[QUOTE=Kieran_Frost;1389433]A poster called Storm coming out as bisexual "cheapening" the character; where is your indignity to that?[/QUOTE]
Inconsequential, this thread is still open and you can prove she is bi anyway.
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[QUOTE=Kieran_Frost;1389433]A poster called Storm coming out as bisexual "cheapening" the character; where is your indignity to that?[/QUOTE]
Inconsequential, this thread is still open and you can prove she is bi anyway.
[QUOTE=DDD;1389617]Inconsequential, this thread is still open and you can prove she is bi anyway.[/QUOTE]
Snopes It's weird that you want proof. It's obvious to most people.
I've kissed a few girls in my time. I would hate for people to assume I'm bisexual because of that.
I'm a boy that likes boys, by the way.
[QUOTE=Triniking1234;1389613]Totally ignoring the fact Star Jammer said about Ororo being a ficitonal character hence we actually need the creative team to submit a story about it to confirm her bisexuality.
Exactly. You people should go read a webcomic called "Go Get a Roomie".[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Star_Jammer;1389607]Signs of romance (and not confirmation, mind you) with one member of the same sex does not a bisexual make.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't exclude it either. What's the harm or fear based response that precludes it?
Please, stop defending her straightness. It's already been shown she likes men. Find bi evidence. Were Storm's hands a bit too busy protecting her "Kitten"? What would make you think she'd jump on a woman? When she gave herself to Rogue? They didn't kiss. Did she take an infamous shower with Psylocke?
[QUOTE=Nicoclaws;1389309]I hate to say it but I agree with that. Even with implications that she can be bisexual and can be read as such without changing anything in the books, as long as she doesn't identify, it's up in the air.
Claiming she is straight is the same, though.[/QUOTE]
Well at least we've seen Storm having relationships with men. So she's more likely straight.
[QUOTE=ZNOP;1389252][FONT=Comic Sans MS]I'll go out on a limb here and say RLAAMJR cares because if a "MOD" did agreed with him in any form or fashion he ̶c̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶would declare himself indisputably correct in his analysis of Ororo's sexual preference[COLOR="#A9A9A9"](s)[/COLOR] ;)[/FONT][/QUOTE]
Lol. It really depends on the mods answer. Hehehe :)
[QUOTE=Arya;1389622]Snopes It's weird that you want proof. It's obvious to most people.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like there is none.
[QUOTE=Shawn Hopkins;1389486]Aha, but they did allow it. All the not-so-subtle on-panel indications that Storm is bi passed a Marvel editor. So it's officially Marvel-approved and thus canon.
And c'mon. Wein wrote Storm hby imself for one appearance before handing her to Claremont. Cockrum created an interesting visual but it was based on ideas he had for Legion of Superheroes characters. She was Claremont's baby and he's the one who shaped her.[/QUOTE]
No they didn't .
[QUOTE=Shawn Hopkins;1389539]I read it, and I disagree. We don't need an on-panel, direct announcement from the character to make it bi. Unless we're in denial about all the obvious signs because of some kind of gay panic.[/QUOTE]
I see them as bestfriends, like sisters.
I will not believe you considering that you believe in what you call "obvious signs" of her bisexuality yet you don't believe that Storm is a mixture of all races when it's clearly stated on the scan. Inconsistent.
Please, if you cannot find evidence wait until someone does, Rlaamjr then we can comment on that. I am asking that of "everyone", thanks.
[QUOTE=ZNOP;1389608][FONT=Comic Sans MS]Err... Isn't that exactly what's being used to support the belief that Storm is a mixture of all races despite the fact that her birth parents are both of Black African decent?
It does in the world of the rabid fan-boy(girl). All one needs to do is isolate a single frame that can be taken "Out of Character" [COLOR="#A9A9A9"](so to speak)[/COLOR], and presto! The deliberate misdirection takes on a life of it's own.[/FONT][/QUOTE]
No, because what's happening there is taking a minor character's uninformed speculation as ironclad proof. It's like posting one panel of the "Look, up in the sky!" sequence to "prove" Superman is a bird.
[QUOTE=Triniking1234;1389613]Totally ignoring the fact Star Jammer said about Ororo being a ficitonal character hence we actually need the creative team to submit a story about it to confirm her bisexuality.
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Not ignoring it at all, just saying they are expecting more explicit proof than is really reasonable. That rigid a standard doesn't allow for good and subtle storytelling about LGBT characters.
As far as posting proof, Storm had a female lover. Other people have posted pics and interviews that make that clear. I'm m not sure why not sure why I'm expected to waste bandwidth by posting them again.
[QUOTE=RLAAMJR.;1389638]Well at least we've seen Storm having relationships with men. So she's more likely straight.
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Bisexuality does not exclude having relationships with men.
[QUOTE=Nicoclaws;1389668]Bisexuality does not exclude having relationships with men.[/QUOTE]
And one relationship with a member of the same sex does not make one bisexual.
Sure, maaaaybe there's evidence of Storm having a relationship with Yukio. But just like one hetero relationship does not make a closet-case straight...
[QUOTE=Nicoclaws;1389668]Bisexuality does not exclude having relationships with men.[/QUOTE]
It's part of the definition.
And again people are missing a key component of sexuality: it is not your right to claim that someone is gay, bisexual, or straight. Taking that away from an individual is wrong.
People want what they want (and that's A-OK), but you don't know what they want until they tell you (or you read their mind ::snicker:: ).
If writers of Storm want to keep the issue open, that's well within their right to do so. It just means there is no definitive proof either way.
[QUOTE=Nicoclaws;1389668]Bisexuality does not exclude having relationships with men.[/QUOTE]
I know but if you'll always apply that statement, then that's like saying I can't say my mom and dad are straight because bisexuality does not exclude getting married and having children.
[QUOTE=Kieran_Frost;1389433]By the same logic... please post the scan where Storm claims she's straight :p Or does your lecturing only go one way? I mean you have people in this thread CLEARLY against the idea of her being bisexual because they have issue with all things LGBT, and yet you lecture the LGBT posters? REALLY? A poster called Storm coming out as bisexual "cheapening" the character; where is your indignity to that? Where is your soap box, now? I thought so... Good to see you've got your priorities str8 ('scuse the pun)
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Cyclops didn't claim that he's straight. Batman didn't claim that he's straight. Thor didn't claim that he's straight. Rogue didn't claim that she's straight. Squirrel Girl didn't claim that she straight. I won't go on because there's just too many heroes who didn't claim that they're straight.
[QUOTE=RLAAMJR.;1389688]I know but if you'll always apply that statement, then that's like saying I can't say my mom and dad are straight because bisexuality does not exclude getting married and having children.[/QUOTE]
Yes.
[QUOTE=RLAAMJR.;1389695]Cyclops didn't claim that he's straight. Batman didn't claim that he's straight. Thor didn't claim that he's straight. Rogue didn't claim that she's straight. Squirrel Girl didn't claim that she straight. I won't go on because there's just too many heroes who didn't claim that they're straight.[/QUOTE]
Yes.
[QUOTE=Shawn Hopkins;1389677]It's part of the definition.[/QUOTE]
No.
[QUOTE=Star_Jammer;1389676]And one relationship with a member of the same sex does not make one bisexual.
Sure, maaaaybe there's evidence of Storm having a relationship with Yukio. But just like one hetero relationship does not make a closet-case straight...[/QUOTE]
The difference being really few straights are in the straight-closet or in denial and hooking up with the same sex as them.
[QUOTE=Star_Jammer;1389687]And again people are missing a key component of sexuality: it is not your right to claim that someone is gay, bisexual, or straight. Taking that away from an individual is wrong.
People want what they want (and that's A-OK), but you don't know what they want until they tell you (or you read their mind ::snicker:: ).
If writers of Storm want to keep the issue open, that's well within their right to do so. It just means there is no definitive proof either way.[/QUOTE]
So we can assume whatever we want without imposing one's view, is that right ?
[QUOTE=RLAAMJR.;1389643]No they didn't .
I see them as bestfriends, like sisters.
I will not believe you considering that you believe in what you call "obvious signs" of her bisexuality yet you don't believe that Storm is a mixture of all races when it's clearly stated on the scan. Inconsistent.[/QUOTE]
That's because you can't read. You also don't notice your own hypocrisy on this. There are scans that show Storm's line staying in Africa for thousands of years. You know about them and you pretend they don't exist. Please stop typing.
[QUOTE=Nicoclaws;1389739]So we can assume whatever we want without imposing one's view, is that right ?[/QUOTE]
Sure, you can assume what you want. That's within your right to do so as I cannot impose my will upon you. I would encourage you to look up the "golden rule" about assuming, though.
To address my stance (that you're missing, by the way) though, it's not right to assume anything about anyone (regarding ones sexuality).
[QUOTE=Star_Jammer;1389769]Sure, you can assume what you want. That's within your right to do so as I cannot impose my will upon you. I would encourage you to look up the "golden rule" about assuming, though.
To address my stance (that you're missing, by the way) though, it's not right to assume anything about anyone (regarding ones sexuality).[/QUOTE]
This is fair. I don't agree with it but it is fair.
And you're missing the point that we're talking about characters and stories and not people.
But I admit I assume bisexuality in everybody as a neutral position (and not caring much about it in real life, actually)
[QUOTE=Nicoclaws;1389778]And you're missing the point that we're talking about characters and stories and not people.
But I admit I assume bisexuality in everybody as a neutral position (and not caring much about it in real life, actually)[/QUOTE]
And you missed my post where I halfway addressed this.
To continue that: one writer may write Storm with the intention of being straight, and a follow-up writer may intend otherwise. Leaving things up to interpretation is fine, so long as both sides realize that that is what it is. Without definitive statements one way or the other, neither side is "correct".
[QUOTE=Star_Jammer;1389797]And you missed my post where I halfway addressed this.
To continue that: one writer may write Storm with the intention of being straight, and a follow-up writer may intend otherwise. Leaving things up to interpretation is fine, so long as both sides realize that that is what it is. Without definitive statements one way or the other, neither side is "correct".[/QUOTE]
So we agree.
I'm mostly disagreeing with people saying she cannot be bisexual, though.
[QUOTE=Nicoclaws;1389818]So we agree.
I'm mostly disagreeing with people saying she cannot be bisexual, though.[/QUOTE]
I guess, on the issue of Storm's sexuality, we might. We don't on your other assumptions, though (just for clarity's sake).
[QUOTE=Arya;1389622]Snopes It's weird that you want proof. [B]It's obvious to most people.[/B][/QUOTE]
The f*ck is this? Obvious my @$$.
DDD and I probably only have access to the books where Storm is portrayed as hetero. She's been paired with Bishop, Logan and Forge. So if there are pages out there where she is in a LEGIT sexual relationship with another woman: post it 'cause I sure as hell don't own that book.
[QUOTE=Triniking1234;1389838]The f*ck is this? Obvious my @$$.
DDD and I probably only have access to the books where Storm is portrayed as hetero. She's been paired with Bishop, Logan and Forge. So if there are pages out there where she is in a LEGIT sexual relationship with another woman: post it 'cause I sure as hell don't own that book.[/QUOTE]
Storm was posed with her deepest hearts desire and she chose Yukio. Read those books. You will see it.
[QUOTE=Nicoclaws;1389739]Yes.
Yes.
No.
The difference being really few straights are in the straight-closet or in denial and hooking up with the same sex as them.
So we can assume whatever we want without imposing one's view, is that right ?[/QUOTE]
Storm is straight and you know it so don't deny it.
[QUOTE=RLAAMJR.;1389859]Storm is straight and you know it so don't deny it.[/QUOTE]
Well, that blows the whole "agree to disagree" thing to hell.
[QUOTE=Star_Jammer;1389824]I guess, on the issue of Storm's sexuality, we might. We don't on your other assumptions, though (just for clarity's sake).[/QUOTE]
It was the point of the discussion though.
(Regarding charcters, I see them as projections and narrations. Hence my assuming bisexuality wherever I chose - On real people, I guess I misspoke. I don't assume everybody is bisexual, but that any relation with any gender doesn't exclude any other possibility and until told otherwise, I won't make assumptions. Do I get the meaning of "assume" correctly now ?)
[QUOTE=Arya;1389850]Storm was posed with her deepest hearts desire and she chose Yukio. Read those books. You will see it.[/QUOTE]
That's it?
[QUOTE=Arya;1389850]Storm was posed with her deepest hearts desire and she chose Yukio. Read those books. You will see it.[/QUOTE]
Yes, this way:
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This same way:
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Again: does it make her bi? And again: this is not what [B]DDD[/B] is asking for.
[QUOTE=Shawn Hopkins;1389650]As far as posting proof, Storm had a female lover. Other people have posted pics and interviews that make thatclear. I'm m not sure why not sure why I'm expected to waste bandwidth by posting them again.[/QUOTE]
Sure, lets spend bandwidth bickering with each other.
Straight!
Bi!
Straight!
Bi!
Pawkpawkpawkpawk
[QUOTE=Ricochet Rita;1389908]Yes, this way:
[img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-taXhFlURE9E/ULVS7YhShnI/AAAAAAAADCw/SoYRYF97Dcg/s1600/43.jpg[/img]
This same way:
[img]http://cdn.comicartfans.com/Images/Category_6686/subcat_13543/wmLoveRockets-100Rooms.jpg[/img]
Again: does it make her bi? And again: this is not what [B]DDD[/B] is asking for.[/QUOTE]
What the holy hell is DDD asking for? The whole thing has been laid out with pictures and quotes and tweets from creators. But somehow that's not enough.
How the **** has this gone on for 13 pages?
Storm is as bisexual as she is fictional so, y'all can stick a fork in it already.
Technically Storm didn't choose to stay with Yukio. The crystal tries to manipulate its prey into staying in the illusion world it created.
But I won't deny the fact that Storm's illusion is based on her "desire" to spend more time with Yukio. It still only puts her in the "maybe" category.
[QUOTE=Shawn Hopkins;1389969]What the holy hell is DDD asking for? The whole thing has been laid out with pictures and quotes and tweets from creators. But somehow that's not enough.[/QUOTE]
The "mountain" of evidence. Lay it here and explain YOUR reading of the scene.
[QUOTE=Triniking1234;1390056]Technically Storm didn't choose to stay with Yukio. The crystal tries to manipulate its prey into staying in the illusion world it created.
But I won't deny the fact that Storm's illusion is based on her "desire" to spend more time with Yukio. It still only puts her in the "maybe" category.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Nicoclaws;1389880]It was the point of the discussion though.
(Regarding charcters, I see them as projections and narrations. Hence my assuming bisexuality wherever I chose - On real people, I guess I misspoke. I don't assume everybody is bisexual, but that any relation with any gender doesn't exclude any other possibility and until told otherwise, I won't make assumptions. Do I get the meaning of "assume" correctly now ?)[/QUOTE]
I think it's fine and fair to make assumptions (hey, it's human nature and fully avoiding making them is likely impossible) so long as someone realizes that that's all they are. Hence, at this point in time, "Storm is straight" is no more/less accurate than "Storm is bi".
Asserting an assumption or an interpretation as fact is where my issue lies.
And concerning fictional characters, I think it's important to have those whose sexuality were purposefully put into question lay claim to either side (am vs. am not) unless the writer intends to leave it open to interpretation. In which case, again, that can swing either way (pun probably intended).
Everyone's free to think all characters are bi etc This is an American Comic. Liberty and Freedom! But it's better when statements are backed with f a c t s. Which I am eager to read more of.