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[QUOTE=malachi_munroex;1403634]Are we really debating with Rlaam? Who I remember vividly saying Bobby never wore girl clothes or acted like a girl? Cause that automatically disqualified him from having anything to say about someone's sexuality.[/QUOTE]
Truth and tea go together.
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[QUOTE=Arya;1403598]Marvel isn't a person with one voice. It's a corporation controlled by a bigger corporation. So the way you phrase your question is problematic.[/QUOTE]
You know this yet you choose to base your answer to DDD's question on the actions of one (or maybe two) writer(s)?
This is why I said Storm is hetero because she's currently portrayed by Marvel in heterosexual romantic relationships until they decide otherwise.
Nuff said. Gimme No-Prize.
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[QUOTE=RLAAMJR.;1403684]Im sure there are different levels/types/classes. Im just not sure where to put Iceman but i believe gay is a very broad term so i was thinking Bendis should have been more specific.[/QUOTE]
No gay has a specific definition. A man who wears women clothes does not mean that you are gay. You might be anyway, but it is not a given. There are other definitions for other types of sexuality or behavior. Its called LGBT for a reason and not just gay.
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[QUOTE=Triniking1234;1403765]You know this yet you choose to base your answer to DDD's question on the actions of one (or maybe two) writer(s)?
This is why I said Storm is hetero because she's currently portrayed by Marvel in heterosexual romantic relationships until they decide otherwise.
Nuff said. Gimme No-Prize.[/QUOTE]
Because those two writers wrote that she was and doesn't make her straight just because she's single right now and not in a relationship. When a character is bi that means they can date more than one gender. They don't stop being bi because they are dating someone that is a different gender.
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[QUOTE=Supernature;1403709]Gay is a very specific term.
Not sure what you're on ?[/QUOTE]
Hmmm. I think there are degrees. Im not going to talk further on this cos i might be misunderstood/misinterpreted or worst, make a mistake.
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[QUOTE=Arya;1403774]Because those two writers wrote that she was and doesn't make her straight just because she's single right now and not in a relationship. When a character is bi that means they can date more than one gender. They don't stop being bi because they are dating someone that is a different gender.[/QUOTE]
Once again you're ignoring the fact that it's Marvel's decision of which sexuality to portray her as, not some writer under their employ.
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[QUOTE=Triniking1234;1403807]Once again you're ignoring the fact that it's Marvel's decision of which sexuality to portray her as, not some writer under their employ.[/QUOTE]
That never happened so what are you talking about? They did decide that that's why they let those writers tell those stories or tweet or whatever. There is no memo that says which characters are straight.
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[QUOTE=Arya;1403741]Truth and tea go together.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't really help that he low key admitted to being homophobic either.
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[QUOTE=Supernature;1403594]There's no "issue" with being straight. It's completely normalized behaviour.
That's why people who perceive a character to be sexually fluid due to subtext are defending their stance. It's erasure that straight people don't have to face since they're already the normal. Hence the [I]inherent [/I]false equivalency of asking "Do you have issues with Storm being straight?" as if it's the same as asking "Do you have issues with Strom being bi?".
So to answer your question / concern / whatever: No the fans don't have a problem with her being straight, they have a problem with a potential other case of bi-erasure. Especially right after that whole Hercules debacle.[/QUOTE]
You know, I just have to jump in here to say that was incredibly well-phrased.
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[QUOTE=RLAAMJR.;1403781]Hmmm. I think there are degrees. Im not going to talk further on this cos i might be misunderstood/misinterpreted or worst, make a mistake.[/QUOTE]
Too late. While there is huge variety of personalities and body types for gay men, it is (nonetheless) a very specific "type". Not a spectrum. There is an LGBT spectrum, but gay is gay. On a Kinsey scale gay is always at the end.
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[QUOTE=Kieran_Frost;1404640]Too late. While there is huge variety of personalities and body types for gay men, it is (nonetheless) a very specific "type". Not a spectrum. There is an LGBT spectrum, but gay is gay. On a Kinsey scale gay is always at the end.[/QUOTE]
Ah yes kinsey!! Nice Kieran.
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[QUOTE=rutog98;1405367]This is not what I've been saying on this board and you know it. I've discussed this many times on this board. What the book needed was for Storm to have a more appealing look, more dynamic villains, bigger threats, a world created uniquely for her book including friends and foes, etc. I think all of these things are important. Its hard to say what is number 1. If a writer tells good stories, but the character(s) is/are ugly, people will drop the book for artwork alone.
Say what you will, but giving her a look with more broad base appeal can only help.[/QUOTE]
Your understanding of beauty & ugliness, and their use as comic book sales tools in 2015 is so flawed but at least you're amusing! Please, tell us more.
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[FONT=Comic Sans MS]While you wait for a response, K-Kitsune... Why don't you elaborate on why Rutog98's "[B]2015[/B]" understanding of beauty & ugliness is flawed?[/FONT]
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[QUOTE=ZNOP;1405505][FONT=Comic Sans MS]While you wait for a response, K-Kitsune... Why don't you elaborate on why Rutog98's "[B]2015[/B]" understanding of beauty & ugliness is flawed?[/FONT][/QUOTE]
Lmao isn't it obvious? According to The Big Book of Rutog's Beauty Basix (first published 1958 but now out of print I think!) apparently long haired, feminine Storm is beautiful and universally appealing, and mohawk Storm is "ugly" and unappealing. Ultra-femme Storm would also apparently translate to instantly amazing sales, where young men from around the globe couldn't resist the long-haired wonder gracing the cover: so long, so shiny, what a mane! "is she taken?", "I wish she was my girlfriend", "she'd never cheat on me" they'd wonder, eating up every issue.
Also apparently appealing to basic dudes is everything even though [URL="http://www.themarysue.com/young-women-comic-demographic-growing/"]young women are the fastest growing demographic in comics/[/URL] and market research even suggests that [URL="http://www.comicsbeat.com/market-research-says-46-female-comic-fans/"]around 45% of comic fans are female[/URL] (probably an exaggerated figure but very important regarding market potential), as well as comic-con attendees under 30 (the[B] most important[/B] demographic) are a[URL="http://www.comicsbeat.com/eventbrite-research-younger-congoers-5050-male-to-female/"] 50/50 male/female split[/URL].
Spoon-feeding is hard my hand hurts!
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[QUOTE=K-Kitsune;1405546]Lmao isn't it obvious? According to The Big Book of Rutog's Beauty Basix (first published 1958 but now out of print I think!) apparently long haired, feminine Storm is beautiful and universally appealing, and mohawk Storm is "ugly" and unappealing. Ultra-femme Storm would also apparently translate to instantly amazing sales, where young men from around the globe couldn't resist the long-haired wonder gracing the cover: so long, so shiny, what a mane! "is she taken?", "I wish she was my girlfriend", "she'd never cheat on me" they'd wonder, eating up every issue.
Also apparently appealing to basic dudes is everything even though [URL="http://www.themarysue.com/young-women-comic-demographic-growing/"]young women are the fastest growing demographic in comics/[/URL] and market research even suggests that [URL="http://www.comicsbeat.com/market-research-says-46-female-comic-fans/"]around 45% of comic fans are female[/URL] (probably an exaggerated figure but very important regarding market potential), as well as comic-con attendees under 30 (the[B] most important[/B] demographic) are a[URL="http://www.comicsbeat.com/eventbrite-research-younger-congoers-5050-male-to-female/"] 50/50 male/female split[/URL].
Spoon-feeding is hard my hand hurts![/QUOTE]
Long-haired Storm is standard and has much more universal appeal than the mohawk. Mohawks are counterculteral, punk and against the mainstream especially in females. Notice how few women walk around today with mohawks. That said, other hair styles have also looked nice on her like the one she sported during the "Onslaught" era and also the hairstyle from the "Arena" arc.
That said, I have never maintained that making her feminine and beautiful with long hair was all it takes to her solo to succeed. You are totally making that up because you are wrong on your point, thus you are now reduced to lying. What Storm's book needed was many things: she needed a physical look that carried greater universal appeal, she needed bigger stories with more challenging threats, she needed stories that were fresh instead of the rehashed nostalgic feel the opening stories in her title projected, she needed friends and foes that could rival her in appeal, and she needed a cast for her book unique from the other series Marvel publishes. She doesn't need leftovers from other books for friends and foes (though occassional guest-stars and the occassional borrowing of rogues from other series is more than fine). This is what I have always recommended and you know it, yet you choose to only focus on one aspect of what I said to try and make an assertion that Storm's look is the only thing I claim needed to be changed in that title.
Edit: One more thing the book needed was better marketing by Marvel.
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Out of curiosity would anyone stop being a fan of Storm if she was bi??? If Axel confirms the goddess is str8; I'll still be a big fan, Ororo is perfection. :)
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No and that's not what I asked for either. I just wanted the "indisputable" narrative why.
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How does not being a fan of a female's character's fashion choices make you a misogynist? C'mon.
[QUOTE=Kieran_Frost;1405662]Out of curiosity would anyone stop being a fan of Storm if she was bi??? If Axel confirms the goddess is str8; I'll still be a big fan, Ororo is perfection. :)[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't.
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[QUOTE=Kieran_Frost;1405662]Out of curiosity would anyone stop being a fan of Storm if she was bi??? If Axel confirms the goddess is str8; I'll still be a big fan, Ororo is perfection. :)[/QUOTE]
I'm all for it. It might help rejuvenate her a bit.
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Storm is soooooo obviously bi, it hurts. Who reads about how intensely Storm and Yukio feel about each other and sees that as just friendship? It's a Known Thing by now that Claremont wrote a lot of barely-subtext subtext in terms of these kinds of relationships between characters he created or used a lot.
Anyways, Storm should date Yukio or Jean!
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[QUOTE=responsarbre;1405758]Storm is soooooo obviously bi, it hurts. Who reads about how intensely Storm and Yukio feel about each other and sees that as just friendship? It's a Known Thing by now that Claremont wrote a lot of barely-subtext subtext in terms of these kinds of relationships between characters he created or used a lot.
Anyways, Storm should date Yukio or Jean![/QUOTE]
Jean is a homophobe.
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[QUOTE=ExodusCloak;1405775]Jean is a homophobe.[/QUOTE]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS]It's obvious your fishing...[/FONT]
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[QUOTE=responsarbre;1405758]Storm is soooooo obviously bi, it hurts. [B]Who reads about how intensely Storm and Yukio feel about each other and sees that as just friendship?[/B] It's a Known Thing by now that Claremont wrote a lot of barely-subtext subtext in terms of these kinds of relationships between characters he created or used a lot.
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How often does Yukio show up so I can read about how in love the two are with each other?
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[QUOTE=responsarbre;1405758]Who reads about how intensely Storm and Yukio feel about each other and sees that as just friendship? [/QUOTE]
Me, because I had friendships like that. You read it bisexual because it was likely sexual to you. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's left up to interpretation.
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ALL Claremazons are bi or lesbian.
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[QUOTE=oasis1313;1412398]ALL Claremazons are bi or lesbian.[/QUOTE]
Scanz puh-leez.
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Remember the Comics Code and how nothing could get past it? Where there's a will, there's a way. And Claremont has indomitable will. I am certain there'd be Storm evidence if there were or is any.
[IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bQak8Y-Y_Gg/VXnLuWsYmzI/AAAAAAAAZhU/oG8zYU_eCk0/s1600/Excalibur%2B%252324%2B-%2BFinger%2Blicking%2Bgood.png[/IMG]
I am also curious about the Nightcrawler/Wolverine "relationship" btw. If anyone wants to start a thread.
Go ahead, mess with my innocence.
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I just think that CC loved to tease people with that kind of thing...or maybe he has a bit of S & M on the brain in some ways...
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[QUOTE=DDD;1412587]Remember the Comics Code and how nothing could get past it? Where there's a will, there's a way. And Claremont has indomitable will. I am certain there'd be Storm evidence if there were or is any.
[IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bQak8Y-Y_Gg/VXnLuWsYmzI/AAAAAAAAZhU/oG8zYU_eCk0/s1600/Excalibur%2B%252324%2B-%2BFinger%2Blicking%2Bgood.png[/IMG]
I am also curious about the Nightcrawler/Wolverine "relationship" btw. If anyone wants to start a thread.
Go ahead, mess with my innocence.[/QUOTE]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3]Did you read the entire "Cross Time Caper" arc before you came to this "[B]dicriculous[/B]" assumption? [/SIZE]
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What assumption? I had bought Excalibur from the start as it was being published. And it's too bad it wasn't cancelled with Claremont's departure btw.
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[FONT=Comic Sans MS]That's good and all that, DDD... And, you do a very good job at deflection -- But, you didn't answer the question.[/FONT]
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I don't even understand what you're asking. I did read xtime caper.
Look at the dicriculous innuendo I posted. It proves there wasn't that much subtelty.
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[FONT=Comic Sans MS]Then you know Kitty was acting OOC because she under Opul Lun Sat-Yr-9 's spell, right?[/FONT]
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[QUOTE=DDD;1412587]Remember the Comics Code and how nothing could get past it? Where there's a will, there's a way. And Claremont has indomitable will. I am certain there'd be Storm evidence if there were or is any.
[IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bQak8Y-Y_Gg/VXnLuWsYmzI/AAAAAAAAZhU/oG8zYU_eCk0/s1600/Excalibur%2B%252324%2B-%2BFinger%2Blicking%2Bgood.png[/IMG]
I am also curious about the Nightcrawler/Wolverine "relationship" btw. If anyone wants to start a thread.
Go ahead, mess with my innocence.[/QUOTE]
Poor Nightcrawler, all those years with drunk on drunk wolverine
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Callisto is bi for storm.
Storm is bi for yuiko.
Yuiko is BI.
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[QUOTE=ZNOP;1412897][FONT=Comic Sans MS]Then you know Kitty was acting OOC because she under Opul Lun Sat-Yr-9 's spell, right?[/FONT][/QUOTE]
I never said Kitty was bi.
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[QUOTE=DDD;1413114]I never said Kitty was bi.[/QUOTE]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS]Neither did I...[/FONT]
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[QUOTE=DDD;1413114]I never said Kitty was bi.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ZNOP;1414180][FONT=Comic Sans MS]Neither did I...[/FONT][/QUOTE]
Why are you guys staring at me? I only asked if Kitty is bi. :(
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[QUOTE=RLAAMJR.;1414217]Why are you guys staring at me? I only asked if Kitty is bi. :([/QUOTE]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS]Hey, I was only debunking that OOC pic of Kitty and Sat-Yr-9 before it got too far out of hand.[/FONT]