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The action is fine. I mean, it should have action, that's the name of the book. But you gotta move the story along at the same time and thus far Jurgens has done a very poor job with that. Each of the three issues have just rehashed the exact same course of events with no progress to speak of. Clark giving a hint of his origin, and Wonder Woman showing up, will be the first prorgress the actual story has made and we're going into issue #4.
This is a post made not only for this thread, but also concerning discussions going on in other threads, for example:
[url]http://community.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?81870-The-Eradicator-s-Plan-Revealed-With-Deadly-Results-In-quot-Superman-quot-3/page4[/url]
Give us SM/WW fans a book with 52 Clark and Diana set on Earth 2 and see how it sells.
I know that talking about an 'unmerged' 52 Diana is ridiculous, as Rucka is a man on a mission, but bear with me.
I don't know the status of Earth 2, if it's been reset after Rebirth or if it's still a post multi-apocalypses wasteland. I also don't know the plans for JSA, if they'll be the modernized 52 ones, the classic old guard or if they'll even be on Earth-2.
It doesn't really matter, what's important is to have Clark and Diana over there. They can even have to live secretly like Lois and Clark did in the 52, and I admit that's probably one of the reasons for the book's low sales.
And the most 2 important things: Controlled by the Wonder Woman editorial and written by someone who is a [b]fan[/b] of Clark and Diana together. Soule and Tomasi were professionals. I imagine what a book written by someone with the same sympathy for the pairing like it seems there is for Lois and Clark or BM/WW would have been like.
I'm sure it would sell much better than Lois and Clark; if written by a fan maybe even amongst the top 10, and even not-fans of the pairing probably agree with this.
[QUOTE=dumbduck;2191052]I'm sure it would sell much better than Lois and Clark; if written by a fan maybe even amongst the top 10, and even not-fans of the pairing probably agree with this.[/QUOTE]
It might sell more than Lois & Clark because it would be casting a wider net, Superman fans and Wonder Woman fans, but unless it had a superstar team it wouldn't make the top ten regularly.
The in-continuity Superman/Wonder Woman book only had issue #1 make the top ten.
There's nothing to suggest that a out of continuity Superman/Wonder Woman book would regularly make the 10 just on the basis of the couple and it written by someone that liked the pairing.
You already know this but, the last Superman/Wonder Woman book, after almost 1 year of dumping on the pair, doom and gloom solicits, a clearly schizophrenic annual, with many writers already pretty much openly offending the fandom, especially after BvS(Both from May 2016):
63 Superman Wonder Woman 29 $3.99 DC 28,569
The last Lois and Clark, after it was clear it's the new status quo:
104 Superman Lois and Clark 8 $3.99 DC 18,284
Top 10 maybe too much, I agree. Without a superstar team, but a *fan* of the pairing, I guesstimate the book stabilizing at above 50000. With a superstar team, no idea.
50, 000 is too much. Superman/Wonder Woman was doing less than 50, 000 by issue #4.
Something closer to 30, 000 would be the highest to expect as to where such a book would stabilize.
[QUOTE=Ina heshima kwa Jumuia kama ka;2191170]50, 000 is too much. Superman/Wonder Woman was doing less than 50, 000 by issue #4.
Something closer to 30, 000 would be the highest to expect as to where such a book would stabilize.[/QUOTE]
That's only myself, but I felt a 'coldness', a distance in the writing back then. I wish I had saved my posts before the forum reboot. It wasn't only me, a few other people felt that too. That's what I mean when I say that Soule and Tomasi were professionals. But you are right, I speak as a fan. I still think it would sit around 50000 for less or for more.
The book bounced around 45000 - 50000 all through 2014, even with 'doomed' being very strongly panned, going higher with events:
16 Superman Wonder Woman Futures End 1 $3.99 DC 68,271
*Doomed was very strongly criticized by Wonder Woman fans, when we all expected an arc set in Diana's world, we got a crossover event where she was a guest in her own book.
Soule's last issue:
49 Superman Wonder Woman 12 $3.99 DC 47,885
It was only after Tomasi took over, with a polemic first issue (rewriting their first meeting, doubling down on John's angry warrior woman) that the title dropped fast below 40000.
Superman/Wonder Woman was a in-continuity book, which means it's more likely to sell better than an out of continuity title unless the latter had an all-star team.
That's why anything close to 50, 000 is highly unlikely for a Superman/Wonder Woman book that takes place out of continuity.
[B]Day 4 for Superman #3[/B]
Remains at number 3.
Minimum sales at 3964.
[B]Day 11 for Action Comics #959[/B]
Drops to number 99.
Minimum sales at 10688.
[B]Day 11 for New Super-Man #1[/B]
Drops to number 134.
Minimum sales at 10577
[B]Day 19 for Superman #2[/B]
Drops to number 126.
Minimum sales at 18012.
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Drops to number 498.
Minimum sales at 28867.
[B]Day 40 for Superman #1[/B]
Drops to number 276.
Minimum sales at 36456.
[B]Day 46 for Action Comics #957[/B]
Drops to 604.
Minimum sales at 47749.
[B]Day 53 for Superman Rebirth #1[/B]
Superman Rebirth #1 moves up to number 248.
Minimum sales at 49641
So far the worst performing Rebirth book that has been out for a while is Aquaman, while from more recent releases it's New Super-Man.
Slightly unrelated, but I noticed that issues of American Alien were still on the best sellers list. Most of them are towards the end and on their way out, but for issues that have been out for months now, it took me by surprise.
[QUOTE=Ina heshima kwa Jumuia kama ka;2191407]Superman/Wonder Woman was a in-continuity book, which means it's more likely to sell better than an out of continuity title unless the latter had an all-star team.
That's why anything close to 50, 000 is highly unlikely for a Superman/Wonder Woman book that takes place out of continuity.[/QUOTE]
It depends on what 'in-continuity' we are talking about. In one extreme, if they are in the ultradark post apocaliptic E2 and are not allowed to comunicate with the cast, I admit I can't see many SM/WW fans being interested. If DC resets E2 to a more classic setting with a few books launched and they become part of the JSA, I'd bet it would have comparable sales to if they were on the 'main' Earth.
If they are put in the same situation as Lois and Clark, the main earth, but having to live in secret... yeah, I don't know what would happen. They would certainly sell more than L&C, but I don't think they'd be in the 50000 range, more like the 30000. (obs: I know that this last scenario is the most ridiculous of all, this is just an exercise in wishful thinking.)
Also, I've been speaking a lot on behalf of SM/WW fans. I think that they would be interested, but you never know.
edit: If they are out-of continuity, having fun/crazy adventures through space-time-dimensions, visiting E1 and E2 from time to time... I can see it selling very well. Being 'in secret' in the main earth would liberate them for this as well. It was all we talked about when we saw this variant:
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[B]Day 5 for Superman #3[/B]
Remains at number 3.
Minimum sales at 4995.
[B]Day 12 for Action Comics #959[/B]
Drops to number 116.
Minimum sales at 11565.
[B]Day 12 for New Super-Man #1[/B]
Drops to number 203.
Minimum sales at 11367
[B]Day 20 for Superman #2[/B]
Drops to number 131.
Minimum sales at 18874.
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Drops to number 525.
Minimum sales at 29335.
[B]Day 41 for Superman #1[/B]
Drops to number 288.
Minimum sales at 37161.
[B]Day 47 for Action Comics #957[/B]
Drops to 683.
Minimum sales at 48059.
[B]Day 54 for Superman Rebirth #1[/B]
Superman Rebirth #1 drops to number 262.
Minimum sales at 50372
[B]Day 6 for Superman #3[/B]
Remains at number 3.
Minimum sales at 5986.
[B]Day 13 for Action Comics #959[/B]
Drops to number 138.
Minimum sales at 12420.
[B]Day 13 for New Super-Man #1[/B]
Drops to number 215.
Minimum sales at 12145
[B]Day 21 for Superman #2[/B]
Moves up to number 116.
Minimum sales at 19751.
[B]Day 35 for Action Comics #958[/B]
Drops to number 601.
Minimum sales at 29727.
[B]Day 42 for Superman #1[/B]
Moves up to number 258.
Minimum sales at 37896.
[B]Day 48 for Action Comics #957[/B]
Moves up to 621.
Minimum sales at 48431.
[B]Day 55 for Superman Rebirth #1[/B]
Superman Rebirth #1 moves up to number 239.
Minimum sales at 51126
[B]Day 1 for Action Comics #960[/B]
Starts at number 6.
Minimum sales at 987
[B]Day 7 for Superman #3[/B]
Drops to number 21.
Minimum sales at 6958.
[B]Day 14 for Action Comics #959[/B]
Drops to number 145.
Minimum sales at 13268
[B]Day 14 for New Super-Man #1[/B]
Drops to number 318.
Minimum sales at 12820
[B]Day 22 for Superman #2[/B]
Drops to to number 146.
Minimum sales at 20598.
[B]Day 36 for Action Comics #958[/B]
Moves up to number 499.
Minimum sales at 30221.
[B]Day 43 for Superman #1[/B]
Drops to to number 260.
Minimum sales at 38629.
[B]Day 49 for Action Comics #957[/B]
Moves up to 516.
Minimum sales at 48908.
[B]Day 56 for Superman Rebirth #1[/B]
Superman Rebirth #1 drops to number 252.
Minimum sales at 51867
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Action Comics may perform like Pre-Rebirth Action Comics from week 2 onward, but its week 1 performance is still great and better than Pre-Rebirth Action Comics. It outsells some new Rebirth issues, Nightwing, Batgirl, Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps, and Red Hood and the Outlaws. We can also tell it's doing very well because it's among DC's releases that are outselling big Marvel sellers like Ms. Marvel, Mighty Thor, and Black Panther.
Superman #3 has a good drop and is still on page 1.
DC's best seller at the start of the new week is Titans #1. Detective Comics continues selling more than Wonder Woman as it did the last time they both had new releases, and Flash is now charting below Wonder Woman.
[B]Day 2 for Action Comics #960[/B]
Drops to number 7.
Minimum sales at 1973
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Drops to number 29.
Minimum sales at 7922.
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Moves up to number 134.
Minimum sales at 14127
[B]Day 15 for New Super-Man #1[/B]
Drops to number 344.
Minimum sales at 13469
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Moves up to to number 140.
Minimum sales at 21451.
[B]Day 37 for Action Comics #958[/B]
Moves up to number 436.
Minimum sales at 30778.
[B]Day 44 for Superman #1[/B]
Moves up to to number 244.
Minimum sales at 39378.
[B]Day 50 for Action Comics #957[/B]
Moves up to 472.
Minimum sales at 49429.
[B]Day 58 for Superman Rebirth #1[/B]
Superman Rebirth #1 moves up to number 224.
Minimum sales at 52636
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Nightwing and Action Comics swap places.
I'd like to think the only reason for the drop for Action 960 is the whole thing with Titans coming back and given the huge fan base that has. Still both books are staying in the top ten! And DC books haven't been there in a long time.