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[QUOTE=QComix;1005665]Hey guys, would you recommend buying the Teen Titans Omnibus by Geoff Johns ? I haven't read anything from that run and I'm not a big fan of Johns, but I enjoyed his JSA Omnibus Vol 1 (Vol 2 is on the way) and most of his Flash (Wally West) run. His recent stuff does nothing for me though. Based on that, do you think I'd enjoy his Teen Titans run ?[/QUOTE]
I really like his JSA, Flash, Infinite crisis, etc, but didn't enjoy his recent stories...and neither Teen Titans.
There are good bits but my overall impression was quite negative and the build quality of the book isn't too spectacular either.
Half the stuff is build ups to events that didn't pay off in the book or tie ins to events, so it didn't feel like a cohesive whole.
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What on earth is taking DC so long to put out deluxe editions of Snyder's Batman?
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[QUOTE=Johnatellodi;1005727]What on earth is taking DC so long to put out deluxe editions of Snyder's Batman?[/QUOTE]
I don't think we see any of those soon, Snyders run isn't finished and DC isn't known for putting out many Deluxe editions, especially for the New 52 . For the New 52 there is only the Superman Unchained Deluxe, with the Dial H deluxe on it's way
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do you think there is a good chance of American Vampire and Azzarello's Wonder Woman being collected in omni's at some point? i have the little HC's as i call them, which i hate as i think they are a complete rip of, reason i ask is i'm not sure if i should stop getting them and just wait for them to be collected, have collected so many of the smaller HC runs only to end up selling them for the omni's or deluxe editions and basically wasting a lot of cash in the process (i really need to stop double dipping)
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[QUOTE=QComix;1005665]Hey guys, would you recommend buying the Teen Titans Omnibus by Geoff Johns ? I haven't read anything from that run and I'm not a big fan of Johns, but I enjoyed his JSA Omnibus Vol 1 (Vol 2 is on the way) and most of his Flash (Wally West) run. His recent stuff does nothing for me though. Based on that, do you think I'd enjoy his Teen Titans run ?[/QUOTE]
I found it fantastic. Especially if you have a familiarity with the Wolfman / Perez run.
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[QUOTE=Hellboydce;1005999]do you think there is a good chance of American Vampire and Azzarello's Wonder Woman being collected in omni's at some point? i have the little HC's as i call them, which i hate as i think they are a complete rip of, reason i ask is i'm not sure if i should stop getting them and just wait for them to be collected, have collected so many of the smaller HC runs only to end up selling them for the omni's or deluxe editions and basically wasting a lot of cash in the process (i really need to stop double dipping)[/QUOTE]
I sold my AV hardcovers as some of them are out of print now (I think vol 3) and you can actually make a profit. I feel the odds are good we will get AV deluxe editions once the series is over.
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[QUOTE=pch3727;1006061]I sold my AV hardcovers as some of them are out of print now (I think vol 3) and you can actually make a profit. I feel the odds are good we will get AV deluxe editions once the series is over.[/QUOTE]
I would expect American Vampire and The Unwritten deluxes, as soon as The Invisibles and DMZ deluxes are finished. At least that is what I am hoping for. :)
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[QUOTE=Balakin;1004075]For some reason I'm more interested in Preacher. Kicking religion is more my cup of tea than kicking superheroes (don't judge me please, I don't hate religious people). Sometimes Ennis' superhero hatred can be a bit too much for my taste. That said I'm more interested in The Boys than I ever was after Hellblazer.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=victorxd1999;1005011]I think it's a tie between Preacher and Battlefields but that's just me;)[/QUOTE]
Preacher is a great read, but I think with the Boys, Ennis took a little bit of everything and really focused it. I've always felt that friendship is a major theme in Ennis' storytelling (i.e. troubled souls, hitman, preacher, boys, hellblazer, wormwood). He loves to establish friendships and show why people stick together. He really did it here with the Boys. Certainly, there was his trade over-the-top violence, but the dialogue was often very touching, whether it was between Hughie and Billy or Hughie and his girlfriend. We've all been there. Really amazing stuff. And the ending worked. It made sense and it was conclusive. Not some BS ending like Milligan's Hellblazer.
[QUOTE=ER Prest;1005667]What's funny is Preacher is a superhero story[/QUOTE]
I would agree.
[QUOTE=Johnatellodi;1005727]What on earth is taking DC so long to put out deluxe editions of Snyder's Batman?[/QUOTE]
What's taking DC so long to collect any Batman in Deluxe other than Morrison's run?
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[QUOTE=TomSlick;1006341]Preacher is a great read, but I think with the Boys, Ennis took a little bit of everything and really focused it. I've always felt that friendship is a major theme in Ennis' storytelling (i.e. troubled souls, hitman, preacher, boys, hellblazer, wormwood). He loves to establish friendships and show why people stick together. He really did it here with the Boys. Certainly, there was his trade over-the-top violence, but the dialogue was often very touching, whether it was between Hughie and Billy or Hughie and his girlfriend. We've all been there. Really amazing stuff. And the ending worked. It made sense and it was conclusive. Not some BS ending like Milligan's Hellblazer.
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It's decided now, I'm gonna read both series as soon as I can. I've read some great books in the last 2 months but Dangerous habits was probably my favorite (maybe because I thought I'm gonna hate it?)
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[QUOTE=Balakin;1006353]It's decided now, I'm gonna read both series as soon as I can. I've read some great books in the last 2 months but Dangerous habits was probably my favorite (maybe because I thought I'm gonna hate it?)[/QUOTE]
You should finish his Hellblazer run first. Although it has some ups and downs (mostly ups), it has a really balls-to-the-wall ending.
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[QUOTE=TomSlick;1006895]You should finish his Hellblazer run first. Although it has some ups and downs (mostly ups), it has a really balls-to-the-wall ending.[/QUOTE]
I wanted to but I just won all the Boys trades on ebay :D
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[QUOTE=Balakin;1005691]I really like his JSA, Flash, Infinite crisis, etc, but didn't enjoy his recent stories...and neither Teen Titans.
There are good bits but my overall impression was quite negative and the build quality of the book isn't too spectacular either.
Half the stuff is build ups to events that didn't pay off in the book or tie ins to events, so it didn't feel like a cohesive whole.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=The_Dark_Knight;1006029]I found it fantastic. Especially if you have a familiarity with the Wolfman / Perez run.[/QUOTE]
Thanks guys for your input! I'm still unsure about buying it though, especially seeing your divergent opinions on the book lol (Anyone else willing to tip the scale on that one ? :p)
Also, is the binding of that omnibus similar to JSA Vol 1 and Doom Patrol ?
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I already own the Absolute edition of New Frontier but now with the deluxe edition out, I'm confused. Should I sell my Absolute and get the deluxe or just stick with what I have, especially now that the Absolute is OOP?
Plus, managed to snag a copy of Absolute Top 10 from my LCS for $40 (they were having a massive sale)...
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[QUOTE=Hellboydce;1005999]do you think there is a good chance of American Vampire and [B]Azzarello's Wonder Woman being collected in omni's[/B] at some point? i have the little HC's as i call them, which i hate as i think they are a complete rip of, reason i ask is i'm not sure if i should stop getting them and just wait for them to be collected, have collected so many of the smaller HC runs only to end up selling them for the omni's or deluxe editions and basically wasting a lot of cash in the process (i really need to stop double dipping)[/QUOTE]
This is all I want from DC at this point. That run was sensational and easily the best thing to come out of the new 52 imo. American Vampire deluxes are inevitable.
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[QUOTE=Galfiore;1008051]I already own the Absolute edition of New Frontier but now with the deluxe edition out, I'm confused. Should I sell my Absolute and get the deluxe or just stick with what I have, especially now that the Absolute is OOP?[/QUOTE]
I don't see what you're confused about.
Some people find Absolute editions too large and unwieldy. Such people might welcome downsizing to a Deluxe edition.
Other people see Absolutes as the top of the line format for DC and would hold onto their Absolute, not caring there's a Deluxe out there.
Some people might not love the story that much, so they'd sell the OOP Absolute edition (assuming it's commanding any high prices right now) and put the money toward the Deluxe edition and/or other books.
Other people would want to hang on to what might be considered an OOP/hard to find book now that it is OOP.
It all depends what kind of person you are. Once you figure that out, you'll know what to do.
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What is it with DCs QC team nowadays? I recently bought the Absolute Batman Incorporated, just to send them back again 8 times to get a normal functioning and looking book. I had long 10cm scratches on the hardcover, dents on the hardcover, bumps on the slipcase, and worst of all on 4 of the books I had glued pages, lots of them with the added folded pages in one of them. It's like in the 90s again, when they had glue problems.
After my comparable Absolute Blackest Night fiasco, I thought, this would have been a one timer, an exception so to speak. But it seems this is somewhat of a continuing problem. This gets really frustrating.
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[QUOTE=QComix;1007732]Thanks guys for your input! I'm still unsure about buying it though, especially seeing your divergent opinions on the book lol (Anyone else willing to tip the scale on that one ? :p)
Also, is the binding of that omnibus similar to JSA Vol 1 and Doom Patrol ?[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say it's awful but it's not as cohesive as other omnis. I hate when a book feels disjointed because of events that are not included in that edition. There is an issue of Infinite crisis which they put into the omni, and that's nice, but in the first third they heavily hint clues about the return of a major character, who later appears for a few pages and we never see him/her (sorry, don't want to spoil it) again. He/she returned in another title and just popped in for a few pages in the TT stories. I felt really cheated.
Also I hated the Beastboy/Changeling mini (or whatever he is called here, I call him Beastboy because of the cartoon). Felt like a waste of space, instead I would loved to read the important issues from other books.
But there were really good bits as well, I loved the whole Superboy plot with the Outsiders crossover. That was probably my favourite part.
But still, my favourite Superboy story is from Adventure comics, also by Johns, art by the ridiculously talented Francis Manapul. Now that would have been a nice addition instead of the Beastboy story.
The binding is maybe worse than JSA or Doom patrol, but definitely not better.
I would rather recommend the 52 omnibus if you don't already own it. Of course it's an aftermath to Infinite crisis and that omni is going for ridiculous prices, but you can buy the IC story and the necessary tie ins (Omac project, villains united) in tpb form for very cheap on the secondary market. While I don't love Identity crisis, that era, from Idintity crisis to 52 is a very well coordinated and really enjoyable period IMHO.
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[QUOTE=Hellboydce;1005999]do you think there is a good chance of American Vampire and Azzarello's Wonder Woman being collected in omni's at some point? i have the little HC's as i call them, which i hate as i think they are a complete rip of, reason i ask is i'm not sure if i should stop getting them and just wait for them to be collected, have collected so many of the smaller HC runs only to end up selling them for the omni's or deluxe editions and basically wasting a lot of cash in the process (i really need to stop double dipping)[/QUOTE]
Haha this is exactly my situation, I've got the 7 HCs of American Vampire and 5 of Wonder Woman because they're great series and I'm really not sure DC will put those books out in an oversized HC. Having read through the Wonder Woman HCs recently, they're actually pretty average books and I would rather stop getting them to wait for that Omnibus. First world problems.
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[QUOTE=Galfiore;1008051]I already own the Absolute edition of New Frontier but now with the deluxe edition out, I'm confused. Should I sell my Absolute and get the deluxe or just stick with what I have, especially now that the Absolute is OOP?
Plus, managed to snag a copy of Absolute Top 10 from my LCS for $40 (they were having a massive sale)...[/QUOTE]
what kodave said. If you like the story and the format, I wouldn't sell it. Maybe if you are short on money and want to buy more comics.
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[QUOTE=NZ_InFerno;1008287]Haha this is exactly my situation, I've got the 7 HCs of American Vampire and 5 of Wonder Woman because they're great series and I'm really not sure DC will put those books out in an oversized HC. Having read through the Wonder Woman HCs recently, they're actually pretty average books and I would rather stop getting them to wait for that Omnibus. First world problems.[/QUOTE]
yeah, think i may just stop collecting but not sell yet, if they don't release them as oversized HC's i can always pick up the missing books later, although i think Azzarello's run on WW is coming to an end soon and to be honest i have always been a DC fan from the age of about 13 (a long time ago now) and it has probably been said before but i really can't take to this new 52 stuff, WW is the only current series i collect and i think i only like that because it doesn't feel like it's connected with anything else.
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[QUOTE=Hellboydce;1008324]yeah, think i may just stop collecting but not sell yet, if they don't release them as oversized HC's i can always pick up the missing books later, although i think Azzarello's run on WW is coming to an end soon and to be honest i have always been a DC fan from the age of about 13 (a long time ago now) and it has probably been said before but i really can't take to this new 52 stuff, WW is the only current series i collect and i think i only like that because it doesn't feel like it's connected with anything else.[/QUOTE]
it ended months ago.
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[QUOTE=Balakin;1008332]it ended months ago.[/QUOTE]
how many more HC's then? as i don't collect the floppies
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[QUOTE=Hellboydce;1008549]how many more HC's then? as i don't collect the floppies[/QUOTE]
There will be 6 HC in total to complete the run. The last one is "Bones" and will come out in April.
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[QUOTE=Suriel;1008127]What is it with DCs QC team nowadays? I recently bought the Absolute Batman Incorporated, just to send them back again 8 times to get a normal functioning and looking book. I had long 10cm scratches on the hardcover, dents on the hardcover, bumps on the slipcase, and worst of all on 4 of the books I had glued pages, lots of them with the added folded pages in one of them. It's like in the 90s again, when they had glue problems.
After my comparable Absolute Blackest Night fiasco, I thought, this would have been a one timer, an exception so to speak. But it seems this is somewhat of a continuing problem. This gets really frustrating.[/QUOTE]
I have a lot of Absolutes and not one problem.
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[QUOTE=Balakin;1008281]I wouldn't say it's awful but it's not as cohesive as other omnis. I hate when a book feels disjointed because of events that are not included in that edition. There is an issue of Infinite crisis which they put into the omni, and that's nice, but in the first third they heavily hint clues about the return of a major character, who later appears for a few pages and we never see him/her (sorry, don't want to spoil it) again. He/she returned in another title and just popped in for a few pages in the TT stories. I felt really cheated.
Also I hated the Beastboy/Changeling mini (or whatever he is called here, I call him Beastboy because of the cartoon). Felt like a waste of space, instead I would loved to read the important issues from other books.
But there were really good bits as well, I loved the whole Superboy plot with the Outsiders crossover. That was probably my favourite part.
But still, my favourite Superboy story is from Adventure comics, also by Johns, art by the ridiculously talented Francis Manapul. Now that would have been a nice addition instead of the Beastboy story.
The binding is maybe worse than JSA or Doom patrol, but definitely not better.
I would rather recommend the 52 omnibus if you don't already own it. Of course it's an aftermath to Infinite crisis and that omni is going for ridiculous prices, but you can buy the IC story and the necessary tie ins (Omac project, villains united) in tpb form for very cheap on the secondary market. While I don't love Identity crisis, that era, from Idintity crisis to 52 is a very well coordinated and really enjoyable period IMHO.[/QUOTE]
I get what you mean regarding Teen Titans. I'll mull over it.
Coincidentally I was also looking at the 52 omnibus, since I love Morrison, Waid and Rucka! I don't have much interest in reading Infinite Crisis though. Do you think I would be missing much if I only read 52 without Infinite Crisis ?
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[QUOTE=QComix;1008781]Do you think I would be missing much if I only read 52 without Infinite Crisis ?[/QUOTE]
52 can be read independently of Infinite Crisis - all you need to know is that the big three heroes took a year off.
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[QUOTE=QComix;1008781]I get what you mean regarding Teen Titans. I'll mull over it.
Coincidentally I was also looking at the 52 omnibus, since I love Morrison, Waid and Rucka! I don't have much interest in reading Infinite Crisis though. Do you think I would be missing much if I only read 52 without Infinite Crisis ?[/QUOTE]
I've only read it once, right after IC but it was years ago, so can't tell. Why aren't you interested in IC?
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[QUOTE=Yggdrasil;1008709]There will be 6 HC in total to complete the run. The last one is "Bones" and will come out in April.[/QUOTE]
And if you had to guess, how many more american vampires before that finishes?
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[QUOTE=CP1234;1008841]52 can be read independently of Infinite Crisis - all you need to know is that the big three heroes took a year off.[/QUOTE]
Cool, thanks :)
[QUOTE=Balakin;1008885]I've only read it once, right after IC but it was years ago, so can't tell. Why aren't you interested in IC?[/QUOTE]
Well, opinions and reviews I found about that story diverged greatly (at least when I Googled it last year). And I also have a lot of books ahead of it on my wish list, from creators I like more than Johns. I might get the TPB one day, but chances are very high I'd buy the 52 omnibus way sooner!
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[QUOTE=pud333;1008713]I have a lot of Absolutes and not one problem.[/QUOTE]
I have all of them except Absolute Haunted Knight (still on my list)... And for the most part it worked fine. The recent buys showed a trend of bad QC, at least the ones I got.
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[QUOTE=Hellboydce;1008967]And if you had to guess, how many more american vampires before that finishes?[/QUOTE]
It could be awhile. They just started the "second phase" of the story last year. I think Scott Snyder mentioned he expects there to be around sixty to seventy issues total.
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haven't seen this mentioned here (if it was, just delete it please)
[QUOTE]A Few Notes about the upcoming ORION OMNIBUS
I received comp copies of the Orion Omnibus from DC Comics late yesterday afternoon. I believe it’s due out in a few weeks. The physical package is nicely done, but I have decided to express publicly, in a way I rarely do, that I am very disappointed in the book.
As some of you may remember, many of the issues of my run on the title consisted of a lead story and a short backup story. I got a lot of my friends, including Dave Gibbons, Frank Miller, Howard Chaykin, Jim Lee, Eddie Campbell and others to draw the back ups. I wrote most of the twelve stories. Generally, the backup stories were related in some way to the lead story. Sometimes, it was matter of atmosphere. Sometimes it was some sort of continuation of thematic material from the lead story. In the case of the Arthur Adams drawn story in Orion 10, there was a direct connection to the lead story, focusing on and specifically answering some of the questions I’d posed there.
My only connection to the Omnibus was early on. I learned of the upcoming collection like most other folks, by catching the announcement at last year’s San Diego ComicCon. I had some brief contact with DC afterwards about the Omnibus, and supplied a few high res scans for drawings as requested. I also drew a new cover for the volume. And that was it. I will say that in the case of other reprints elsewhere, I have generally been kept in the loop more, often to the extent of seeing pdfs of the entire volume and collaborating on the final form of the book before it heads off to press.
Nevertheless, I was thrilled Monday afternoon when I received a box of complimentary copies in the mail from DC. As I said above, it’s a very nice package.
However, I was dismayed when I began looking through the book and discovered that all of the backup stories for the issues, although included in the volume, have been separated from their lead stories and stripped of their context by putting them in the back of the Omnibus, in a separate section behind all the lead stories. And they aren’t entirely in order in that section either.
To say I was dismayed at these discoveries is probably too gentle a word, but what’s the point of going further? What’s done is done. It seems unlikely that there will be future collections of the same material. I feel it’s some of my best work, and I am very unhappy that the stories in this collection are never going to be read in the correct order by anyone except perhaps by extremely die hard fans of the work, or by people who simply go back and buy the original back issues.
The one bright note is that Dan Didio told me, after I spoke to him about the matter this afternoon, that if the book is reissued in paperback at some point down the road, he would do everything he could to see that all of the stories are printed in the correct order in that edition.
That would be nice.
Walter Simonson
March 10, 2015[/QUOTE]
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Walt Simonson has actually posted here in the past, mostly before the reboot. He seemed like a really good guy, and gave out info about a couple of his books that were being released and was pretty positive about them.
That's pretty disappointing to hear about on multiple levels, that he's not happy with the contents, that he was barely consulted with about the book and, because I've got it on preorder and have never read it before, that he considers it his best work.
How rucking hard is it DC?
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[QUOTE=Balakin;1009511]haven't seen this mentioned here (if it was, just delete is please)[/QUOTE]
This is pretty disappointing, but hopefully someone can just post the preferred reading order and we can flip to the back of the omnibus and read the backups in line with those twelve issues.
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That's annoying. Still, doesn't really make the book any less worth buying.
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[QUOTE=NZ_InFerno;1008287]Haha this is exactly my situation, I've got the 7 HCs of American Vampire and 5 of Wonder Woman because they're great series and I'm really not sure DC will put those books out in an oversized HC. Having read through the Wonder Woman HCs recently, they're actually pretty average books and I would rather stop getting them to wait for that Omnibus. First world problems.[/QUOTE]
I think Azz and Chiang have talked about their run in the terms of an omnibus treatment, so it wouldn't surprise me if there where one down the road.
Myself, I'm hoping WW will get collected as 3 dlx books.
Bk 1 WW#1-12.
Bk 2 WW#0-23.
Bk 3 WW#Firstborn, 24-35, Secret origins.
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I've never read the Orion issues and was using the collection of said material in an Omnibus format + it being Simonson, to bite the bullet and do a blind buy. His Thor alone would convince me to do so, it's just Orion has never been a character I gravitated toward but was/am willing to sample it in this format.
Knowing that the backup stories were meant to be thematically/atmospherically related as a tangential accompaniment to each issue's main story and are now separated is discouraging. I wouldn't have known this any other way I'd imagine unless a poster to the board would elude to it. I'm still likely to get the Omnibus and it's nice that Didio gave lip service to having the contents rearranged correctly for any possible future printing...but that's for a TPB. I've gotten out of that market so I either get this Omni or don't read Simonson Orion at all I suppose.
[B]Balakin[/B] where did Mr.Simonson post these comments at anyway? A link is always helpful but thanks for posting it all the same.
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[QUOTE=Balakin;1009511]haven't seen this mentioned here (if it was, just delete is please)[/QUOTE]
That sucks, but I would still say that omnibus is worth getting since it still holds all the material.
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[QUOTE=Captain Craig;1010154]I've never read the Orion issues and was using the collection of said material in an Omnibus format + it being Simonson, to bite the bullet and do a blind buy. His Thor alone would convince me to do so, it's just Orion has never been a character I gravitated toward but was/am willing to sample it in this format.
Knowing that the backup stories were meant to be thematically/atmospherically related as a tangential accompaniment to each issue's main story and are now separated is discouraging. I wouldn't have known this any other way I'd imagine unless a poster to the board would elude to it. I'm still likely to get the Omnibus and it's nice that Didio gave lip service to having the contents rearranged correctly for any possible future printing...but that's for a TPB. I've gotten out of that market so I either get this Omni or don't read Simonson Orion at all I suppose.
[B]Balakin[/B] where did Mr.Simonson post these comments at anyway? A link is always helpful but thanks for posting it all the same.[/QUOTE]
it's from his facebook page:
[url]https://www.facebook.com/waltsimonson[/url]
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[QUOTE=FlashingSabre;1009979]That's annoying. Still, doesn't really make the book any less worth buying.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, agreed.
It is what it is. Granted I'd like it in an easy-to-read order, but at the end of the day, I think I'm smart enough to figure out the order. This isn't the first time DC or Marvel has collected an omnibus like it.
In the end, though, it's too bad no one sought further input from him. Hey, they don't have to do what he says, but picking up a freakin' phone isn't that difficult.