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[QUOTE=Dalak;3242090]So much effort is going into making Franken out to be the worst person in congress when the photographer of the 'proof' defends him in this case. I'd say it makes me wonder why, but as all the usual suspects are involved I'll sit back and hopefully watch them make fools of themselves.[/QUOTE]
Once that photographer has a scenario where making a rape joke isn't much of a biggie, let me know.
Otherwise, you've still got an instance the photographer wasn't there for and a history isn't exactly flawless.
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[QUOTE=numberthirty;3242092]Once that photographer has a scenario where making a rape joke isn't much of a biggie, let me know.
Otherwise, you've still got an instance the photographer wasn't there for and a history isn't exactly flawless.[/QUOTE]
So making a single rape joke is worth black-balling someone IYO. Are you going to try and truthfully tell us that you've never made or laughed at a rape joke in your entire life? Not even when you were a stupid teenager?
Faux-moral outrage isn't becoming to anyone.
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[QUOTE=Dalak;3242098]So making a single rape joke is worth black-balling someone IYO. Are you going to try and truthfully tell us that you've never made or laughed at a rape joke in your entire life? Not even when you were a stupid teenager?
Faux-moral outrage isn't becoming to anyone.[/QUOTE]
Think about how old Franken was at the time he pitched that skit.
Once you've done that, take a minute to think about that he was going to potentially get a check to do that.
Once you done each of those things, take a minute to consider if it is really comparable to a kid laughing at a rape joke as a teenager.
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[QUOTE=numberthirty;3242105]Think about how old Franken was at the time he pitched that skit.
Once you've done that, take a minute to think about that he was going to potentially get a check to do that.
Once you done each of those things, take a minute to consider if it is really comparable to a kid laughing at a rape joke as a teenager.[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;fwMukKqx-Os]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwMukKqx-Os[/video]
So you'd have had George Carlin dropped by HBO and destroyed over this, good to know. At the same time you are fine with blaming Al for a rape joke but letting Bernie off for his old writings about sex, and that's beyond hypocritical on its own.
E: Carlin [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB9hnK3-5u8"]put it in his book too[/URL]. How many rape jokes does it take to ruin someone's life, when actual kiddy diddling isn't necessarily a barrier for being elected?
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As for it being one joke...
[video=youtube;fJOAGILeiAY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJOAGILeiAY[/video]
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As for "Destroyed"...
I don't know about that. That said, things are changing. Things you used to be able to get away with might cost you a career going forward. If this guy's political career winds up a casualty of that, that seems totally acceptable to me.
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[QUOTE=numberthirty;3242115]As for "Destroyed"...
I don't know about that. That said, things are changing. Things you used to be able to get away with might cost you a career going forward. If this guy's political career winds up a casualty of that, that seems totally acceptable to me.[/QUOTE]
You are fine with ripping into Al here over rape that he's merely mentioned, [URL="https://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-essay/"]but not Bernie[/URL]. And thus why I laugh at your faux-moral-outrage.
So, back to a serious question that you avoided earlier:[B] How many rape jokes have you laughed at or made in your life?[/B] That counts any 'Drop the Soap' jokes or other references to prison rape as well.
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[QUOTE=Dalak;3242121]So, back to a serious question that you avoided earlier:[B] How many rape jokes have you laughed at or made in your life?[/B] That counts any 'Drop the Soap' jokes or other references to prison rape as well.[/QUOTE]
Without telling you too much about me, that particular act hits really close to home in an incredibly serious way. That said, I don't know that I ever have. It's just not funny to me.
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As for Sanders...
If the folks he is accountable to decide that things having changed means that he won't have a political career in the near future, that's also totally acceptable.
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[QUOTE=numberthirty;3242132]As for Sanders...
If the folks he is accountable to decide that things having changed means that he won't have a political career in the near future, that's also totally acceptable.[/QUOTE]
We both voted for him, and this was brought up at the time yet you continued to push for his candidacy. If a year &1/2 has really changed things so much that the act which hits so close to you now didn't back then, I'm really not sure what to say. No jokes here or teasing, just confusion and a bit of resigned depression.
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[url]https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/16/1716278/-Did-Mueller-Just-Flip-The-Man-Who-Could-Bring-Down-Flynn-And-Thereby-Bring-Down-Trump[/url]
[QUOTE]
Gold trader Reza Zarrab was secretly removed from prison earlier this month and a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York, Nick Blase, says, “All I can tell you is that he is in federal custody.”* According to Financial Times* Zarrab’s confessions “exposed a global scheme that involved transferring vast quantities of gold to Iran, allegedly bypassing US sanctions imposed on the country’s banking system. Turkish investigators accused him of paying large bribes to cabinet ministers close to Mr Erdogan to expedite the gold shipments.”* Now he’s nowhere to be found and everybody is wondering about him. They’re wondering in particular about his upcoming testimony in regards to another person who allegedly is in the business of large bribes, in his case accepting them, in order to get the work of the Turkish government done, none other than Mike Flynn[/QUOTE]
Interesting stuff.
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[QUOTE=Dalak;3242145]We both voted for him, and this was brought up at the time yet you continued to push for his candidacy. If a year &1/2 has really changed things so much that the act which hits so close to you now didn't back then, I'm really not sure what to say. No jokes here or teasing, just confusion and a bit of resigned depression.[/QUOTE]
If you've actually read through what Sanders wrote there, it is potentially more complicated than "Guy lays out a rape scenario." I honestly don't doubt that somewhere out there, the folks he described could exist. There is also some stuff that is on the fence.
If the folks he has to answer to decide that "Factoring That It Could Be More Complicated, It Is Still Unacceptable Based On What Has Happened Since Last Fall.", I believe that is completely fine. Things are bound to change, and certain behavior might slip into no longer being acceptable as it does.
That said, there is no "This Is Potentially More Complicated Than This..." in the sketch Franken pitched. It was completely unacceptable at the time, and remains so now.
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In addition to that, I'd suggest taking a second to actually consider what Carlin might have been saying in that joke you mentioned.
That he essentially says "The only scenario where rape is a laughing matter is if something we all know does not exist is raping something else we know does not exist." is telling.
To me, he is saying a lot about the just how acceptable the sketch that Franken pitched is.
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[QUOTE=numberthirty;3242153]That said, there is no "This Is Potentially More Complicated Than This..." in the sketch Franken pitched. It was completely unacceptable at the time, and remains so now.[/QUOTE]
Have you watched other Celebrity Roasts? William Shatner's is one of my faves, and if you haven't watched any there is something 'potentially more complicated' involved.
The thing about Roasts is that 'the joke' is to be as blatantly offensive and mean as you can be, and Franken's jokes here pale in comparison to practically any of Gilbert Gottfried's additions to Roast history. So you are claiming that being offensive AT A ROAST disqualifies Franken from public office yet that Sanders only faces 'the folks he has to answer to'. Well we were both some of those folks for Sanders but neither of us are 'folks he has to answer to' for Franken by your standards here, so I don't support the double standard of calling for one to be drummed out and not the other. TBH Sanders writings wasn't what turned me off of him here so I don't think it merits either of them being shit on over it, but I'm not the one to hypocritically vilify one and brush off the other.
Note: Donald Trump was Roasted too, and he said really nasty things but got far worse than he dished out. Maybe you should see some of the jokes made about Franken during that Roast for context, since no one comes out clean from one of these things.
E:[QUOTE=numberthirty;3242156]In addition to that, I'd suggest taking a second to actually consider what Carlin might have been saying in that joke you mentioned.
[B]That he essentially says "The only scenario where rape is a laughing matter is if something we all know does not exist is raping something else we know does not exist." is telling.[/B]
To me, he is saying a lot about the just how acceptable the sketch that Franken pitched is.[/QUOTE]
Telling in that you didn't hear the joke about Eskimo rapists, which obviously do exist. Carlin doesn't need to be 'interpreted' or 'considered' - He was very clear with everything he wanted to say, mean, convey, and joke about.
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[QUOTE=Dalak;3242160]So you are claiming that being offensive AT A ROAST disqualifies Franken from public office [/QUOTE]
Luckily, that is not what I am doing.
It is the specific way he chose to, as a part of a pattern of humor he apparently believes is funny, that is the issue. Which is before you even factor in what might have happened during the audition Ms. Tweeden mentioned.