kitty is straight but her relationship with Rachel with Xian during Mekanix showed kitty wasn't narrow. There are other instances too. Things are not black and white and Storm wanting to spend the rest of her life with Yukio should give you pause. That type of relationship isn't family. It's something else.
[QUOTE=rutog98;1388260]To be honest, though, its still an assumption to see anything sexual in that scan between Ororo and Yukio. I think some people want Storm to be bi and they try and fit anything they see into that reality. That's the thing about it, its all about assumptions and wishful thinking on this aspect of Ororo with some of her fanbase.
That said, have you ever watched "Charmed" on television? If you look at that show, those sister witches are always stroking each other's hair and faces trying to console one another, etc. They have the same parents, too, and they are 100% straight. The same logic can be applied to the Storm/Yukio thing in the scan as well. Also, Kitty is definitely straight, yet she has her arm draped across Ororo. Again, its a reach to say there is anything between Ororo and Yukio beyond friendship in that scan.
I think T'challa was just shocked to see Storm in that setting with those people sprawled out like that. She tends to be much more modest than that and prefers more modest settings.[/QUOTE]
Um, that scan implies that all the X-Men are having an orgy. It's in the dialogue, too. This isn't friendly lolling about here. Peter is apparently penetrating Kitty Pryde.
Storm isn't modest, she's free with her body and thinks nudity is no big deal.
[QUOTE=Arya;1387913]No because it was a separate universe and Storm and Namor were married. Last time I heckled having sex with the man you married isn't cheating especially when the other marriage never existed.[/QUOTE]
It was still 616 the telepaths were confined cause they saw through the deception. That chunk of reality was changed but it stopped at the wall. Additionally humble and modest are not words that describe Storm.
[QUOTE=ExodusCloak;1388469]It was still 616 the telepaths were confined cause they saw through the deception. That chunk of reality was changed but it stopped at the wall. Additionally humble and modest are not words that describe Storm.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't change the fact that it was another reality with a different history where Ororo and T'challa never met. If she had come back and continued being with Namor then you could say she had an affair. I agree with the rest of what you said except for the humble part.
[QUOTE=rutog98;1388275]Wait, now you're trying to claim Kitty is not straight? Is there anybody you guys think is straight?.[/QUOTE]
I suppose one can only take one revelation per day but yeah, Claremont meant for Kitty to be Bi which upset John Byrne since he based her on a girl her knew.
Basically every girl Claremont writes is bi, it's a trope of his
[QUOTE]Ambiguously Gay: Mystique/Destiny, Karma, Northstar
Surely it's more "Every woman is bisexual"?
And a few of the men. His novelization for the third X-Men movie has Iceman practically melting (no pun intended) over Angel.
Northstar's homosexuality was introduced by John Byrne in Alpha Flight and Karma's by other writers during Claremont's absence from the X-books; he did use them in stories of his own, though. As Claremont wrote them, Mystique and Destiny were an unambiguously lesbian couple (his plan to reveal them as Nightcrawler's parents, with Mystique as the biological father was nixed by his editors), it was other writers who introduced heterosexual relationships into Mystique's biography. Since at the time of Claremont's first run homosexuality could not be addressed openly and he does have a predilection to write about close friendships as well as strong female characters who are not defined by their romantic relationships, people who like to see Les Yay and Foe Yay everywhere have a field day with his stories. Thus one critic in the mid-1980s read rather squicky subtexts into the relationships between young teenagers Kitty Pryde and Rogue and their mentors/surrogate mothers Storm and Mystique ([B]overlooking the much more obvious and probably intentional lesbian undertones to the friendship between Storm and Yukio[/B]).[/QUOTE]
[url]http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/ChrisClaremont[/url]
It may be "squicky" to the reviewer but it was fine for many people reading it that way.
[QUOTE]Getting Crap Past the Radar: Famously refers to Destiny as Mystique's "leman" near the end of his most well-known run — yes, that means "lover."[/QUOTE]
So he was good at veiling situations.
Okay so all we've got is Yukio Storm. I guess that's a wrap.
[QUOTE=Triniking1234;1388030]I love this. Well played.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=PretenderNX01;1388581]I suppose one can only take one revelation per day but yeah, Claremont meant for Kitty to be Bi which upset John Byrne since he based her on a girl her knew.
Basically every girl Claremont writes is bi, it's a trope of his
[url]http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/ChrisClaremont[/url]
It may be "squicky" to the reviewer but it was fine for many people reading it that way.[/QUOTE]
I think what they were saying was 'squicky' was reading that subtext into kitty/storm and rogue/mystique (their 'mother' figures) which would be squeezed squicky, not storm/yuriko itself.
[QUOTE=Shawn Hopkins;1388321]Um, that scan implies that all the X-Men are having an orgy. It's in the dialogue, too. This isn't friendly lolling about here. Peter is apparently penetrating Kitty Pryde.
Storm isn't modest, she's free with her body and thinks nudity is no big deal.[/QUOTE]
I mean she's modest is some regards. Of all the X-Woman, I'd say she's the slowest to bond with somebody in such a way that she would be comfortable going to bed with them. Orgies would be way out-of-character for her. The only reason she was acting way out-of-character here was because of Psycho-Man's influence. Nudity does not equal promiscious where Storm is concerned.
A lot of you are forgetting one key factor in sexual orientation. It is up to the [B]individual[/B] to claim which preference they are (or aren't). I'm quite appalled that a few members of the LGBTQ-whatever community are ignorant of this. No one but [B]you[/B] tells you that you are gay/bi/etc.
As such, without a scan of Storm claiming she is bi, it isn't canon (likewise, it's not canon that she's strictly heterosexual).
Storm, however, is a fictional character (like, duh?) and cannot decide these things for herself. Previous writers' intentions can only go so far and, in the comic book world, "facts" are whisked away left and right.
So...basically...both sides are seeing what they want to see.
[QUOTE=Star_Jammer;1388964]A lot of you are forgetting one key factor in sexual orientation. It is up to the [B]individual[/B] to claim which preference they are (or aren't). I'm quite appalled that a few members of the LGBTQ-whatever community are ignorant of this. No one but [B]you[/B] tells you that you are gay/bi/etc.
As such, without a scan of Storm claiming she is bi, it isn't canon (likewise, it's not canon that she's strictly heterosexual).
Storm, however, is a fictional character (like, duh?) and cannot decide these things for herself. Previous writers' intentions can only go so far and, in the comic book world, "facts" are whisked away left and right.
So...basically...both sides are seeing what they want to see.[/QUOTE]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS]Until I see Ororo get into bed with another woman -- with the explicit intent of having sex; this thread is nothing short of rabid fan-fic.[/FONT]
With Storm now being the leading face of the xmen again i was hoping to see quality thread about her role and choices for the xbooks. Not pointless threads that cheapen the character. she's not black not straight not even a women.
[QUOTE=Star_Jammer;1388964]A lot of you are forgetting one key factor in sexual orientation. It is up to the [B]individual[/B] to claim which preference they are (or aren't). I'm quite appalled that a few members of the LGBTQ-whatever community are ignorant of this. No one but [B]you[/B] tells you that you are gay/bi/etc.
As such, without a scan of Storm claiming she is bi, it isn't canon (likewise, it's not canon that she's strictly heterosexual).
Storm, however, is a fictional character (like, duh?) and cannot decide these things for herself. Previous writers' intentions can only go so far and, in the comic book world, "facts" are whisked away left and right.
So...basically...both sides are seeing what they want to see.[/QUOTE]
Jeen told Bobby he is gay so I guess we are all wrong lol! A telepath has to tell someone that they are gay.
[QUOTE=N'Dare;1389082]Jeen told Bobby he is gay so I guess we are all wrong lol! A telepath has to tell someone that they are gay.[/QUOTE]
She was reading thoughts he was telling himself. Doesn't have any real life applications (which makes things out to be the only way I can "accept" it as it is).
Much like comic book retcons.
If Jeen had done the same to Storm, we'd be having a different conversation.
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;1389081]With Storm now being the leading face of the xmen again i was hoping to see quality thread about her role and choices for the xbooks. Not pointless threads that cheapen the character. she's not black not straight not even a women.[/QUOTE]
Make one yourself. It's a free country.
[QUOTE=DDD;1389105]Make one yourself. It's a free country.[/QUOTE]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS]That's the problem with threads like these -- some readers make up stories whole cloth; fully expecting others to agree with their fantasies.[/FONT]
How come mods don't participate in this thread and the "mixture of all races" thread?
I see them post at the CBR Community forums.
[QUOTE=RLAAMJR.;1389162]How come mods don't participate in this thread and the "mixture of all races" thread?
I see them post at the CBR Community forums.[/QUOTE]
Why do you care?
[QUOTE=Star_Jammer;1388964]A lot of you are forgetting one key factor in sexual orientation. It is up to the [B]individual[/B] to claim which preference they are (or aren't). I'm quite appalled that a few members of the LGBTQ-whatever community are ignorant of this. No one but [B]you[/B] tells you that you are gay/bi/etc.
As such, without a scan of Storm claiming she is bi, it isn't canon (likewise, it's not canon that she's strictly heterosexual).
Storm, however, is a fictional character (like, duh?) and cannot decide these things for herself. Previous writers' intentions can only go so far and, in the comic book world, "facts" are whisked away left and right.
So...basically...both sides are seeing what they want to see.[/QUOTE]
If the writer behind a fictional character says it is bi and that they specifically meant the very sexually charged relationship they developed to demonstrate that, then that character is bisexual whether it literally says that or not.
Not believing a character is LGBT unless that character announces it or demonstrates it an explicitly sexual scene is a ridiculous standard. There would be next to no LGBT characters in fiction by that metric, since well-written stories aren't usually so sledgehammer obvious.
[QUOTE=Shawn Hopkins;1389206]If the writer behind a fictional character says it is bi and that they specifically meant the very sexually charged relationship they developed to demonstrate that, then that character is bisexual whether it literally says that or not.
Not believing a character is LGBT unless that character announces it or demonstrates it an explicitly sexual scene is a ridiculous standard. There would be next to no LGBT characters in fiction by that metric, since well-written stories aren't usually so sledgehammer obvious.[/QUOTE]
Thank you. I agree.
[QUOTE=Shawn Hopkins;1389206]If the writer behind a fictional character says it is bi and that they specifically meant the very sexually charged relationship they developed to demonstrate that, then that character is bisexual whether it literally says that or not.
Not believing a character is LGBT unless that character announces it or demonstrates it an explicitly sexual scene is a ridiculous standard. There would be next to no LGBT characters in fiction by that metric, since well-written stories aren't usually so sledgehammer obvious.[/QUOTE]
I'm just going to say "no"
He was not allowed (by Marvel ) to do it so even if he wanted to, he can't. if he wanted Storm to be bi but he can't, then Storm isn't bi.
Besides, Pak already showed us in Storm #3 that Storm and Yukio are just friends.
Wein and Cockrum didn't create Storm to be bisexual and keeping her straight as the creators written her to be ( and Marvel too ), writers and readers should respect that.
[QUOTE=RLAAMJR.;1389162]How come mods don't participate in this thread and the "mixture of all races" thread?
I see them post at the CBR Community forums.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Arya;1389182]Why do you care?[/QUOTE]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS]I'll go out on a limb here and say RLAAMJR cares because if a "MOD" did agreed with him in any form or fashion he ̶c̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶would declare himself indisputably correct in his analysis of Ororo's sexual preference[COLOR="#A9A9A9"](s)[/COLOR] ;)[/FONT]
[QUOTE=RLAAMJR.;1389217]I'm just going to say "no"
He was not allowed (by Marvel ) to do it so even if he wanted to, he can't. if he wanted Storm to be bi but he can't, then Storm isn't bi.
Besides, Pak already showed us in Storm #3 that Storm and Yukio are just friends.
Wein and Cockrum didn't create Storm to be bisexual and keeping her straight as the creators written her to be ( and Marvel too ), writers and readers should respect that.[/QUOTE]
What are you going to do when it's confirmed?
[QUOTE=RLAAMJR.;1389217]I'm just going to say "no"
He was not allowed (by Marvel ) to do it so even if he wanted to, he can't. if he wanted Storm to be bi but he can't, then Storm isn't bi.[/QUOTE]
I hate to say it but I agree with that. Even with implications that she can be bisexual and can be read as such without changing anything in the books, as long as she doesn't identify, it's up in the air.
Claiming she is straight is the same, though.
[QUOTE=BlkGldBlu;1389081]With Storm now being the leading face of the xmen again i was hoping to see quality thread about her role and choices for the xbooks. Not pointless threads that cheapen the character. she's not black not straight not even a women.[/QUOTE]
Nice to know not being straight cheapens a character somehow.
are any of the x-men women gay or bi-sexual at all?
i can't think of any but i haven't been reading as often as when i was younger.
[QUOTE=roy;1389318]are any of the x-men women gay or bi-sexual at all?
i can't think of any but i haven't been reading as often as when i was younger.[/QUOTE]
If we're just sticking to the heroes, Karma and Bling! are confirmed as lesbian. Psylocke and Mercury are open to the idea of relationships with women, so bisexual/bi-curious fits, I suppose.
Plus obviously Mystique, but she is a villain most of the time.
[QUOTE=Star_Jammer;1388964]A lot of you are forgetting one key factor in sexual orientation. It is up to the individual to claim which preference they are (or aren't). [SIZE=4] I'm quite appalled that a few members of the LGBTQ-whatever community are ignorant of this. [/SIZE] No one but you tells you that you are gay/bi/etc.
As such, [B][U]without a scan of Storm claiming she is bi, it isn't canon[/U][/B] (likewise, it's not canon that she's strictly heterosexual).[/QUOTE]
By the same logic... please post the scan where Storm claims she's straight :p Or does your lecturing only go one way? I mean you have people in this thread CLEARLY against the idea of her being bisexual because they have issue with all things LGBT, and yet you lecture the LGBT posters? REALLY? A poster called Storm coming out as bisexual "cheapening" the character; where is your indignity to that? Where is your soap box, now? I thought so... Good to see you've got your priorities str8 ('scuse the pun)
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they especially mentionned "(likewise, it's not canon that she's strictly heterosexual)"
[QUOTE=RLAAMJR.;1389217]I'm just going to say "no"
He was not allowed (by Marvel ) to do it so even if he wanted to, he can't. if he wanted Storm to be bi but he can't, then Storm isn't bi.
Besides, Pak already showed us in Storm #3 that Storm and Yukio are just friends.
Wein and Cockrum didn't create Storm to be bisexual and keeping her straight as the creators written her to be ( and Marvel too ), writers and readers should respect that.[/QUOTE]
Aha, but they did allow it. All the not-so-subtle on-panel indications that Storm is bi passed a Marvel editor. So it's officially Marvel-approved and thus canon.
And c'mon. Wein wrote Storm hby imself for one appearance before handing her to Claremont. Cockrum created an interesting visual but it was based on ideas he had for Legion of Superheroes characters. She was Claremont's baby and he's the one who shaped her.
[QUOTE=Kieran_Frost;1389433]By the same logic... please post the scan where Storm claims she's straight :p Or does your lecturing only go one way? I mean you have people in this thread CLEARLY against the idea of her being bisexual because they have issue with all things LGBT, and yet you lecture the LGBT posters? REALLY? A poster called Storm coming out as bisexual "cheapening" the character; where is your indignity to that? Where is your soap box, now? I thought so... Good to see you've got your priorities str8 ('scuse the pun)
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Did you read what I said in the ( ) after what you bolded, or where you fervently searching for a snappy gif? ;)
Moreover, did you read the last line in my post? You only quoted a portion, so I have to ask...
[QUOTE=Star_Jammer;1389498]Did you read what I said in the ( ) after what you bolded, or where you fervently searching for a snappy gif? ;)
Moreover, did you read the last line in my post? You only quoted a portion, so I have to ask...[/QUOTE]
I read it, and I disagree. We don't need an on-panel, direct announcement from the character to make it bi. Unless we're in denial about all the obvious signs because of some kind of gay panic.
[QUOTE=Shawn Hopkins;1389486]Aha, but they did allow it. All the not-so-subtle on-panel indications that Storm is bi passed a Marvel editor. So it's officially Marvel-approved and thus canon.
[/QUOTE]
Post them already. This thread is not asking for opinions weither she is straight or bi. I specifically asked for evidence, hints and signs of bisexuality.
There is no gay panic on my part and if others are in one, that's their problem. Please, stop debating what each other thinks and debate what you think Storm thinks based on comics and interviews.
[QUOTE=Shawn Hopkins;1389539]I read it, and I disagree. We don't need an on-panel, direct announcement from the character to make it bi. Unless we're in denial about all the obvious signs because of some kind of gay panic.[/QUOTE]
Signs of romance (and not confirmation, mind you) with one member of the same sex does not a bisexual make.
[QUOTE=Shawn Hopkins;1389539]I read it, and I disagree. We don't need an on-panel, direct announcement from the character to make it bi. Unless we're in denial about all the obvious signs because of some kind of gay panic.[/QUOTE]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS]Err... Isn't that exactly what's being used to support the belief that Storm is a mixture of all races despite the fact that her birth parents are both of Black African decent?
[QUOTE=Star_Jammer;1389607]Signs of romance (and not confirmation, mind you) with one member of the same sex does not a bisexual make.[/QUOTE]
It does in the world of the rabid fan-boy(girl). All one needs to do is isolate a single frame that can be taken "Out of Character" [COLOR="#A9A9A9"](so to speak)[/COLOR], and presto! The deliberate misdirection takes on a life of it's own.[/FONT]
[QUOTE=Shawn Hopkins;1389539]I read it, and I disagree. [B]We don't need an on-panel, direct announcement from the character to make it bi.[/B] Unless we're in denial about all the obvious signs because of some kind of gay panic.[/QUOTE]
Totally ignoring the fact Star Jammer said about Ororo being a ficitonal character hence we actually need the creative team to submit a story about it to confirm her bisexuality.
[QUOTE=Star_Jammer;1389607]Signs of romance (and not confirmation, mind you) with one member of the same sex does not a bisexual make.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. You people should go read a webcomic called "Go Get a Roomie".